Would you "trade" your S14 for a '90 300zx??? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

stevebsvs · 10-02-2003, 04:14 PM

this is a spur of the moment thing. My 95 240sx is stock with minor upgrades:

2.5" catback powertech exhaust
intake
Denso Iridium spark plugs
OBX 10.5mm wires
brembo cross drilled, slotted rotors X 4
Strut tower brace
Battle Version Rear Upper Control Arms

pics of the car (last year) are here at http://stevebsvs.nismo.org

Would you trade my car in for a 1990 300ZX NA in clean clean condition (manual tranny, ttops)?????

I wanna prevent myself from making a spur of the moment decision, since my friend is the car salesman!!

Dousan_PG · 10-02-2003, 04:15 PM

absolutely NOT

TT...i'd consider it.

stevebsvs · 10-02-2003, 04:23 PM

I know...but I want a standard!!

lol

and TTOPS

..

Is there something I should know bout 300's? are there flaws...my friend says they have some electrical issues.

Dousan_PG · 10-02-2003, 04:25 PM

electrical
engine work (have you seeen the engine of a Z? you lose tools in there and cant reach stuff. also its heavy. nto as heavy as a supra but still hefty

lack of power and decent mods on NA

that'swhy i say, a TT consider it. NA is junk, IMHO
ive driven a heavily modded TT..near 450 rwhp..love it. LOVE it.

NA..blaaaah.

its this car 2+2?

stevebsvs · 10-02-2003, 04:29 PM

I hear ya. Im going to find out more about the car. I heard about it from a friend of mine. Im going to talk to the used car guy, her brother and see what I can find out. I do love the lightness of the 240....

sorry for my ignorance, but what's 2+2 signify?

Yoshi · 10-02-2003, 04:31 PM

4 person seating, 2front, 2 rear

OptionZero · 10-02-2003, 05:41 PM

You should think about what you want your car for.

You won't be AutoXing or drifting a 300zx anytime soon. It's also not a drag car. The N/a suffers from a poor aftermarket.

So are you getting a car just to pimp in and drive around town? Were you planning to "finish" the 240?

I thought the 300zx weighed 3600lbs, to me, few cars can call themselves pure sports cars or be very entertaining when they are that heavy.

Meanwhilst, the 240 has like a swiss army knife- endless potential to battle anywhere, mountain, track, strip, autoX, drift, freeway.

Your car is a '95. The 3z is '90. Thats old.

stevebsvs · 10-02-2003, 05:47 PM

excellent point....I want more of a fast drag car...not too enthuzed bout autocrossing or drifting. I know I'd kill myself on the track/road.

I dont know, but I am alot less enthusiastic about the trade so far. Im gonna actually see the car tonight and will have made up my mind.

I love the quick feedback. Thanks guys!

JasonNagra · 10-02-2003, 05:49 PM

S13 and S14 (especially S13 IMO) is just much more fun to drive even with KA compared to n/a Z. Just me though.

BadMoJo · 10-02-2003, 07:18 PM

Dont do it. Just take one look under the hood at the engine, and from underneth... its a freaking nightmare to work on. I would never get one just for that reason alone.

OptionZero · 10-02-2003, 08:53 PM

Even the turbo 3Z isn't a good drag car! Its rear suspension geometry despises traction, so no way to launch it effectively. And, its TOO FREAKIN" HEAVY. A n/a 3z would be even stupid on the strip, its embarassing.
The 3z is an old man's GT car...you cruise on the street and pimp with it, but its not pure sports.

Dousan_PG · 10-02-2003, 09:02 PM

funny. i know of guys w/ turbo zs who run w/ stock turbos and a RELATIVELY stock setup that runs high 11s lows 12

its all about the driver!!

i believe a local so cali guy w/ a z32tt has 700ish rwhp on his z32tt. no its not like a supra but its also not a i-6. different kind of car.

i think your talking out of your ass.

btw, supras are HEAVIER then a z32tt! HAHA

SimpleS14 · 10-02-2003, 09:13 PM

Simple Answer: NO

Chernobyl · 10-02-2003, 10:50 PM

Only way I'd trade my s14 for a z32 is if the z32 was 2 seater, NA, 5speed, NO t-tops (slicktop), charcoal gray, cloth non-power interior, and NO bose. That's just me though... I'm still looking for that perfect lightweight slicktop z32. Do what you want, take the Z for a spin, I think you'll be impressed, even with the NA. Porky car, but I never complained about mine, and it was a 2+2 auto

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-03-2003, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dousan36
i believe a local so cali guy w/ a z32tt has 700ish rwhp on his z32tt. no its not like a supra but its also not a i-6. different kind of car.

