how good are KYB AGX struts?

[mixedwell]

hey kids. as you might not know, my suspension setup has been dead for quite some time now. and i wanted to change it ASAP. the only problem that im running into is that i can seem to make a good enough suspenison kit.

yeah so anyways i figured out that im just gonna do the AGX and ground control setup like many of you have. my question is that i now have a sick hook up on KYB AGX but i wanted to know about their AGX FRONT STRUTS. should i just get the AGX shocks and use my old 240sx struts (cuz i know abunch of you had ur struts cut) or should i go and buy the AGX front sturts? will this be better than cut 240sx struts? and whats the difference.

and please, im not into TIEN or JiC or all those nice full suspenison set up right now cuz i have no cash right now. plust i think AGX and GC setup is one of the best if you ask me. so please post up. holla!

mixedwell

whole AGX struts or AGX shocks with cut 240sx struts? u decide.

[gschroeder78]

I have a full set of AGX's and Eibach Prokits and I was surprised how big of a difference they made. All I can say is to go with the KYB AGX's and whatever springs you decide on at the same time. It's not worth taking apart twice.

Garrett

[hurleyboi514]

i have AGX's and i like em... i have the suspension techniques springs, and i really like em, but they are alittle soft for me. im gonna get a set of custom rate springs prollly (6kgF/5kgR) soon... id reccommend the ST springs with the AGX's. they handle QUITE well...

[hookedup240]

I have kyb agx's and eibach sportlines, and they go well with each other. For the price i got i couldn't go wrong. The agx's are good shocks though allowing you to change the stiffness. I noticed a big difference once i put them on.

[Yoshi]

I should point out that you can go from springs to GC's, but not the other way around. Installing GC's requires cutting off the spring perches, I cut mine, ground them down and repainted the shocks when I did mine.

[Phlip]

I got my AGXs in last thursday and went on a road trip friday... Bottom line, I love these things, I went on one of my favorite country roads and ran them hard just yesterday...

[nrcooled]

I have AGXs and HKS kg/mm and on my favorite stretch of industrial road they far exeeded my expectations. Where I could only take a corner at 60mph, I now can take at 80mph (They feel more controllable on the edge)

[240racer]

i wanted to know about their AGX FRONT STRUTS. should i just get the AGX shocks and use my old 240sx struts (cuz i know abunch of you had ur struts cut) or should i go and buy the AGX front sturts? will this be better than cut 240sx struts? and whats the difference.

The shocks are for the rear. They are called shocks when they have pivots at both ends and struts when they have a pivot at only one end. The strut actually takes some of the load from cornering or braking as well as the vertical load from the weight of the car. You are probably thinking of the Koni setup, where you mount the original strut assy on the shock body of the Koni's. This is just because they don't make our specific application. You don't do this with KYB's.

Does anybody have experience with stock springs and AGX shocks on a s13? This is what I am planning on doing, is there any problems with overdamping or anything that you guys have found?
thanks

[Chicken Magnet]

Originally posted by 240racer
The shocks are for the rear. They are called shocks when they have pivots at both ends and struts when they have a pivot at only one end. The strut actually takes some of the load from cornering or braking as well as the vertical load from the weight of the car. You are probably thinking of the Koni setup, where you mount the original strut assy on the shock body of the Koni's. This is just because they don't make our specific application. You don't do this with KYB's.

Does anybody have experience with stock springs and AGX shocks on a s13? This is what I am planning on doing, is there any problems with overdamping or anything that you guys have found?
thanks

From my personal experience, it is best to upgrade both the strut/springs at the same time. Your springs are probably old and it won't be as smooth riding as if you get both. It will also be less pain to do it at once.

[mixedwell]

no wait. theres actually a KYB AGX FRONT STRUT for the 240sx. and yes its for the s13 240sx also.

this is my thing. i want to *MAKE* a suspension setup like tien. becasue the Tien replaces ur old struts wiht thier own. i want to use the KYB AGX STRUTS for the front because i dont just want to use my ols 240sx struts and get them cut. but i want to know if the AGX struts will lower my car like the tiens. And the springs im usgin are the Ground control.

if you still dont get it check this out. which is better?

