STICKY PLZ: I'm tired of this "...Plus PayPal Fees" Crap! - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

zomgdrft · 10-07-2007, 06:56 PM

I'm fairly certain this must've been discussed before, however I'm bringing it up again because I'm tired of seeing it pop up more and more as of late.

Let's put it simply: Requiring additional money (IE: Add 3% on top of asking price) to "cover" your fees is against PayPal's TOS. PayPal can and will be ban you for it. I lurk these forums and occasionally buy things and I haven't reported anybody but I will be doing so in the future if it doesn't change.

For private individuals: You are the sole owner of your paypal account. The purchaser/buyer isn't, and shouldn't be, penalized for the type of account you the seller has.

There are ways around this, however. If you want to get by this legally, the easiest way please add a "3% cash discount" to your items. Or increase all your items prices by 3% or do both. This is how many retailers handle it so I see no reason why it should be any different here. To much work? To bad, enjoy being banned from PayPal then.

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AznDrftr. · 10-07-2007, 07:04 PM

^I to was going to say something about this, but wanted more of the mods to jump in on this. Well said, i see this a lot now, as if they are losing money, not really.

But nice firm way to put it.

vutony · 10-07-2007, 07:25 PM

then send MO if you dont want to pay 3% more

gotta240 · 10-07-2007, 07:30 PM

Well said and good point.

Rasty180SX · 10-07-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vutony

then send MO if you dont want to pay 3% more

ummm...with MO you don't have any buyer protection. PAYPAL does.

vutony · 10-07-2007, 07:39 PM

^^then pay the fees, its an option

Paypal has buyer's protection? Its freaking weak. There are many loop holes. I loss a few hundred with them.

brokeAs240sx · 10-07-2007, 07:54 PM

You can also make an offer (i.e. w/o the paypal fees). Either it's worth 3% more to you, or not.

And shouldn't this go under Suggestions sub-forum?

*revat619* · 10-07-2007, 08:00 PM

First off, this is in the wrong section. You're not selling anything. MOVED.

Secondly, I understand where you're coming from, but i also see it from a sellers perspective.

Most of the time, people wont pay the sellers asking price anyway...so that rules out adding the 3% into the amount they're asking. Buyers will bitch and moan about a price like there's no tomorrow and THEN on top of that, the seller has to pay the 3% fees on the sale that he didnt receive the full amount for. So he loses even more money.

If the majority of 240sx owners werent so damn cheap this wouldnt be an issue.

Sil-Eighty SE-K · 10-07-2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revat619

I understand where you're coming from, but i also see it from a sellers perspective.

Most of the time, people wont pay the sellers asking price anyway...so that rules out adding the 3% into the amount they're asking. Buyers will bitch and moan about a price like there's no tomorrow and THEN on top of that, the seller has to pay the 3% fees on the sale that he didnt receive the full amount for. So he loses even more money.

If the majority of 240sx owners werent so damn cheap this wouldnt be an issue.

wow....spot on! lol.... +rep for you!

but the 3% cash discount is a good idea

ishkabibble · 10-07-2007, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasty180SX

ummm...with MO you don't have any buyer protection. PAYPAL does.

ummm... Postal money sent through US mail has MAIL FRAUD protection. A bit stronger than PAYPAL protection.

UNISA JECS · 10-07-2007, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ishkabibble

ummm... Postal money sent through US mail has MAIL FRAUD protection. A bit stronger than PAYPAL protection.

WORD it sure does and I perfer this method but many people dont and I totally understand, nut its your money send it the way you feel best about it.

**Phlip** · 10-07-2007, 09:15 PM

This has been discussed before:
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=143313
Points were made from all sides (buyers/sellers/site) and even commented upon by an admin and a couple of people with valuable information. I DO suggest looking it over on the subject.
Personally? I never charged the fee, I simply price my items fairly enough to myself that I can eat the fee and do not react kindly to lowball offers.
Simply put, if you must adjust your pricing to make the cost of doing business less painful then do that. Adopt the "I ain't even gonna dignify that shit with an answer" approach to lowball offerers, and KNOW that some people just seem to get off on offering less than you asked for items, it happens, so be prepared to have to blow people off.

KA-T_240 · 11-06-2007, 09:45 PM

Its a shitty thing. But paypal fees are over 3% now. I have been charge over 5% for a $50 sale

*revat619* · 11-06-2007, 10:05 PM

Like i said before, if most Zilvians weren't such relentlessly low balling ass clowns, this wouldn't be an issue.

Pay the person's asking price and chances are they will make some money and be able to cover the fees without having to even ask.

THE PROBLEM STEMS FROM THE CHEAP BASTARDS THAT HAVE INFESTED THIS CAR CULTURE. PERIOD.

If you dont wanna pay the fees, then dont buy their stuff. Its as simple as that. Stop bitching.

Why are we even discussing this still?

zomgdrft · 11-07-2007, 01:21 AM

I don't many folks are grasping at the point I'm making. It is against paypals TOS for someone to outright state "a 3% added fee." That's it, plain and simple. I can report you (or whoever) to paypal with a screenshot of the tread and they will take action against your account. It's as simple as that.

On a side note, I've received some hilarious negative rep from this thread, who obviously didn't even read my initial post, or just lack the reading comprehension to fully understand it.

neg rep: "In the end, all the seller has to do is mark up his item 3% and leave it at that."