I've driven that car

.

Before you call

, it was while I worked at the stealership. I never got it above 10mph! hahaha
but i did go and pick the guy up from his house so he could drive it home. Really nice guy & super knowledgable. I LOOOVE his wheels... 3pc HREs... 17x10 in rear, iirc.. MKIV Supra front brakes... omg. his car was NICE. Interior looked stock, as did exterior, except for wheels. BAD ASS.

russian · 10-03-2003, 08:28 AM

unless you have access to a shop say bye-buy to working on the engine. i wouldnt take it unless its a TT

**West** · 10-03-2003, 08:41 AM

Hard decision. I had a 93 2+2 NA with almost all the bolt-ons and I loved the thing. It handled great despite its weight and hauled ass for have what at the time was estimated 270hp at the crank. Working on the engine is a HUGE PITA. I swapped in Headers on mine and OMG, I might as well just pulled the whole engine. They are two totally different cars, both have their benefits and drawback. Think about what you love about the 240.. then the 300... then decide, should be simple.

misnomer · 10-03-2003, 10:20 AM

hehehe, I'm the only one who would consider it? I'd definitely do it if the Z wasn't a 2+2.

Very important: what kind of mileage and condition are both cars?

Toso · 10-03-2003, 01:02 PM

I've had a 98 S14 and a 90 Z32TT. I'd say its really up to you. They're differnt cars, with different strengths and weaknesses. And I'd like to point out for the 'Z expert' (OptionZero) that the Z32 and S14 have the same rear end 'issue' with traction. You just dont notice it in the S14 because the stock KA (what OptionZero has) there just isnt as much power to feel it as readily. Trust me, they do the exact same thing. Yes, they are hard to work on, but you get used to it. And after that car, not many things scare you. Test drive the car and see which you like better. But I would recommend going for a TT over an NA. But thats a no brainer.

OptionZero · 10-03-2003, 03:43 PM

FYI, i'm not 3Z expert. Just going from what i read and hear from guys who have 3Z. And on other forums.

I was unaware of the traction issue on 240sx's.

I just relaly like the versatility of the 240, potential in all aspects.

Toso · 10-03-2003, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
FYI, i'm not 3Z expert. Just going from what i read and hear from guys who have 3Z. And on other forums.

I was unaware of the traction issue on 240sx's.

I just relaly like the versatility of the 240, potential in all aspects.

You say you're not a Z32 expert but you make some pretty bold statements. Lets address them shall we...

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
You won't be AutoXing or drifting a 300zx anytime soon. It's also not a drag car.

The reason you dont see more of them at the track is because of the price. You see tons of civics and integras there. Does that mean they are the ultimate car? What does that say about cars you never see at the track? Does that mean that the Lotus Elise would be horrible for AutoX? I kinda doubt that. I'll admit that they cost more to upgrade than a lot of other cars but you get what you pay for.

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
The N/a suffers from a poor aftermarket.

No, it doesn't. It uses the exact same parts that the TT uses. Of course you wont be buying bov's and intercoolers for it. But thats because its NA.

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
I thought the 300zx weighed 3600lbs, to me, few cars can call themselves pure sports cars or be very entertaining when they are that heavy.

Haha, have you driven one? Not entertaining? I would be willing to bet that a stock Z32 handles better than your S14 with your mods. All that and almost twice the power stock. You're right, that doesnt sound entertaining does it?

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
Your car is a '95. The 3z is '90. Thats old.

Maybe its just me, but I think the condition of the car is a little more important than the age. There are plenty of older cars that I'd love to have.

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
Its rear suspension geometry despises traction, so no way to launch it effectively.

