trans prob, wont go in gear when on......

[ericcastro]

Hey

I am having some issues.

The other day i pulled out and drove to the end of the block.
Was waiting for my turn to pull onto the street.
When i went to put the car into 1st, it wouldn't go in gear, or any other gear for that matter.
It also made no grinding noises at all.

I figured the autozone clutch master finally gave out after having to push that 6 puck all the time.

Changed the master and bled it, nothing.

I noticed that when the engine isnt on, i can put the car through the gears no problem.

Checked the slave, was about to replace it, but realized it was working fine.

So from what i am gathering, it may be the pivot ball or something to do with the fork??
Seems like it should grind though, even if it doesnt go into gear.

So is the tranny gone?
(im kinda thinking this, since it doesnt grind.)

Im gonna start pulling it off on the side of my street.
would love to check in later and see some thoughts on what it is.

SOHC KA BTW.
(also, the pilot bushing has been making a lot more noise then usual the last couple weeks.)

[ericcastro]

one more question since we are on this thread....

are the SOHC and DOHC trannies the same, incase i gotta buy a used one?

[godrifttoday]

do u have a strong clutch? what about oil? what type? a buddy of mine had a similar problem of gears not going in change the fluid and worked... have u taken the dust boot off and try to look if the pivot ball broke? if im not mistaken the bell housing are a bit different for the single and dual cam... someone correct me if wrong?

[ericcastro]

i have a strong clutch.
but the hydrolics seem to be working all the way to the slave.

Just pulled the boot off and there was some nasty gray colored tranny fluid under it.
gonna check the fluid level right now as i drain it.

[boobs13]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

one more question since we are on this thread....

are the SOHC and DOHC trannies the same, incase i gotta buy a used one?

It sounds like your tranny is gone, And yes both SOHC and DOHC trannys work the same...

Gl Castro!

[dreaMervaj]

I posted a similar thread up with no response. My transmission won't go into 5th gear but every other gear it goes in fine. It doesn't go in even when the car is off. Wtf is going on here?

Hope you get your problem solved, IDK what's wrong with mine. =(

[slomar91]

What happens when you put it in first while its off, hold the clutch and start it?

[jdmjap808]

what will cause my forth gear pop out when decelerating? sorry for the jack but similar issue i guess. i have gear oil and new stage 2 clutch in an SR trans

[CrimsonRockett]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

i have a strong clutch.
but the hydrolics seem to be working all the way to the slave.

Just pulled the boot off and there was some nasty gray colored tranny fluid under it.
gonna check the fluid level right now as i drain it.

Sounds like a bad clutch to me. My brother's was doing something similar (S14 Kouki). It would start jamming into gears. Inspected the clutch and sure enough it was toast.

It would shift into gears perfectly fine with the car off. Turn the car on, sometimes it wouldn't even budge.

I did a lot of maintenance stuff while I was down there though. (Clutch, resurfaced flywheel, rear main seal, rear transmission seal, pilot bearing, SPL pivot ball, new clutch master/slave cylinder, SS clutch line, Amsoil trans fluid, etc).

The tranny fluid *could* be coming from the front transmission seal.



Pop that off. There's a seal behind it.

You could try to take care of those things first. Err, inspect them and go from there.

[Shadowhunter]

Either Bad clutch or one of the forks in the trans is bent. Either way, it's time to start pulling the trans.

[Goldeneye9mm]

if you have a heavy duty clutch most likely its a squashed pivot ball. could also be a bad slave or master if the pivot is good. other problems are possible but with the info given those are the places i would start. pull the clutch fork boot and get a flashlight and look at your pivot ball. should look like this-vvvv-
Nismo 30537-RS540 Clutch Fork Pivot Ball Nissan S13/S14
if it doesnt or its shorter its bad. good luck.

[murffy]

i think he snapped the shaft pictured above where the bearing is placed..thats just me, we"ll find out soon enough, keep us posted

[ericcastro]

alright.

finally got it off.
what a struggle.
literally another half inch on the sides of the tunnel would make it soooo much easier. Had to lower the engine via the subframe bolts(or whatever they are called, lowered whole suspension)


The pivot ball looks good.
the seal looks good (thanks johnny.)
the tranny was full, as the pavement can verify. (couldnt wrestle the trans, move the jack, and keep the catch under it, so it made a mess.)


The clutch disc/plate had slid down to the bottom of the area its supposed to be pressed in. could have been the struggle with the tranny,
but...
Had 3 finger loose bolts out of the 6 on the pressure plate. They were every other.
So I took them off by hand.
Started to take the others off, and decided i should see if they were loose, yup.
Got about 3 turns on each going tighter, so they had also backed off a bunch.
So i took them off and the pressure plate and clutch.

They look fine to me. but im gonna post pics.









So i guess the gamble is,
was it the pressure plate backing off about 3 turns worth, that wouldn't let it engage?
or is there another issue.

BTW, the tranny drain and fill will not budge.
but when it was on, i took the rear sensor out, and it started leaking slowly out that, and its about the same height as the fill plug, just opposite side. (so i can refil there i am assuming??)

[sr20sean]

just fill it through the shifter hole.

did you use loctite on the bolts and torque them down properly?

[smoked240]

Is it an s13 or s14? on my s13 I bypassed that stupid block thing that the clutch fluid ran into for no damn reason then ran to the slave. I removed that and had no problems after that. This is it worked fine then all of a sudden didn't. I'm not sure if an s14 has it. I still have a few problems with my rb tranny but I haven't had any head way on it. When it's cold and I release the clutch in Neutral, the rpms drop almost like it's in gear. I have no idea what it is but annoying.

The Pressure plate being loose may have caused it. Cause you said while it was running you could put it in gear and it wouldn't move? The pressure plate being backed off could have caused the disc to not grab and basically acted like the clutch was pushed in the whole time. Just a guess.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by sr20sean

just fill it through the shifter hole.

did you use loctite on the bolts and torque them down properly?

I just worry about over filling it.

I dont think so.
It was done when i built the entire car in 5 long days for ASB last year.
So they were probably just torqued.
and with a fully stitched and caged car on coils bouncing along as my daily, i am surprised i havent had more loose nuts on the car, lol.


ITs a S13 SOHC.
Im thinking it was the preasure plate.
3 turns in a lot, and if its backed off, it wont be able to push the clutch plate, or release, or whatever that shit does in there, lol.
guess its releasing right, lol.

[silvia_s14]

My bros 95 is doing the same thing once n awhile. On the drain and fill. Spray PBlaster tap it a couple timez with a hammer repeat couple times. My tranny drain n fill plugs wouldn't come out too until I read about how to take them off.

[ericcastro]

Morning Bump, before io go put it back together.

I am assuming the backed off pressure plate was the issue.
so i will put it back together, refill the fluid and try it out.

[DRIFTO16]

I JUST PULLED MY TRANNY YESTERDAY FOR MANY PROBLEMS I HAD
i found that my drive shaft rings where bent to shit
and my flywheel was garbage had it resurfaced got a new clutch kit
and also the buddy that swapped my auto tranny for 5 speed tranny forgot to take the auto torque converter i believe it is? where the tranny front locks on thats why i had all the grinding noises and vibration from the driveshaft im hoping to put it all back together today
it was tough work im sure u know seeing as how u just brought it down
but good luck i hope that is the problem cuz i mean if it isnt thats realy gonna suck so make sure u inspect everything else
good luck =]

[CrimsonRockett]

What. The. Fuck.

There's no way you could put a manual transmission on with a torque converter still in place.

If you guys didn't swap out the auto pilot bearing, that'll cause excessive wear.

Castro, the backed out bolts were more than likely the issue. Those things need to be torqued down to like 110ft lbs. I punched a jack stand at full force when the socket came off the flywheel bolt. lol. Screw those things.

[DRIFTO16]

hey crimson rocket
yeah idk my buddy was either drunk or just didnt give a shit
but yeah what kinda wear do u think it would do on my car?
or what would it affect the master tech at nissan (where i pulled the tranny out)
told me that it should be ok cuz it only wore out the little ring looking thing im guessing that the pilot converter or something that only the auto trans has
what do u think it might have messed with just so i know before i put everything up
.......

