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xagna · 03-18-2006, 09:31 PM

Does Nismo or Kazama engine mounts lower the engine compared to the stock mount?
If not, is there any engine mount that can put the engine lower into the engine room thus achieving lower center of gravity?

Ritz S14 · 03-18-2006, 09:34 PM

I don't think lowering the motor would be a good idea. Lower oil pan = more possibilites of damaging it.

xagna · 03-18-2006, 09:39 PM

In that regard, lowering the car itself is not a good idea too. But you have your point. Thanks for your 2 cent.

Ritz S14 · 03-18-2006, 09:55 PM

Yeah, but lowering just the motor will leave the oil pan more exposed, than if you were just to lower the car itself.

*Jonnie Fraz* · 03-18-2006, 10:42 PM

I have not compared them, but I read that Cusco ones lower the motor 1in.

sideview_180sx · 03-18-2006, 10:51 PM

stock motor mounts have the engine lower because they are used !!! as the durometer decreases the weight bears down on the mounts and the motor drops lower. This explains why when you install new mounts, the motor sits higher. Simply put, new mounts position the motor where it should be when mounts are new, even with stock mounts.

*light bulb obviously wasn't clicking for you*

only mounts that would be comparable are R32 mounts, heavier motor = higher durometer. Search for some R32 mounts. Done and Done.

xagna · 03-18-2006, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideview_180sx

stock motor mounts have the engine lower because they are used !!! as the durometer decreases the weight bears down on the mounts and the motor drops lower. This explains why when you install new mounts, the motor sits higher. Simply put, new mounts position the motor where it should be when mounts are new, even with stock mounts.

*light bulb obviously wasn't clicking for you*

only mounts that would be comparable are R32 mounts, heavier motor = higher durometer. Search for some R32 mounts. Done and Done.

Thanks for explaining about age affecting the engine mounting height. Now, do you know any engine mount that lowers the engine or keeps the current height?

OptionZero · 03-18-2006, 11:29 PM

keep current height= keep current mounts
lower engine = custom mounts

if you are at the point where you actually care about center of gravity AND can measure it AND are driving hard enough to notice the difference regularly

THEN you should have access/money/interest to having the fab shop do the work for you, it's just some metal work and shit at that point

OTHERWISE, stop reading, pick up your keys, and drive. Seems like a little knowledge here went a long way...in the wrong direction

xagna · 03-19-2006, 10:38 AM

"if you are at the point where you actually care about center of gravity AND can measure it AND are driving hard enough to notice the difference regularly."

I noticed a difference in cornering right away after installing a strut bar in the front. I noticed a difference in rolling after I lowered my car down by an inch so I had to raise it back to bring the roll center back to original location. So yes, I do care.

Now I just found out that Nismo mount for CA does lower KA because CAs sit low. Where can I get this CA engine mount?

Jason@performance · 03-19-2006, 12:05 PM

The NISMO Mounts are made to factory spec except with the higher durometer rubber...

If you were to hold them next to eachother you wouldnt see much difference until you push down on it.

The CA mounts look very similar to the SR / KA mounts but the little stubs sticking from the top of the mounts are in different locations... The R&L mounts on the CA look to be a little shorter then the SR/KA mounts...

(We just got more CA NISMO mounts instock... PM me for forum price)

mbmbmb23 · 03-19-2006, 01:32 PM

FYI, I believe the USDM driver side CA engine mount is the thin one, not both. Use 2 of those in your KA/SR and it will sit lower...but those are the mounts (LH) that are usually out of stock with places that carry them (possibly not the case with the poster above?)

-m

Jason@performance · 03-19-2006, 11:29 PM

I have them..

Ill take side by side pictures tomorrow of CA / SR mounts next to eachother...

boosteds13 · 03-19-2006, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

CA's do not sit low. Oil pan location is still set in the same place as if it were a KA or even an SR. What makes a CA look as if it sit's low is it's block deck heigth which would appear to make the engine look as if it was sitting lower than an SR or KA. Which KA has the tallest deck heigth of all 3 of those engines. (aren't nismo s13 mounts all the same?)

You have no idea what you are talking about...

Nismo SR/KA mount on the left, CA mount on the right-

Again, SR/KA on left, CA on right-

The CA mounts are DEFINITELY smaller than the KA/SR mounts. Driver side is almost 1/2" shorter and pass side is about 1/4 to 1/3" shorter.

***S14DB*** · 03-20-2006, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonnie Fraz

I have not compared them, but I read that Cusco ones lower the motor 1in.

I have seen vendors advertisers selling this point also. I have them on the shelf and don't know how they support this claim.

boosteds13 · 03-20-2006, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

I have seen vendors advertisers selling this point also. I have them on the shelf and don't know how they support this claim.

Go compare them to your stock mounts and see if there is any noticeable difference. Even if your stock mounts are worn out, they wouldn't sag as much as the height difference they advertise.

Jason@performance · 03-20-2006, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boosteds13

You have no idea what you are talking about...

Nismo SR/KA mount on the left, CA mount on the right-

Again, SR/KA on left, CA on right-

The CA mounts are DEFINITELY smaller than the KA/SR mounts. Driver side is almost 1/2" shorter and pass side is about 1/4 to 1/3" shorter.

beat me to it!

Im just not sure the motor would even seat properly on the CA mounts.. If you look at them from the top you see what I am talking about... ?

boosteds13 · 03-20-2006, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@performance

beat me to it!

Im just not sure the motor would even seat properly on the CA mounts.. If you look at them from the top you see what I am talking about... ?