I'd love to hear you explanation as to why this is? Then we can both share a laugh because the S chassis cars share the same rear end design. And then we can talk about how you can deal with this issue. I'll be waiting for your explanation.

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
A n/a 3z would be even stupid on the strip, its embarassing.

I'll agree that they aren't blindingly fast. But I'd wager that its still faster than your car.

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
The 3z is an old man's GT car...you cruise on the street and pimp with it, but its not pure sports.

Thats hilarious. I think we should just take a moment to reflect on the vast amounts of information that you've given us to lead us all to that conclusion.... ok that's long enough. We're all entitled to our opinions, I just dont get how you could say this. Please explain.

Quote:

Originally posted by OptionZero
I just relaly like the versatility of the 240, potential in all aspects.

So you're implying that the Z32 has no potential? Lets examine that. I would be willing to bet that given the same mods on an S14 and a Z32, the Z32 will make more power. We probably shouldn't even talk about the difference if we put the parts on a TT. Upgraded suspension will do about the same for each car. Have you ever thought it was interesting how a decent amount of stock Z32 parts are upgrades for S chassis cars?

I just want to hear your explanations for all of the 'facts' and 'opinions' you have shared with us.

I happen to like both cars. I just think your information is a bit off.

Looking forward to your reply.

Dousan_PG · 10-03-2003, 04:54 PM

anxiously awaiting reply...

but i feel somebody's....

Red · 10-03-2003, 05:19 PM

Well... I would do a Z if it was TT and if the Insurance was as cheep as my 240

Thats why I passed up a nice pearl TTZ for my 240... it was like 400$ a month ins at the time... the 240 was only 320.

But for ultra car... I'll stick with the 240... Much lighter and you can stick in a vast array of engines to beef it up to any want.

Bluestick · 10-03-2003, 05:29 PM

Hi!
lol, all i got to say is, don't trade!!! the 240 has alot more potential then the 3z.

nrcooled · 10-03-2003, 06:12 PM

[B}My[/B] 240 fits My driving style. That is most important. Find the one that fits your tastes. I personally don't like the feel of a Z just a hair too heavy and a bit sluggish around the corners (felt like it needed too much steering imput) But other then that it's not bad.

russian · 10-03-2003, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Toso
You say you're not a Z32 expert but you make some pretty bold statements. Lets address them shall we...
The reason you dont see more of them at the track is because of the price.
Looking forward to your reply.

stevebsvs · 10-03-2003, 07:26 PM

Guys guys guys!!!!

This is why I love zilvia.net!!!

I took a look at the car last night. That particular car is ok...I wouldn't have paid more than $4,000 for it though. It's clean, but still could be cleaner. They want $6,500 and that's way too much for an NA z...

I thought about my car...and felt like I cheated on it! LOL... I love my car, the ride, the suspension, the lightweightedness and the sleek look of it. However the only thing I dont like is that it's a freakin automatic

. I so yearn for the chance to swap my tranny.

I have two roads in front of me. The first is to put a couple grand into mine, and turbo'ing the KA, swapping the tranny, new rims, and a nismo or greddy kit. This will run me some cash and won't happen soon. The outcome will definitely be a tight, fast car, however I dont see myself at a track anytime soon. Maybe after I graduate in May, land the dream job, and manage my school loans.

The second road is to either invest in a 91+ 300ZX TT 2 seater, upgrade it and have the "ultimate z". I see myself spending almost the same in cash for upgrades and custom work. However, Im sure that the z will be more of a fast, drag car than the 240 with the same amount of cash thrown into it.

So, my conclusion is to keep my 240 unless I come across a TT that I cannot turn away from (perhaps modded with the cleanest interior and fairly low mileage, and a resonable price). I know Im dreaming, but that's what it's gonna take...

PS. I am looking forward to that guy's reply too!!!

OptionZero · 10-03-2003, 07:48 PM

I'm a man, i'll fess up:

I probably shouldn't have said what I did because i didn't know what i thought i did.

So you are probably correct.

That said:

Wouldn't it seem easier to make a 155hp, 2800lbs car fast t han to make a 220hp, 3600lbs car fast?

And as others have pointed out, the 3z engine bay is a pretty tight fit. Sure it has 3.0 liters to deal with, but also nearly half a ton more to move.