I understand that, moron. Please re-read what I posted at the top:

Quote:

the easiest way please add a "3% cash discount" to your items. Or increase all your items prices by 3% or do both.

I swear to god idiots should be sterilized.

*revat619* · 11-07-2007, 02:41 AM

I totally get it dude, but check out this simple break down...

ask for paypal fees - you get butt hurt

factor them into the price - lowballers get butt hurt

get lowballed then pay for the fees your self - seller gets butt hurt

Bitching about this is pointless. AGAIN, its been discussed before.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=143313

Zilvia doesn't control what people do with their personal paypal accounts. So in other words, people just have to deal with it.

This thread is done.

10-07-2007, 06:56 PM	#1
zomgdrft Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: norcal Age: 44 Posts: 173 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	STICKY PLZ: I'm tired of this "...Plus PayPal Fees" Crap! I'm fairly certain this must've been discussed before, however I'm bringing it up again because I'm tired of seeing it pop up more and more as of late. Let's put it simply: Requiring additional money (IE: Add 3% on top of asking price) to "cover" your fees is against PayPal's TOS. PayPal can and will be ban you for it. I lurk these forums and occasionally buy things and I haven't reported anybody but I will be doing so in the future if it doesn't change. For private individuals: You are the sole owner of your paypal account. The purchaser/buyer isn't, and shouldn't be, penalized for the type of account you the seller has. There are ways around this, however. If you want to get by this legally, the easiest way please add a "*3% cash discount"* to your items. Or increase all your items prices by 3% or do both. This is how many retailers handle it so I see no reason why it should be any different here. To much work? To bad, enjoy being banned from PayPal then. </rant off>

10-07-2007, 07:25 PM	#3
vutony Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: (714) OC area Posts: 5,273 Trader Rating: (145) Feedback Score: 145 reviews	then send MO if you dont want to pay 3% more __________________ i have engine hoist for rent i do SR wiring

10-07-2007, 07:39 PM	#6
vutony Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: (714) OC area Posts: 5,273 Trader Rating: (145) Feedback Score: 145 reviews	^^then pay the fees, its an option Paypal has buyer's protection? Its freaking weak. There are many loop holes. I loss a few hundred with them. __________________ i have engine hoist for rent i do SR wiring

10-07-2007, 07:54 PM	#7
brokeAs240sx Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,917 Trader Rating: (40) Feedback Score: 40 reviews	You can also make an offer (i.e. w/o the paypal fees). Either it's worth 3% more to you, or not. And shouldn't this go under Suggestions sub-forum? __________________ bew bews!

10-07-2007, 08:00 PM	#8
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	First off, this is in the wrong section. You're not selling anything. MOVED. Secondly, I understand where you're coming from, but i also see it from a sellers perspective. Most of the time, people wont pay the sellers asking price anyway...so that rules out adding the 3% into the amount they're asking. Buyers will bitch and moan about a price like there's no tomorrow and THEN on top of that, the seller has to pay the 3% fees on the sale that he didnt receive the full amount for. So he loses even more money. If the majority of 240sx owners werent so damn cheap this wouldnt be an issue. __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade

10-07-2007, 07:04 PM	#2
AznDrftr. BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 254 \| Texas. Age: 37 Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: AznDrftr. Feedback Score: 3 reviews	^I to was going to say something about this, but wanted more of the mods to jump in on this. Well said, i see this a lot now, as if they are losing money, not really. But nice firm way to put it.

10-07-2007, 07:30 PM	#4
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Well said and good point.

10-07-2007, 09:15 PM	#12
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,976 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	This has been discussed before: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=143313 Points were made from all sides (buyers/sellers/site) and even commented upon by an admin and a couple of people with valuable information. I DO suggest looking it over on the subject. Personally? I never charged the fee, I simply price my items fairly enough to myself that I can eat the fee and do not react kindly to lowball offers. Simply put, if you must adjust your pricing to make the cost of doing business less painful then do that. Adopt the "I ain't even gonna dignify that shit with an answer" approach to lowball offerers, and KNOW that some people just seem to get off on offering less than you asked for items, it happens, so be prepared to have to blow people off. __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

11-06-2007, 09:45 PM	#13
KA-T_240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Moorhead, MN Age: 37 Posts: 1,788 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Its a shitty thing. But paypal fees are over 3% now. I have been charge over 5% for a $50 sale __________________

11-06-2007, 10:05 PM	#14
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Like i said before, if most Zilvians weren't such relentlessly low balling ass clowns, this wouldn't be an issue. Pay the person's asking price and chances are they will make some money and be able to cover the fees without having to even ask. THE PROBLEM STEMS FROM THE CHEAP BASTARDS THAT HAVE INFESTED THIS CAR CULTURE. PERIOD. If you dont wanna pay the fees, then dont buy their stuff. Its as simple as that. Stop bitching. Why are we even discussing this still? __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade

11-07-2007, 02:41 AM	#16
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I totally get it dude, but check out this simple break down... ask for paypal fees - you get butt hurt factor them into the price - lowballers get butt hurt get lowballed then pay for the fees your self - seller gets butt hurt Bitching about this is pointless. AGAIN, its been discussed before. http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=143313 Zilvia doesn't control what people do with their personal paypal accounts. So in other words, people just have to deal with it. This thread is done. __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade