COMPLETELY unrelated

[Phlip]

Okay, about 10:16 this morning, I walk into target and leave at 10:26 with 2 items: PS2 game NBA Street 2 and an album, Kanye West: "The College Dropout..." The point of this is that album, I gathered that streets wold be worth the 20 bucks it cost me. I had ANOTHER version of college dropout at the end of November, and I thought that it was damn good, but this album is FIRE... They remoed several songs from it, added some and ALL of the ones that remained saw SOME level of alteration, even it if was a minor change or pause placed in the beat, or some obvious complete re-recording of the song. There were instances during this album where I found myself with goosebumps... The FIRST time I sat through it in it's entirety. There have only been THREE albums in my 24.583333 years on this album has this actually taken place... I leave you with this:
IF YOU HAVE 10 BUCKS LEFT TO YOUR NAME, GO TO BEST BUY OR CIRCUIT CITY AND BUY THIS ALBUM, IT'S 10 BUCKS THERE TIL FRIDAY. This is, by far, the best thing I have heard in the 41 days, 1 hour and 2 minutes of this year now, and there is plenty more to my reasoning, but I have to get my ass up and work in the morning. I KNOW someone among us has the retail version of the album and not someon bullshit bootleg album, now discuss amongst yourselves....

[old_s13]

man you know people on zilvia dont appreciate rap...

tell them to go get some Garth Brooks or Brittany..

[hookedup240]

well i have the downloaded version i got off mirc....so what is up with the retail i really couldn't understand your post?


The album overall isn't that great i don't think...a lot of the songs sound the same....But then again i never really liked kanye west...even all his unreleased stuff wasn't that good.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by hookedup240

well i have the downloaded version i got off mirc....so what is up with the retail i really couldn't understand your post?


The album overall isn't that great i don't think...a lot of the songs sound the same....But then again i never really liked kanye west...even all his unreleased stuff wasn't that good.

That version you downloaded (fucking pirate, DIE!!!) should be 15 tracks long, I had that a few months ago in wait for the retail to come out. I liked what I had in hand even then. I knew that the album having been leaked so early there would have to be some changes made to it before it came out for real. But to repeat what the post said and add a little more to it:

There are now 21 tracks after the addition of like 2 interludes, the removal of several songs and the addition of several songs. The songs that remained on the album from the bootleg have ALL seen some change of some sort, small pauses, things added to the beat, extra verses and background vocals. ALL changes were for the better on an already good album... I have now listened to it like 8 times in the now less than 2 full days with it.

[Steeles]

Hey phlip..... help me man.... Chingy's verse on Luda's album and holidae inn is making me want to hear his whole CD.... I cant get that damn line about the Valet outta my head....

I need my car back.. I've listened to way to much radio the paast two weeks... and everythign I carry is MP3 or WMA and wont play in the honda!!!

[hookedup240]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

That version you downloaded (fucking pirate, DIE!!!) should be 15 tracks long, I had that a few months ago in wait for the retail to come out. I liked what I had in hand even then. I knew that the album having been leaked so early there would have to be some changes made to it before it came out for real. But to repeat what the post said and add a little more to it:

There are now 21 tracks after the addition of like 2 interludes, the removal of several songs and the addition of several songs. The songs that remained on the album from the bootleg have ALL seen some change of some sort, small pauses, things added to the beat, extra verses and background vocals. ALL changes were for the better on an already good album... I have now listened to it like 8 times in the now less than 2 full days with it.

no its the whole thing i checked it with a track listing of the cd. But anyway, I downloaded the cd....so sue me.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Steeles

Hey phlip..... help me man.... Chingy's verse on Luda's album and holidae inn is making me want to hear his whole CD.... I cant get that damn line about the Valet outta my head....

I need my car back.. I've listened to way to much radio the paast two weeks... and everythign I carry is MP3 or WMA and wont play in the honda!!!

I can't help you, I have had a hamburger AND a real haircut since the last time I listened to a radio station and I quit on beef and the caesar cold turkey in september of 99... I will recognize that seeing the video for Right Thurr, that his career can't get ANY better than "we got" on Ludacris' album...