A 240 has an easy SR solution. 220hp, 2800s with a stock SR. nobody here needs me to tell them that. You tell me, is it easy to bring a n/a 3z to even a stock 3z's level of 300hp?

As for price, doesn't an early '90's turbo 3Z go for around 12G's or less? They have been around 6 years, '90-'96 if memory serves my correctly. A naturally aspirated 3Z would be under 10G's, the same as a very good condition 97-98 s14. So if you want one, you can likely find one. Obviously, insurance plays a big factor.

Rear anti-squat geometry?
Got that from this quote:
"Additionally, the suspension geometry in the rear discouraged any squat at drag starts; in fact, it could produce a bit of annoying wheel hop." - SCC, pg98 jun '03
Certainly, SCC is not the gospel, but in their own project car, they also had problems at the drag strip.
Yes, the S-chassis does share parts wiith the 3Z, but i simply have not read anyone on this forum talk about traction problems. Then also, in SCC's attempt to make Project 240 run 12's at the strip, they did not mention any similar problems with the rear suspension.

Again, i am not saying SCC is right, but i have taken neither a 3Z nor my 240 to a drag strip, so that is what i based my conclusion on.

As for a stock z32 vs. a 240...were you talking about a turbo 3z? Because at 220 hp, a 3z has no where near twice the power as a 155hp. And i dunno, has anyone seen a n/a z32 vs. 240 stock for stock battle on the track?

in another thread at FA, a few people reported some mid-high 15sec times at the strip. Is the n/a 3z any better?

As for why 3z parts are used on a 240, well, it doesn't seem THAT interesting to me. The 3Z began life as a $40,000 sports car, i'm sure nissan did their work designing it. Why are their parts so often found on a 240?

The stock 3z brakes were designed to stop a 3600lbs car. Seems to me that would be a pretty big upgrade on a car weighing around 2800lbs. Same braking force, less mass to stop.
Availablility also plays a big part. Six year production run, there's gonna be some junked 3z's obviously. then, top that off with 3z owners who have upgraded their brakes and no longer need their stock brake hardware, and you have yourself a good source of extra stopping power.

What other stuff? a 3z MAF? isn't that because the 3Z has a 3.0, and therefore would naturally have more air going into it? Apply that MAF to a 2.4L engine, and its an upgrade. Again, i do not have a 3Z MAF on my 240, but that is what i have gathered from my time here. Correct me if i am wrong, please.

What else from a 3Z goes on a 240?

So yeah, i really DO think you know more then 3Z's than me. And yes, i probably WAS talking out of my ass. I'd just like to see why my arguments were so wrong. Besides, most people came to the same conclusion, including dousan himself...they wouldn't trade the 240 for a n/a 3z.

And sorry, OT, but i was at school, so i didn't always get to check Zilvia. And my f#cking Giants had to blow Games 2 and 3, F#ckin jose cruz...

*ca18guy* · 10-03-2003, 08:48 PM

Just to clear something up that seems to be out of place in this thread.... a 1990 300ZX n/a only weighs 3219lbs! For comparison a 350Z perf. model weighs 3217lbs.

zenkiDori · 10-03-2003, 09:01 PM

never. just about the only car in the US that i would trade my S14 for and keep would be an FD3S.

10-02-2003, 04:14 PM	#1
stevebsvs Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 44 Posts: 211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Would you "trade" your S14 for a '90 300zx??? this is a spur of the moment thing. My 95 240sx is stock with minor upgrades: 2.5" catback powertech exhaust intake Denso Iridium spark plugs OBX 10.5mm wires brembo cross drilled, slotted rotors X 4 Strut tower brace Battle Version Rear Upper Control Arms pics of the car (last year) are here at http://stevebsvs.nismo.org Would you trade my car in for a 1990 300ZX NA in clean clean condition (manual tranny, ttops)????? I wanna prevent myself from making a spur of the moment decision, since my friend is the car salesman!! __________________

10-02-2003, 04:15 PM	#2
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	absolutely NOT TT...i'd consider it. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

