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chmercer · 07-27-2005, 10:03 PM

been searching around, tons of info turning up, but i still had a few questions; i want to make sure i order everything i need so i dont end up with a halfway installed setup.

ive found that the KA oil filter uses a 3/4 -16 thread, and should be able to use this type of filter relocation block

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-...temZ7987558418

i planned to follow that up with one of these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HD-Du...temZ7975354107

then into somthing like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Tru-C...spagenameZWDVW

then back into the motor.

hose i would get from autozone or whatever.

these prices kindof suck, need to shop around more, but i only searched for items with buy it now so i could post an actual price. i figure this way i can relocate my filter to an easier to reach place, add another filter, add a cooler, and pump up my oil capacity, for roughly 150$ shipped (or less after shopping around).

i know barbed fittings and worm gear clamps arent the best but i figure a lot of guys have to use this stuff and i havent read much about catastrophic failure. i did read one thing about a guy not getting a good seal on one of the hoses and getting some air bubbles into the oil and somehow fucking somthing up, but that only turned up once.

sticking with the 1/2" fittings on everything will simplify stuff if i decide to switch to stainless hose and aluminum fittings later. no confusing adapters and other bs.

planned to put the oil filters in the space where my battery used to be, or on the side of the shock tower, near the fuel filter. oil cooler would go where the grill used to be.

does this sound good? am i missing anything?

007jpang · 07-27-2005, 10:22 PM

sound great but... two oil filters seem like overkill...

two oil filters also would cost more too.

chmercer · 07-27-2005, 10:28 PM

yea probably a little bit, but you would only have to replace the 2nd one every 2nd or 3rd time compared to the first one, since the first one is doing the majority of the filtering. and later on i could get a magnetic filter for the 2nd one also.

anyone have any idea what kind of effect this will have on the oil pump?

007jpang · 07-27-2005, 10:47 PM

i think no effect... also get a magnetic drain plug whiile your at it.

Flybert · 07-27-2005, 10:50 PM

If KA's are anything like SR's, oil cooler and oil filter relocation kits make the oil pump work harder and cause it to fail sooner. Might want to think about getting a new oil pump while you are at it, especially if your motor has high mileage.

chmercer · 07-28-2005, 03:36 AM

was looking on jegs and they have a kit, it was like 50 bucks so i got it, comes with everything but the cooler, ill let you guys know if it sucks ass and leaks. if it works good, ill get a cheap cooler, and be rolling with my 100$ awesome oil setup.

Maeda · 07-28-2005, 04:00 AM

Make sure its a good casting...

My cheapo usdm tite oil filter relocation cracked after a year.

Var · 07-28-2005, 12:12 PM

how would this affect oil pressure? Would it be wise to shim the oil pump to make it pump harder?

chmercer · 07-29-2005, 03:14 AM

i dunno. the motor i have is supposed to have around 40k miles on it so im just going to leave the pump alone. i got an oil pressure sensor that ill be using to see if there is some pressure drop or anything, also it will be obvious if the pump fails. I havent bought a cooler yet but id like to eventually. what i am looking for right now is a source for braided hose. i need a few feet of some 1/2" or AN-10 hose. anyone know anywhere that carries this?

chmercer · 08-07-2005, 10:36 PM

ok i got this thing installed. it was quite straightforward, didnt encounter any problems. the filters this thing takes are HUGE. its awesome. ive ran this setup all day at a drift meet and absolutley no signs of leakage. this uses the same hose fittings as the greddy relocation kit (barbed fittings and worm gear clamps) which costs like 120somthing, but this one is like 60 bucks, you can put it anywhere, and it comes with a ton of hose so there is no problems with the hoses being short like the greddy kit. heres a pic of it installed. crappy pic but yea

anyway ive put a lot of stress on the car and there is absolutley no leakage or anything. so i deffinitley reccomend this product for anyone looking to do a filter relocation / oil cooler / more oil capacity for cheap. (fyi this raised my capacity by about 1 quart).

MakotoS13 · 08-08-2005, 06:57 AM

dude screw the oil stuff you got a bunch of crap all over your fenders bumper and mirror. i'd take care of that stuff first.

TheTimanator · 08-08-2005, 07:12 AM

Is there anyway to change the fliter without making a mess? Seems like with the filters set up that way it's gonna dump oil all over the place when you take them off...even after you drain the oil.

chmercer · 08-08-2005, 11:46 AM

yea putting them upside down like that will get oil all over the place. but it looks cool. haha.

makoto- if you want to come down here and paint my car for 80 bucks, let me know. i have the paint

SR240DET · 08-08-2005, 04:46 PM

what do you gain here with 2 filters... big ass filters...