Originally Posted by hookedup240

no its the whole thing i checked it with a track listing of the cd. But anyway, I downloaded the cd....so sue me.

No, I won't sue you for having fucked up musical tastes, I can't imagine any individual that has heard this album and still think that all the songs sound alike. Sure, we all are entitled to our own opinions, but in this case, yours is the wrong one if you think this album is bad in any way shape or form... Testament: Steeles, YOU have been in my bedroom and seen how many CDs I actually own, now take this to the point where I rarely have any album to strike me in such a manner must have something to it that draws my attention/adoration. This, based on the vast amount of genres represented in the collection, MUST be something quite sizeable at that. No shit, I bought this album now 84 hours and 17 minutes ago, it has counted for at least 18 of those hours, while SLEEP has counted for about 24 to this point... Reason? Take into consideration Kanye's anal retentive attention to detail in the production (and he did ALL of the tracks himself) to where pauses in his rhymes are met with matching pauses in the beats BUT they do nothing to ruin the continuity of the song, where MANY producers have failed so many times before. But we all KNOW thatc Kanye is and has been one of the best producers in the game since like 98 and has by far been one of the best selling at that. Let's talk about lyrical content, how much of the bullshit you hear in popular hip hop/rap about drugs, jewelry, guns, cars and rims do you hear in this album? Right... He made a quality album devoid of that shit with only joking (and DAMN witty) references at such content. Bitching about samples? Listen to the album and name ONE sample that was on it without reading the liner notes Other than "Through the wire." Okay, the last point was unfair, because I can do that personally, but ONLY because I own so many CDs and included in the collection are a lot of the old shit he used... Now factor in the automaic soft spot I have on my heart for this man to succeed. Several members on this very site know I was in an acciden on 06/15, in which I ezperienced the EXACT same injuries he did in HIS wreck in 10/02. Yes, all of them, head trauma, broken arm (mine was a shoulder) and, most noticeable, broken Jaw... His was broken in 3 places and required reconstructive surgery, mine was in one place and was more of a simple process, but a broken jaw is 6 weeks with your mouth wired shut...

I have now presented you with objective (supported by irrefutable fact) and subjective (my own fuckin opinion) fact WHY this album is as good as I say it is, now prove me wrong.

[Steeles]

they started playing the release version of the kanye/twista joint on the radio.. and holy hell that track is SO much hotter! I went to best buy to buy a copy and they were sold out! fawkers!

right thurr still sucks ass and would be instantly deleted from the playlist as would that new single. holidae inn stays on the strength of a Snoop hook Ludas verse and that one line from chingy about the valet. my car shall be back on the road this weekend and I hope to hell its a long ass time before I have to listen to radio play the same 10 songs over and over afuckinggain. I swear I went to three different stations and heard the SAME SONG ON ALL THREE. I thought I hadnt hit the right button and I was on the same staion unfucking real. god I hate radio.

[morpheus8486]

You people need to start listening to some real music, like tool or the deftones. I hope I'm not the only hard rocker that thinks this. There is music that is so much better than all those main-stream rappers.

[camppain]

uhhhh........... Kanye West is no where near a "mainstream" rapper. How can youjudge a music you don't listen to. Know what your talking about before you make a specious statement.

And thanks Phlp, I totally agree with you on his cd. I too have the bootleg version, and the release is even that much better (hard to believe)! Plus the fact that he's from Chi town makes him even that much better!

word!

[Baka Sama]

0.02 cents... main stream rap is :ghey: Actually I only like maybe 20% of the stuff that comes out. Underground or main stream. However just because you took so much time to post about it, I will go and download Kanye West: The College Dropout.. Until then I will be blasting Crystal method and waiting for linkin park and N.E.R.D's new cd to come out.