10-02-2003, 04:23 PM	#3
stevebsvs Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 44 Posts: 211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I know...but I want a standard!! lol and TTOPS .. Is there something I should know bout 300's? are there flaws...my friend says they have some electrical issues. __________________

10-02-2003, 04:25 PM	#4
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	electrical engine work (have you seeen the engine of a Z? you lose tools in there and cant reach stuff. also its heavy. nto as heavy as a supra but still hefty lack of power and decent mods on NA that'swhy i say, a TT consider it. NA is junk, IMHO ive driven a heavily modded TT..near 450 rwhp..love it. LOVE it. NA..blaaaah. its this car 2+2? __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

10-02-2003, 04:29 PM	#5
stevebsvs Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 44 Posts: 211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I hear ya. Im going to find out more about the car. I heard about it from a friend of mine. Im going to talk to the used car guy, her brother and see what I can find out. I do love the lightness of the 240.... sorry for my ignorance, but what's 2+2 signify? __________________

10-02-2003, 04:31 PM	#6
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 48 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	4 person seating, 2front, 2 rear __________________ www.360realms.com/S13-S15

10-02-2003, 05:41 PM	#7
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	You should think about what you want your car for. You won't be AutoXing or drifting a 300zx anytime soon. It's also not a drag car. The N/a suffers from a poor aftermarket. So are you getting a car just to pimp in and drive around town? Were you planning to "finish" the 240? I thought the 300zx weighed 3600lbs, to me, few cars can call themselves pure sports cars or be very entertaining when they are that heavy. Meanwhilst, the 240 has like a swiss army knife- endless potential to battle anywhere, mountain, track, strip, autoX, drift, freeway. Your car is a '95. The 3z is '90. Thats old.

10-02-2003, 05:47 PM	#8
stevebsvs Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 44 Posts: 211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	excellent point....I want more of a fast drag car...not too enthuzed bout autocrossing or drifting. I know I'd kill myself on the track/road. I dont know, but I am alot less enthusiastic about the trade so far. Im gonna actually see the car tonight and will have made up my mind. I love the quick feedback. Thanks guys! __________________

10-02-2003, 05:49 PM	#9
JasonNagra Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Beach Posts: 1,349 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	S13 and S14 (especially S13 IMO) is just much more fun to drive even with KA compared to n/a Z. Just me though. __________________ http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...f/f9dc7664.jpg Edit: check your link.

10-02-2003, 07:18 PM	#10
BadMoJo Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo, Ca Age: 43 Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Dont do it. Just take one look under the hood at the engine, and from underneth... its a freaking nightmare to work on. I would never get one just for that reason alone. __________________ ----Gone----

10-02-2003, 08:53 PM	#11
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Even the turbo 3Z isn't a good drag car! Its rear suspension geometry despises traction, so no way to launch it effectively. And, its TOO FREAKIN" HEAVY. A n/a 3z would be even stupid on the strip, its embarassing. The 3z is an old man's GT car...you cruise on the street and pimp with it, but its not pure sports.

10-02-2003, 09:02 PM	#12
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	funny. i know of guys w/ turbo zs who run w/ stock turbos and a RELATIVELY stock setup that runs high 11s lows 12 its all about the driver!! i believe a local so cali guy w/ a z32tt has 700ish rwhp on his z32tt. no its not like a supra but its also not a i-6. different kind of car. i think your talking out of your ass. btw, supras are HEAVIER then a z32tt! HAHA __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

10-02-2003, 09:13 PM	#13
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 42 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Simple Answer: NO __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

10-02-2003, 10:50 PM	#14
Chernobyl Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Age: 42 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Only way I'd trade my s14 for a z32 is if the z32 was 2 seater, NA, 5speed, NO t-tops (slicktop), charcoal gray, cloth non-power interior, and NO bose. That's just me though... I'm still looking for that perfect lightweight slicktop z32. Do what you want, take the Z for a spin, I think you'll be impressed, even with the NA. Porky car, but I never complained about mine, and it was a 2+2 auto

10-03-2003, 08:28 AM	#16
russian Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dallas TX Age: 42 Posts: 1,336 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	unless you have access to a shop say bye-buy to working on the engine. i wouldnt take it unless its a TT __________________ I must break you.