[uperformance]

Originally Posted by CrimsonRockett

What. The. Fuck.

There's no way you could put a manual transmission on with a torque converter still in place.

If you guys didn't swap out the auto pilot bearing, that'll cause excessive wear.

Castro, the backed out bolts were more than likely the issue. Those things need to be torqued down to like 110ft lbs. I punched a jack stand at full force when the socket came off the flywheel bolt. lol. Screw those things.

adjustable impact+locktite hahah save your knuckles!

[matts13vert]

loctite and torque them to 22ft/lbs. look in the fsm for the spec but from what i remember its 22ft/lbs

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by CrimsonRockett

Castro, the backed out bolts were more than likely the issue. Those things need to be torqued down to like 110ft lbs. I punched a jack stand at full force when the socket came off the flywheel bolt. lol. Screw those things.

Thats what I am thinking.
Just wanted to hear it from another source, lol.

Originally Posted by matts13vert

loctite and torque them to 22ft/lbs. look in the fsm for the spec but from what i remember its 22ft/lbs

I am gonna talk to Jon(forget his online name), in just a sec, when i borrow the pilot alighnment thing.
I dont have a torque, as i am also doing this on the side of a street, lol.


On the positive side, imma hammer the two spots on the firewall that were not letting the tranny down.

I will know if it worked in a few hours, and will post.
If it doesnt, then its prolly the tranny, but at least i will be able to move it before street cleaning in the morning, lol. (and they can wash up all that tranny fluid, lol.

[uperformance]

put a jack under ur crank pulley with a piece of wood, and jack the front of the engine up, you shouldnt have to bash ur firewall/tunnel! sr is even harder than ka, but ka is easy!

flywheel bolts, i have never seen one get over tourqued, and ive seen some stupid people with impacts. the pressure plate is good if you match the tourque anyhwere over 30ft/lbs . tighten them all even, and snug thats how we get our trannies on without a clutch tool, you use the tranny as one, pull it back off, and tighten everything 3/4-1 turn of ur ratchet, they should all be tight,

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by uperformance

put a jack under ur crank pulley with a piece of wood, and jack the front of the engine up, you shouldnt have to bash ur firewall/tunnel! sr is even harder than ka, but ka is easy!

flywheel bolts, i have never seen one get over tourqued, and ive seen some stupid people with impacts. the pressure plate is good if you match the tourque anyhwere over 30ft/lbs . tighten them all even, and snug thats how we get our trannies on without a clutch tool, you use the tranny as one, pull it back off, and tighten everything 3/4-1 turn of ur ratchet, they should all be tight,

cool. thanks

yeah, last time i pulled the tranny a couple years ago it wasnt so tough, but i had a hand.
I have the wood under the pully and the front subframe lowered about a half inch or whatever i could get with keeping all the threads grabbing.

I will tap the tunnel back just a tough to give me the little extra i need since i am there. (beat the outer firewall back 3 inches the other day to fit rims and tires, so i dont mind hammering it.

Just surprised my chrome rims were on it this morning.
Totally put my head in my ass when i left it on jacks on the street in my hood, lol.

[ericcastro]

FIXED

All in and working.

Putting it in solo is a bitch.
my shoulders hurt so much, lol
works great.
still need to bleed the master a little more from when i tried that.

kitty litter on the street, and the cars back behind the gate.
Thanks for the fast help guys.

[herbieS13]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

cool. thanks

yeah, last time i pulled the tranny a couple years ago it wasnt so tough, but i had a hand.

you did this all by yourself and you dont have hands!? lol

[DRIFTO16]

Daaang he did this with only one hand!!!!
Wow and that wrestler who won play of the week on sportcenter
for winning a match with one leg
that aint shit this guy pulled out a tranny with one hand!!
Lol

[ericcastro]

lol.
I had both hands, but it meant i was using the back of my knee to pump the jack up, lol.