Yeah... I know the CA sits a much more radical angle than the other motors which could possibly cause an oil starvation issue.

curbhuggerrps13 · 03-20-2006, 06:24 AM

wow this thread was very helpful..all those who contributed gets a +1

Jason@performance · 03-20-2006, 12:26 PM

Right Mounts:

SR on the Left
CA on the Right

Left Side Mounts

SR on the Left
CA on the Right

The most noticeable differences...

On the Right mounts... The CA rubber going to the bottom part pictured is not as wide as on the SR/KA mount.

On both mounts, the SR/KA metal is thicker then the CA ones...

On both mounts the SR/KA mounting studs are longer with more threads then the CA ones...

On both mounts the SR/KA mounting dowel pins on the frame are longer then the CA ones...

On the top of the SR/KA mounts the dowel on the motor side is further from the stud then on the CA ones...

hope this helps?

03-18-2006, 09:31 PM	#1
xagna Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: ny Posts: 194 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Does Nismo or Kazama engine mounts lower the engine compared to the stock mount? Does Nismo or Kazama engine mounts lower the engine compared to the stock mount? If not, is there any engine mount that can put the engine lower into the engine room thus achieving lower center of gravity?

03-18-2006, 10:42 PM	#5
Jonnie Fraz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Age: 56 Posts: 1,371 Trader Rating: (29) Rides Gallery: Jonnie Fraz Feedback Score: 29 reviews	I have not compared them, but I read that Cusco ones lower the motor 1in. __________________ Stealth-Custom-Fab.com

03-18-2006, 10:51 PM	#6
sideview_180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: somewhere north of mexico Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	stock motor mounts have the engine lower because they are used !!! as the durometer decreases the weight bears down on the mounts and the motor drops lower. This explains why when you install new mounts, the motor sits higher. Simply put, new mounts position the motor where it should be when mounts are new, even with stock mounts. light bulb obviously wasn't clicking for you only mounts that would be comparable are R32 mounts, heavier motor = higher durometer. Search for some R32 mounts. Done and Done. __________________ feel the rythym. feel the ride. get on up. it's bobsled time. COOL RUNNINGS!!! formerly sideviewcivic Save a Horse. Drift This Cowboy. AirBag Club Member #0014

03-19-2006, 01:32 PM	#11
mbmbmb23 Zilvia Contributor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC. Posts: 1,776 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: mbmbmb23 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	FYI, I believe the USDM driver side CA engine mount is the thin one, not both. Use 2 of those in your KA/SR and it will sit lower...but those are the mounts (LH) that are usually out of stock with places that carry them (possibly not the case with the poster above?) -m __________________ 400x200

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03-18-2006, 09:34 PM	#2
Ritz S14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: C A L I F O R N I A Age: 43 Posts: 3,586 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't think lowering the motor would be a good idea. Lower oil pan = more possibilites of damaging it.

03-18-2006, 09:39 PM	#3
xagna Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: ny Posts: 194 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	In that regard, lowering the car itself is not a good idea too. But you have your point. Thanks for your 2 cent.

03-18-2006, 09:55 PM	#4
Ritz S14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: C A L I F O R N I A Age: 43 Posts: 3,586 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, but lowering just the motor will leave the oil pan more exposed, than if you were just to lower the car itself.

03-18-2006, 11:29 PM	#8
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	keep current height= keep current mounts lower engine = custom mounts if you are at the point where you actually care about center of gravity AND can measure it AND are driving hard enough to notice the difference regularly THEN you should have access/money/interest to having the fab shop do the work for you, it's just some metal work and shit at that point OTHERWISE, stop reading, pick up your keys, and drive. Seems like a little knowledge here went a long way...in the wrong direction

03-19-2006, 10:38 AM	#9
xagna Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: ny Posts: 194 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"if you are at the point where you actually care about center of gravity AND can measure it AND are driving hard enough to notice the difference regularly." I noticed a difference in cornering right away after installing a strut bar in the front. I noticed a difference in rolling after I lowered my car down by an inch so I had to raise it back to bring the roll center back to original location. So yes, I do care. Now I just found out that Nismo mount for CA does lower KA because CAs sit low. Where can I get this CA engine mount?

03-19-2006, 12:05 PM	#10
Jason@performance Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 91010 Duarte, CA Posts: 427 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The NISMO Mounts are made to factory spec except with the higher durometer rubber... If you were to hold them next to eachother you wouldnt see much difference until you push down on it. The CA mounts look very similar to the SR / KA mounts but the little stubs sticking from the top of the mounts are in different locations... The R&L mounts on the CA look to be a little shorter then the SR/KA mounts... (We just got more CA NISMO mounts instock... PM me for forum price)

03-19-2006, 11:29 PM	#12
Jason@performance Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 91010 Duarte, CA Posts: 427 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have them.. Ill take side by side pictures tomorrow of CA / SR mounts next to eachother...

03-20-2006, 06:24 AM	#18
curbhuggerrps13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fort drum Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	wow this thread was very helpful..all those who contributed gets a +1

03-20-2006, 12:26 PM	#19
Jason@performance Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 91010 Duarte, CA Posts: 427 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Right Mounts: SR on the Left CA on the Right Left Side Mounts SR on the Left CA on the Right The most noticeable differences... On the Right mounts... The CA rubber going to the bottom part pictured is not as wide as on the SR/KA mount. On both mounts, the SR/KA metal is thicker then the CA ones... On both mounts the SR/KA mounting studs are longer with more threads then the CA ones... On both mounts the SR/KA mounting dowel pins on the frame are longer then the CA ones... On the top of the SR/KA mounts the dowel on the motor side is further from the stud then on the CA ones... hope this helps?