MakotoS13 · 08-08-2005, 04:52 PM

ch- if you were in the area, had the booth, prepped the car, and i had the time i'd do it. sadly, that isn't the case.

chmercer · 08-08-2005, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SR240DET

what do you gain here with 2 filters... big ass filters...

more oil and more filtration, cleaner motor..

NZO · 08-09-2005, 03:48 AM

Could just get a canton mecca instead.

axiomatik · 08-09-2005, 11:40 AM

To prevent oil from spilling all over when you go to change your filters, punch a hole in the top of each filter as you drain your oil, this will allow almost all of the oil to drain out of the filters, and you will get just a small dribble instead of a flood.

atom · 08-09-2005, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chmercer

more oil and more filtration, cleaner motor..

You have more oil and filtration capacity, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have a much cleaner motor. You need a bypass filter to really filter out all the gunk in your oil.

Al_S14 · 08-09-2005, 04:55 PM

i got a kit almost like this one(relocation) adaptors are lil differnt, but same brand. i have yet to install it but looks like a good product. makes adding oil pressure sending unit very simple and easy to access. putting my filter in same spot as you... only single unit

sideview_180sx · 08-10-2005, 02:32 AM

this is old news, search under my former SN. i did it back in '03.

Results
-more oil
-low oil pressure
-realization 2 are overkill, especially shit fram ones,
-STP are better filters
-realized "fuk this im switching to canton"
-will be re-done possibly end of year

PS those kits that raise the oil filter, allowing you to connect hoses for a cooler and guages, IMO are better for non pro-race applications just use quality oil and filter (pricey mobil1, cheapy STP)

chmercer · 08-10-2005, 12:08 PM

stp filters kinda suck... and yea C/M stuff is awesome, but its priced to show... i want to get one later on, the elements are good for what, like 20k miles for the big one? that would pay itself back after a few oil changes

07-27-2005, 10:03 PM	#1
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oil system mod checklist (possible faq?) been searching around, tons of info turning up, but i still had a few questions; i want to make sure i order everything i need so i dont end up with a halfway installed setup. ive found that the KA oil filter uses a 3/4 -16 thread, and should be able to use this type of filter relocation block http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-...temZ7987558418 i planned to follow that up with one of these http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HD-Du...temZ7975354107 then into somthing like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Tru-C...spagenameZWDVW then back into the motor. hose i would get from autozone or whatever. these prices kindof suck, need to shop around more, but i only searched for items with buy it now so i could post an actual price. i figure this way i can relocate my filter to an easier to reach place, add another filter, add a cooler, and pump up my oil capacity, for roughly 150$ shipped (or less after shopping around). i know barbed fittings and worm gear clamps arent the best but i figure a lot of guys have to use this stuff and i havent read much about catastrophic failure. i did read one thing about a guy not getting a good seal on one of the hoses and getting some air bubbles into the oil and somehow fucking somthing up, but that only turned up once. sticking with the 1/2" fittings on everything will simplify stuff if i decide to switch to stainless hose and aluminum fittings later. no confusing adapters and other bs. planned to put the oil filters in the space where my battery used to be, or on the side of the shock tower, near the fuel filter. oil cooler would go where the grill used to be. does this sound good? am i missing anything?

07-27-2005, 10:22 PM	#2
007jpang Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Daly City/ San Jose Posts: 495 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sound great but... two oil filters seem like overkill... two oil filters also would cost more too. __________________ April 24th, 1915 http://www.shockdrifting.com

07-27-2005, 10:47 PM	#4
007jpang Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Daly City/ San Jose Posts: 495 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i think no effect... also get a magnetic drain plug whiile your at it. __________________ April 24th, 1915 http://www.shockdrifting.com

07-28-2005, 04:00 AM	#7
Maeda Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Camp Snake Bite, CA RIP Posts: 2,356 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Maeda Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Make sure its a good casting... My cheapo usdm tite oil filter relocation cracked after a year. __________________

07-28-2005, 12:12 PM	#8
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how would this affect oil pressure? Would it be wise to shim the oil pump to make it pump harder? __________________ Hi

07-27-2005, 10:28 PM	#3
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea probably a little bit, but you would only have to replace the 2nd one every 2nd or 3rd time compared to the first one, since the first one is doing the majority of the filtering. and later on i could get a magnetic filter for the 2nd one also. anyone have any idea what kind of effect this will have on the oil pump?

07-27-2005, 10:50 PM	#5
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	If KA's are anything like SR's, oil cooler and oil filter relocation kits make the oil pump work harder and cause it to fail sooner. Might want to think about getting a new oil pump while you are at it, especially if your motor has high mileage.

07-28-2005, 03:36 AM	#6
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	was looking on jegs and they have a kit, it was like 50 bucks so i got it, comes with everything but the cooler, ill let you guys know if it sucks ass and leaks. if it works good, ill get a cheap cooler, and be rolling with my 100$ awesome oil setup.

07-29-2005, 03:14 AM	#9
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dunno. the motor i have is supposed to have around 40k miles on it so im just going to leave the pump alone. i got an oil pressure sensor that ill be using to see if there is some pressure drop or anything, also it will be obvious if the pump fails. I havent bought a cooler yet but id like to eventually. what i am looking for right now is a source for braided hose. i need a few feet of some 1/2" or AN-10 hose. anyone know anywhere that carries this?

08-07-2005, 10:36 PM	#10
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok i got this thing installed. it was quite straightforward, didnt encounter any problems. the filters this thing takes are HUGE. its awesome. ive ran this setup all day at a drift meet and absolutley no signs of leakage. this uses the same hose fittings as the greddy relocation kit (barbed fittings and worm gear clamps) which costs like 120somthing, but this one is like 60 bucks, you can put it anywhere, and it comes with a ton of hose so there is no problems with the hoses being short like the greddy kit. heres a pic of it installed. crappy pic but yea anyway ive put a lot of stress on the car and there is absolutley no leakage or anything. so i deffinitley reccomend this product for anyone looking to do a filter relocation / oil cooler / more oil capacity for cheap. (fyi this raised my capacity by about 1 quart).

08-08-2005, 06:57 AM	#11
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dude screw the oil stuff you got a bunch of crap all over your fenders bumper and mirror. i'd take care of that stuff first.

08-08-2005, 07:12 AM	#12
TheTimanator Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nashville Age: 41 Posts: 2,535 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: TheTimanator Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Is there anyway to change the fliter without making a mess? Seems like with the filters set up that way it's gonna dump oil all over the place when you take them off...even after you drain the oil. __________________ 89 S13 hatch/////98 Subaru 2.5RS

08-08-2005, 11:46 AM	#13
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea putting them upside down like that will get oil all over the place. but it looks cool. haha. makoto- if you want to come down here and paint my car for 80 bucks, let me know. i have the paint

08-08-2005, 04:46 PM	#14
SR240DET Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: orida Posts: 1,490 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what do you gain here with 2 filters... big ass filters...

08-08-2005, 04:52 PM	#15
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ch- if you were in the area, had the booth, prepped the car, and i had the time i'd do it. sadly, that isn't the case.

08-09-2005, 03:48 AM	#17
NZO Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Reno, NV Age: 42 Posts: 1,424 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: NZO Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Could just get a canton mecca instead. __________________ sentinelguild.com/nzo/PFCDB/

08-09-2005, 11:40 AM	#18
axiomatik Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 4,702 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	To prevent oil from spilling all over when you go to change your filters, punch a hole in the top of each filter as you drain your oil, this will allow almost all of the oil to drain out of the filters, and you will get just a small dribble instead of a flood.

08-09-2005, 04:55 PM	#20
Al_S14 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chesapeake VA Age: 40 Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i got a kit almost like this one(relocation) adaptors are lil differnt, but same brand. i have yet to install it but looks like a good product. makes adding oil pressure sending unit very simple and easy to access. putting my filter in same spot as you... only single unit

08-10-2005, 02:32 AM	#21
sideview_180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: somewhere north of mexico Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	this is old news, search under my former SN. i did it back in '03. Results -more oil -low oil pressure -realization 2 are overkill, especially shit fram ones, -STP are better filters -realized "fuk this im switching to canton" -will be re-done possibly end of year PS those kits that raise the oil filter, allowing you to connect hoses for a cooler and guages, IMO are better for non pro-race applications just use quality oil and filter (pricey mobil1, cheapy STP) __________________ feel the rythym. feel the ride. get on up. it's bobsled time. COOL RUNNINGS!!! formerly sideviewcivic Save a Horse. Drift This Cowboy. AirBag Club Member #0014

08-10-2005, 12:08 PM	#22
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	stp filters kinda suck... and yea C/M stuff is awesome, but its priced to show... i want to get one later on, the elements are good for what, like 20k miles for the big one? that would pay itself back after a few oil changes