[Steeles]

I had an epiphany the other day while listening to Ludacris's new album. As crappy as most radio rap is.. I can no longer blindly hate the artist responsible for it. the absolute BIGGEST musical market right now is the young teenage market. this is the same market that buys all that boy band 98 degrees backstreet boy brittney christina american idol TRL crap. as much as it is about the music its about them making money as well. and if they have to cater to the idiots to make money I really cant fault them for that. it dosent mean they suck as an artist (which still very well may be the case, I just wanna wait befor emaking that decree from now on) just that they are more about money than music. and looking at those type of doller signs.... I can not honestly say I wouldnt do the same damn thing. some of those idiots can actually rap. as witnessed by Chingy's verse on Ludacris's "we got"

B <---enlightened on some KRS-1 next level type ish

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Steeles

I had an epiphany the other day while listening to Ludacris's new album. As crappy as most radio rap is.. I can no longer blindly hate the artist responsible for it. the absolute BIGGEST musical market right now is the young teenage market. this is the same market that buys all that boy band 98 degrees backstreet boy brittney christina american idol TRL crap.

B <---enlightened on some KRS-1 next level type ish

B, you are one of my 10 best friends on the planet and chronological time is waht keeps you outta the top 10 dude, no shit... With that, I would think YOU know better. Don't dis american idol, while on one occasion, the properly talented individual has won the COMPETITION, he has fallen behind in the ultimate game. Kelly Clarkson is not as talented as her having won idol would suggest, and Clay Aiken is not near as talented as even his SECOND place finish suggested. I get gift certificates to target from work all the time and use them on CDs most of the time, and last week, I quit playing and BOUGHT Ruben's CD and I was pleasently surprised. I EXPECTED that he would use the novelty of having won American Idol to sell a substandard product based on simple name recognition, but INSTEAD made a quality product that showcased talent and songwriting ability... I actually pulled some trim listening to it in Preston's car (with my system, of course) around some broads at the mall friday, no shit. I am impressed to say the least.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by camppain

uhhhh........... Kanye West is no where near a "mainstream" rapper. How can youjudge a music you don't listen to. Know what your talking about before you make a specious statement.

And thanks Phlp, I totally agree with you on his cd. I too have the bootleg version, and the release is even that much better (hard to believe)! Plus the fact that he's from Chi town makes him even that much better!

word!

Camp, having had his mixtapes "I'm Good" and "Kon the Louis Vuitton Don" coming into my having had the bootleg version of "College Dropout" almost 2 months early had my opinions of what to expect from the retail version of "The College Dropout" very high, probably unfairly high... The Addendums made to the album in that month and 3 weeks made for a product that I, as a HUGE music (and not only hip-hop) fan could NOT have been prepared for. On the other hand, I share the attention to small details and NOTICED the addition of background vocals, pauses in beats, additional instrumentation to beats, changes in vocal pitch (indicative of re-recording of songs) add-ons to the ends of songs and EVERYTHGING he did to change the album. Now pepper in the 12+ minute "Last Call," where he spits the 3 verses that got him his recording contract with Roc-A-Fella and THEN talks about how he got the deal after being passed over and fronted on BEFORE actually getting the deal on some REALLY witty punchlines and damn good verses. Now that his album has come out, lets not forget that he will be working with my favorite hip hop group, The Roots, and hip hop solo artist, Common (also a Chicago native, mind you) on THEIR forthcoming albums, let's not forget that Kanye has been the best sellign beatmaker in hip hop/rap since early 1999, when he worked with MASE of all people

[Skidd_MARK]

i got the cd a few days ago and i'm hooked

that song kanyes with dilated peoples "this way" is hot

my fav tracks are
# never let down, jesus walks, last call, family business, through the wire, and two words

the other songs are still hot aswell

[Steeles]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

B, you are one of my 10 best friends on the planet and chronological time is waht keeps you outta the top 10 dude, no shit... With that, I would think YOU know better. Don't dis american idol, while on one occasion, the properly talented individual has won the COMPETITION, he has fallen behind in the ultimate game. Kelly Clarkson is not as talented as her having won idol would suggest, and Clay Aiken is not near as talented as even his SECOND place finish suggested. I get gift certificates to target from work all the time and use them on CDs most of the time, and last week, I quit playing and BOUGHT Ruben's CD and I was pleasently surprised. I EXPECTED that he would use the novelty of having won American Idol to sell a substandard product based on simple name recognition, but INSTEAD made a quality product that showcased talent and songwriting ability... I actually pulled some trim listening to it in Preston's car (with my system, of course) around some broads at the mall friday, no shit. I am impressed to say the least.