10-03-2003, 08:41 AM	#17
West OMNOMNOMNOM Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Denver, CO Age: 44 Posts: 6,456 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: West Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hard decision. I had a 93 2+2 NA with almost all the bolt-ons and I loved the thing. It handled great despite its weight and hauled ass for have what at the time was estimated 270hp at the crank. Working on the engine is a HUGE PITA. I swapped in Headers on mine and OMG, I might as well just pulled the whole engine. They are two totally different cars, both have their benefits and drawback. Think about what you love about the 240.. then the 300... then decide, should be simple. __________________ West - Zilvia.net - Toyobaru.net - NapkinSketch.com

10-03-2003, 10:20 AM	#18
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hehehe, I'm the only one who would consider it? I'd definitely do it if the Z wasn't a 2+2. Very important: what kind of mileage and condition are both cars? __________________ Rowsdower saves us and saves all the world!

10-03-2003, 01:02 PM	#19
Toso Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 145 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've had a 98 S14 and a 90 Z32TT. I'd say its really up to you. They're differnt cars, with different strengths and weaknesses. And I'd like to point out for the 'Z expert' (OptionZero) that the Z32 and S14 have the same rear end 'issue' with traction. You just dont notice it in the S14 because the stock KA (what OptionZero has) there just isnt as much power to feel it as readily. Trust me, they do the exact same thing. Yes, they are hard to work on, but you get used to it. And after that car, not many things scare you. Test drive the car and see which you like better. But I would recommend going for a TT over an NA. But thats a no brainer. __________________ Aaron 90 Z32TT stage XI or so...

10-03-2003, 03:43 PM	#20
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	FYI, i'm not 3Z expert. Just going from what i read and hear from guys who have 3Z. And on other forums. I was unaware of the traction issue on 240sx's. I just relaly like the versatility of the 240, potential in all aspects.

10-03-2003, 04:54 PM	#22
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	anxiously awaiting reply... but i feel somebody's.... __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

10-03-2003, 05:19 PM	#23
Red Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vancouver, WA - Portland, OR Age: 44 Posts: 734 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well... I would do a Z if it was TT and if the Insurance was as cheep as my 240 Thats why I passed up a nice pearl TTZ for my 240... it was like 400$ a month ins at the time... the 240 was only 320. But for ultra car... I'll stick with the 240... Much lighter and you can stick in a vast array of engines to beef it up to any want. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/509537 http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287415487 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=21036

10-03-2003, 05:29 PM	#24
Bluestick Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: sac Age: 41 Posts: 20 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hi! lol, all i got to say is, don't trade!!! the 240 has alot more potential then the 3z.

10-03-2003, 06:12 PM	#25
nrcooled Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Turn 8 'bout to get rolled by a SC'd ITR Age: 46 Posts: 1,849 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	[B}My[/B] 240 fits My driving style. That is most important. Find the one that fits your tastes. I personally don't like the feel of a Z just a hair too heavy and a bit sluggish around the corners (felt like it needed too much steering imput) But other then that it's not bad. __________________ '91 hatch w/ SR Sold; '03 Evo Sold 401 HP; '03 MS Protege sold; '00 Evo 6.5 TME Sold 300HP

10-03-2003, 07:26 PM	#27
stevebsvs Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 44 Posts: 211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Guys guys guys!!!! This is why I love zilvia.net!!! I took a look at the car last night. That particular car is ok...I wouldn't have paid more than $4,000 for it though. It's clean, but still could be cleaner. They want $6,500 and that's way too much for an NA z... I thought about my car...and felt like I cheated on it! LOL... I love my car, the ride, the suspension, the lightweightedness and the sleek look of it. However the only thing I dont like is that it's a freakin automatic . I so yearn for the chance to swap my tranny. I have two roads in front of me. The first is to put a couple grand into mine, and turbo'ing the KA, swapping the tranny, new rims, and a nismo or greddy kit. This will run me some cash and won't happen soon. The outcome will definitely be a tight, fast car, however I dont see myself at a track anytime soon. Maybe after I graduate in May, land the dream job, and manage my school loans. The second road is to either invest in a 91+ 300ZX TT 2 seater, upgrade it and have the "ultimate z". I see myself spending almost the same in cash for upgrades and custom work. However, Im sure that the z will be more of a fast, drag car than the 240 with the same amount of cash thrown into it. So, my conclusion is to keep my 240 unless I come across a TT that I cannot turn away from (perhaps modded with the cleanest interior and fairly low mileage, and a resonable price). I know Im dreaming, but that's what it's gonna take... PS. I am looking forward to that guy's reply too!!! __________________

