Suspension Setup! PLEASE HELP!!

[yusuke1923]

Hello all, I need all the help and opinions that I can get.

Well... before I buy my suspensions.
Actually... I can't decide on which one to get.
So you guys can help me out. All you people here have more experience than I have I figure. Ok.. here we go

I HAVE A 90' 240sx HATCHBACK...

SETUP (1)
EIBACH SPORTLINES
KONI YELLOWS

SETUP (2)
TEIN BASICS

SETUP (3)
EIBACH SPORTLINES
STOCK SUSPENSIONS

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What do you guys think is the best out of these three?
Can't wait to here some answers! Thanks ALL!!

[S14DB]

What are you planing on doing with the car?

I would replace the shocks and leave the springs before I would keep the stock shocks.

[DocTaDrifT]

SETUP (3)
EIBACH SPORTLINES
STOCK SUSPENSIONS

if you mean stock struts dont do it

it all depends on how low and or stiff you want your car to be

[Yeap]

Here's what I put in mine. With EDFC - Daily driver with track time on the weekends.



Right Front:
Camber = -1.1
Caster = 6.9
Toe = 0.08

Left Front:
Camber = -1.3
Caster = 7.0
Toe = 0.08

Right Rear:
Camber = -1.4
Toe = 0.20

Left Rear:
Camber = -1.2
Toe = 0.15

[yusuke1923]

OK.. so SETUP (3) is off my list then...
Not a good setup eh?
Well.. I want my car to handle ROAD RACING and DRIFTING...
Some of my friends say TEIN BASICS are good... But my other friends say KONI YELLOWS are good too, specially with the sportlines...

As for STRUTS... I want something that I can takes turns and drift turns...
As for ride hide, I know that the TEIN Basics are Ajustables, and the sportlines are lowering springs that will lower -2.5 F/R... Which is what I am looking for...

The TEIN Basics would cost me... $650
The Eiback Springs and KONI YELLOWS would cost me... $760



What do you guys think????

P.S. I want my car to be able to take turns and drift turns...
THANKS ALL!!

[yusuke1923]

Originally Posted by Yeap

Here's what I put in mine. With EDFC - Daily driver with track time on the weekends.



Right Front:
Camber = -1.1
Caster = 6.9
Toe = 0.08

Left Front:
Camber = -1.3
Caster = 7.0
Toe = 0.08

Right Rear:
Camber = -1.4
Toe = 0.20

Left Rear:
Camber = -1.2
Toe = 0.15

TEIN Basic compatible with EDFC??

[DocTaDrifT]

sportlines might not lower you car 2.5 inches some people say they do but some say they dont i know for a fact my sportlines didnt lower my car that much

[Ritz S14]

Originally Posted by yusuke1923

TEIN Basic compatible with EDFC??

Those are the FLEX series, not BASIC. IIRC Basic does not have a dampening adjustment.

[drift freaq]

ok Koni Yellows shock wise are just going to walk over Tein basic. Though you really need to do a little more research on suspension.
Alot of what you do setup wise depends on how low you want your car. It also depends on how serious you are about going all out. For street use you can do fine with a set of springs and shocks and they will work fine for a little track and some drifting. The big thing in drift setup is eliminating all of your body roll . You want to be able to slide the the car because you have no side to side motion i.e. body roll.
That given you do not need coilovers to drift or do some track. The advantages of coilovers though can be benificial if you like to change the ride height on your car for different road conditions. Want a shorter stroke dampner because your dropping your car 2 inches or more. For most drivers but the hardcore coilovers are overkill. Though quite a few people in forums run them because they are a balanced complete solution ( or they are supposed to be hahhahhahhahhaha) .
The theory is that the manufacturer has taken the guesswork out of matching the springs to shocks.
Coilovers often come with pillowball camber plates an added bonus thereby giving you camber adjustment.
In the end though your the only person that can really decide this.
I happen to be a big fan of Koni shock absorbers they are one of the best shocks made in the world. They do not use Koni in Formula one for no reason hahahhahhahha.
Again Eibach makes better springs than most of the spring manufacturers out there. I have seen shock dyno's for Teins and the are not pretty same goes for their springs which start to sag after a 2k mileage use wise .
Tein is basically your cheap ass brand in Japan. They have managed to make a name here because they got in early with offerings for setups for American cars and provided decent customer service .
Like I said earlier though you need to do more research. If you have friends with different suspensions in their 240's or other cars ask to check the car out go for a ride see how it feels to you.

[yusuke1923]

oh wow... i didn't know TEIN was like a LOW BRAND NAME over in japan...

[yusuke1923]

any more advice?

[DrSiD202]

i didnt know that either about Tein

[wootwoot]

Dont believe everything you hear here. ha!
But I would go for a slightly higher model of Tein, all suspension bushings, and thats pretty much it. Sway bars are not needed for a daily driver.

[OptionZero]

Have you been to the track/autox course yet?

if not...don't buy anything and drive for a while on the stock suspension before you even think about dropping $$$ on low end stuff.

I regret going shock/spring without ever having driven.

[MikeFD3S]

Originally Posted by yusuke1923

oh wow... i didn't know TEIN was like a LOW BRAND NAME over in japan...

This is why Tanabe is my suspension hero:

from http://www.tanabe-usa.com/coilovers/d-d.asp

Originally Posted by http://www.tanabe-usa.com/coilovers/d-d.asp#

There are many in the public who believe or market products in such a way to say that a coilover can make drifting easier. For drifting, the biggest upgrade to the car is the driver, and experience will go a long way in properly utilizing a suspension for what it is built for. In general, any adjustable coilover suspension (including 'drift' suspension) all have settings and spring rates that are found in, and are ideal for grip. For drifting, it is the driver alone and their personally developed settings and style that can make a vehicle drift.

Basically, why have a rebuild facility for something that isn't supposed to break?

[ultraDorksGarage]

tein:=
tein is not necessarily a low end product, they just have a wide range of products. i mean compared to an ohlins shock, yes tein is lower, but then again tein doesnt make their best products for our cars. as far as koni in F1, F1 is cantilever(sp?) no pivots on arms, leverageing super short strokes, kinda different from our suspension. id have to say thats comparing apples to oranges especially when considering the level of konis that are available to us. but thats just my .02

S.Tech springs:=
personally i ran Stech teins with kyb before switching to tein RA's. they were ok, however body roll was a bit much. i prefer more spring rather than more bar, so changing bar wasnt on my options list. my brother thinks my RA's are way too bouncy, but hes spoiled. the "track" i frequent has very low speed switchbacks that are off camber, the Stechs had a very low spring rate in the back, and helped in getting out of those low speed corners.

Full coilover:
not nesecarrilly the best investment, but hell i enjoy every cent of my RA's. my honest .02 is that its about the total package, if the rest of the package is not going to make use of the coilover's then honestly the difference between cheap shocks and springs vs coilovers will be negligible.

just my .02, hope my input is helpful



edit:just wanted to added mikefd3s is right, driver is main component to the "total package"

[yusuke1923]

Cool... learning a lot over here!