Im one of your 10 best but time keeps me out of the top ten? I thought we told you to stay away from the devils piss that is yeungling? anyway the american idol thing was thrown in as crap from a mere marketing standpoint. yes Rubens album is good. Moms copped it and I listened.

that is all... gotta get back under the dash and find some fuel

[Baka Sama]

lol You know I was at work today and believe it or not thats all they were talking about.. And it just hit me... Isnt this the guy that got in a car wreck and had to have his jaw wired shut, then he came out with that song were he rapped with the wired jaw? I think it was to "through the fire" right? hm... I wasnt really interested at first... I thought the guy was another jayz type, but all these people talking about it makes me wanna go pick it up

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Steeles

Im one of your 10 best but time keeps me out of the top ten? I thought we told you to stay away from the devils piss that is yeungling?

Top 5, bish... Matter of fact, you're out of the top 10 now, I'm coming to kill you this weekend...

[Steeles]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

Top 5, bish... Matter of fact, you're out of the top 10 now, I'm coming to kill you this weekend...

well read what you wrote fucker and you got a LOOONG way Im heeaded for New Orleans this weekend for much drunkeng debachery at Mardi Gras with that other Dread from ATL

[YourHero]

the new Kanye is dope, haven't heard a CD lately where EVERY single track is addicting. Definitely the best album i've heard in a while, i thought 50 Cent's breakout album was good, as in it had alot of tracks that you could instantly get into, but Kanye's beats it by a mile.

[Got Sileighty?]

no wonder i couldnt find this thread...check out the title! hahahaha ok anyway...


yes i think this album is now one of my all-time favorites. ive listened to it over and over for the past 2 days (about 6 repeats now). i kinda get what that person said earlier how the songs sound similar though. its probably because you can play the album from start to finish and not have to skip any tracks. plus all of them have this "chill" feel to them.

oh philip, about getting the goosebumps, "family business" did it for me hehehe.

[method2833]

I GOT TWO WORDS FOR U PEOPLE JESUS WALKS hottest song on the album yes i do think so!!!!!!

[Kreator]

ummm and more than 20 seconds of rap, hip hop or soul crap wonna make me throw up. Why do we have 2 posts about one crappy album on one page??

[Skidd_MARK]

he's going to be in the the bayarea on sat for 20 bucks
i'm gonna go

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Kreator

ummm and more than 20 seconds of rap, hip hop or soul crap wonna make me throw up. Why do we have 2 posts about one crappy album on one page??

Then throw up and keep moving without cursing OUR lives with your presence... It took much more effort to bitch about it than it did to ignore the threads. Me? I got time to waste, so watch me do just that.

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Originally Posted by Kreator

ummm and more than 20 seconds of rap, hip hop or soul crap wonna make me throw up. Why do we have 2 posts about one crappy album on one page??

You must be one dumb fuck. For S-erious.

[elevator]

Here's my $0.02...

[TRUENOCOUPE]

japs...

Another dumb asians.

Originally Posted by gladhatter

Here's my $0.02...

[Got Sileighty?]

ok now its a racial thing wtf?...funny, i thought the thread was about Kanye West's really great album???

i hope this doesnt get locked, but if it is, then...IB4TL!

[240Stilo]

Haha...I was gonna start a thread on this too. Jesus Walks is the shit...period. I like the last song also; it's the one where he starts telling his whole story and how he bacame the producer/rapper that he is now. I'm gonna be looking forward to Kanye's future work. He also has a song out with Dilated Pupils (sp?) that is good as well. I would have pirated his cd too but after I heard a lot of the tracks I decided this guy needs support cuz basically...he's the shit right now. The only other cd i bought recently was OutKast- Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. But, I'm liking the Kanye West more.

Lastly, those who hate on things just cuz it's mainstream need to take their head out their ass because it's just as bad as being a bandwagon jumper.