10-03-2003, 07:48 PM	#28
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I'm a man, i'll fess up: I probably shouldn't have said what I did because i didn't know what i thought i did. So you are probably correct. That said: Wouldn't it seem easier to make a 155hp, 2800lbs car fast t han to make a 220hp, 3600lbs car fast? And as others have pointed out, the 3z engine bay is a pretty tight fit. Sure it has 3.0 liters to deal with, but also nearly half a ton more to move. A 240 has an easy SR solution. 220hp, 2800s with a stock SR. nobody here needs me to tell them that. You tell me, is it easy to bring a n/a 3z to even a stock 3z's level of 300hp? As for price, doesn't an early '90's turbo 3Z go for around 12G's or less? They have been around 6 years, '90-'96 if memory serves my correctly. A naturally aspirated 3Z would be under 10G's, the same as a very good condition 97-98 s14. So if you want one, you can likely find one. Obviously, insurance plays a big factor. Rear anti-squat geometry? Got that from this quote: "Additionally, the suspension geometry in the rear discouraged any squat at drag starts; in fact, it could produce a bit of annoying wheel hop." - SCC, pg98 jun '03 Certainly, SCC is not the gospel, but in their own project car, they also had problems at the drag strip. Yes, the S-chassis does share parts wiith the 3Z, but i simply have not read anyone on this forum talk about traction problems. Then also, in SCC's attempt to make Project 240 run 12's at the strip, they did not mention any similar problems with the rear suspension. Again, i am not saying SCC is right, but i have taken neither a 3Z nor my 240 to a drag strip, so that is what i based my conclusion on. As for a stock z32 vs. a 240...were you talking about a turbo 3z? Because at 220 hp, a 3z has no where near twice the power as a 155hp. And i dunno, has anyone seen a n/a z32 vs. 240 stock for stock battle on the track? in another thread at FA, a few people reported some mid-high 15sec times at the strip. Is the n/a 3z any better? As for why 3z parts are used on a 240, well, it doesn't seem THAT interesting to me. The 3Z began life as a $40,000 sports car, i'm sure nissan did their work designing it. Why are their parts so often found on a 240? The stock 3z brakes were designed to stop a 3600lbs car. Seems to me that would be a pretty big upgrade on a car weighing around 2800lbs. Same braking force, less mass to stop. Availablility also plays a big part. Six year production run, there's gonna be some junked 3z's obviously. then, top that off with 3z owners who have upgraded their brakes and no longer need their stock brake hardware, and you have yourself a good source of extra stopping power. What other stuff? a 3z MAF? isn't that because the 3Z has a 3.0, and therefore would naturally have more air going into it? Apply that MAF to a 2.4L engine, and its an upgrade. Again, i do not have a 3Z MAF on my 240, but that is what i have gathered from my time here. Correct me if i am wrong, please. What else from a 3Z goes on a 240? So yeah, i really DO think you know more then 3Z's than me. And yes, i probably WAS talking out of my ass. I'd just like to see why my arguments were so wrong. Besides, most people came to the same conclusion, including dousan himself...they wouldn't trade the 240 for a n/a 3z. And sorry, OT, but i was at school, so i didn't always get to check Zilvia. And my f#cking Giants had to blow Games 2 and 3, F#ckin jose cruz... Last edited by OptionZero; 10-03-2003 at 07:54 PM..

10-03-2003, 08:48 PM	#29
ca18guy Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Clearwater FL Age: 42 Posts: 3,226 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ca18guy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just to clear something up that seems to be out of place in this thread.... a 1990 300ZX n/a only weighs 3219lbs! For comparison a 350Z perf. model weighs 3217lbs.

10-03-2003, 09:01 PM	#30
zenkiDori Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 384 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	never. just about the only car in the US that i would trade my S14 for and keep would be an FD3S.

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