KYB AGX STRUTS + GROUND CONTROL

KYB AGX SHOCKS + GROUND CONTROL + cut 240sx struts

i jsut want to know if the AGX struts will help lower my car. my lil bro had his struts cut and they are nicely lowerd. my car still has the stock shock sleeve thing and it keeps the front from lowering. it looks stupid as hell. help me out guys.

holla
mixedwell

[Yoshi]

okay, the struts/shocks have NOTHING TO DO with your car's ride height. If you're going GC's, it's entirely up to your adjustment of your springs. I have mine at the highest setting and the car is about 1.5" lower than stock, if I wanted to, I could lower until either I'm sitting on the bumpstop, or the chassis hit the ground, whichever came first. If you really want, I can take pix of my 2 cars side by side, one has stock suspension, the other has AGX and GC's

edit: also, what did u mean with the AGX+GC's+stock struts? It's one or the other, stock or AGX, not both. it sounds like your talking about cutting springs (or heating them til the car squats). That's what ricers do to lower their cars... bouncy bouncy bouncy

[nrcooled]

This is what you need to do:

1. Go take off a front and a real wheel from your car
2. Look at the setup (McPherson Strut)
3. Notice that what your saying doesn't make sence

You can cut the perch that the spring sits on so you can sleve the shock body and have "coilovers" or keep the perch and go w/ the conventional shock spring setup.

You cannot use both the stock shock and the aftermarket one at the same time

[drifterx]

i got them for a year 1/2 already and they r great......
i have them with Sprint springs

[Bbandit]

what do you mean by cutting the struts?
i thought agx's will fit without cutting
the only thing i know is that if you get the camber kit from GC's website, then you need some cutting but i dont think its the struts that you have to cut
www.ground-control.com
if you get the konis and tokicos.. then you neet some cutting
but as for agxs i dont think you need any cutting at all
correct me if im wrong guys

[hooter]

If he is saying what I think he is saying then...

For some strut equipped cars (like Toyota Corolla AE86), shock manufacturers build a strut insert that is shorter than the stock strut. For example, the Tokico HTS strut insert is something like 2" shorter than the stock strut assembly. This means that in order to install them onto the car, the stock strut housing must be cut down or a spacer needs to be made for the bottom of the strut housing. This is usually done on the Toyotas because the shock companies want to use the same strut for a number of different models, thereby reducing costs on their part. They use a short insert and prescribe useing spacers to make it sit properly in the housing.

The equivalent HTS model for the S13 is stock sized and is not an insert but the whole assembly. It is not any shorter than stock but doesn't require any cutting in order to assemble it. THe KYB AGX is also a strut assembly, not merely an insert and is also stock sized which means that although you will not have to cut anything to install them, they do not lower the car at all. Koni makes a front strut insert for the S13, which means it uses the stock strut housing but unfortunately is also the same length as the stock strut. However, you can get the Koni's shortened and revalved for stiffer springs, in which case you would need to cut down your stock strut housing in order to fit the shortened insert properly. This gives you lowering via the shortening the strut body (like Tein, JIC, etc) which is the more desireable way of doing things.

mixedwell, if you want a super slammed stance, then AGX won't cut it. You would probably have to spring for a dedicated coilover system or at least shortened front inserts from Koni. Motivational Engineering (www.motivational.net) makes shortened front struts for 240sx but they go for $200 a piece. Either way, getting a shortened front suspension is not gonna be cheap.

-Charlie

[mixedwell]

um... sorta what i meant was, do i need to cut my stock shock collars? cuz i know some people that cut theirs. but its only for the front. yeah so shock collars do they need to be cut? holla

mixedwell

[hooter]

Are you referring to the spring perch?

If you cut off your spring perch, what is your spring going to rest on?

If you are keeping your stock front shocks, why do you have to cut anything?

Your terminology is confusing. Are you trying to lower your car? Or just replace the front struts and shocks? Or just replacing your rear shocks? Or just replace the rears with lowering springs and shocks? Or just replacing the rears with lowering springs and shocks and replacing the front springs with lowering springs?

-Charlie

[Bbandit]

i dont understand the meaning by shortening strut housing
im stupid.. help me...
so you need to cut the shocks and reweld it or something?
do you guys have any pics of it?
im lost.. help me

[mixedwell]

hahaha stupid me. ok well i figured what i needed to do. hahahah ok so thanks yall. hehehe i figured what i needed to do. well sorta. if theres more questions that what u kids at zilvia.net are for right? u guys rock. thanks for the help yall.

also! if someone is selling their HUD dash, please let me know. i really want it, cuz mine is cracked. also im selling s15 fenders. sorry for the cheap advertizing.


holla
mixedwell

[SRPILOT]

where you gettin your struts at..I need a hook up too..ill be runnin tein s techs on my s13..I heard its a very good setup..pro kits are good too.