engine swaps

[tnord]

$7000 dollars...........say it to yourself; seven-thousand dollars.  For this large chunk of money you can have yourself a SR20DET motor to plop in you're stock S14/13.  Or you can take that seven thousand dollars, perform basically every modification available for the KA, create one helluva suspension, and have money left over.  So, you can crack open all your accounts including the piggy bank in the name of "authenticity," or you can create a car practically no one has, with a character all it's own, and handling capabilities equal to cars costing 3x as much.   So to those of you thinking about doing a swap, ask yourself if it's really worth it.  In some cases it very well may be.  Everyone has there own reasons for doing it, but could those reasons include; "because that's the popular thing to do," or "i saw it in a magazine?"  Don't get me wrong, i would love to have a S15 sitting in my driveway, but no matter how much money you spend on a conversion, it's still not the real thing.  So why not just accept what is available to us, and work from there; because in reality, we don't have that bad of a platform to begin with.

Just a random thought on my part, no intention of putting down anyone with a swap because frankly, i wish i had an SR20DET in my car.

[DJ Machine]

Where are you getting $7000? Every price ive seen has been 4-5k.

Edit: and that's 4-5k installed

In your original post you made it sound as if the engine itself costs 7000

(Edited by DJ Machine at 3:30 pm on Jan. 14, 2002)

[ca18guy]

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Where are you getting $7000? Every price ive seen has been 4-5k.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

He probably just read it in that E-article posted earlier. &nbsp;Sounds like he's the one that &quot;saw it in a magazine&quot; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Takumi]

$7000 is the estimated price if you wanna add an intercooler, gauges, and a slew of electronics (turbo timer, boost controller). Plus the installation costs. Plus the little extras here and there that you'll probably need to fix from an engine that old. Don't let the low mileage fool you, things may and could get broken when they're shipped to our shores. Then you've got like...30 bucks worth of fluid to change. Who wants to run around with a freshly swapped motor with old oil, tranny fluid, and stuff?

Besides, the $7000 would be the installed base price for an S15 engine. &nbsp;You might as well get a red or black top S13/S14 SR20DET for under $3000 and slap on a bigger turbo. &nbsp;Throwing in an S15 SR20DET is just there for stats and penis waving. &nbsp;It ain't shit.

(Edited by Takumi at 2:35 pm on Jan. 14, 2002)

[tnord]

yes i did just see that in the superstreet refrence from the other thread, how much does the engine cost? shipping? installation? i would like to hear how much it cost someone who has had it done, i would assume CA has, but if anyone who has an SR swap done can confirm the 4-5 grand figure i'll edit the previous post so it reads accordingly, either way i still stand by my statement

(Edited by tnord at 3:34 pm on Jan. 14, 2002)

[mistert]

you can find a complete sr20det with stock SMIC on american shores for as low as $2000 shipped

[Takumi]

http://www.srswap.com
<a href="http://www.unstable-hyrbrids.com

THE" target="_blank">http://www.unstable-hyrbrids.com

THE</a> MOST reliable sources you can find. &nbsp;Those are the two major shops that do SR swaps on a regular basis. Plus they'll tell you want you &quot;need&quot; instead of what you &quot;should&quot; buy so your SR20DET swap can be as economical as you want it.

[tnord]

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you can find a complete sr20det with stock SMIC on american shores for as low as $2000 shipped</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

maybe......but how much does a low mileage fully prepped unit go for?

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Takumi on 3:31 pm on Jan. 14, 2002

Besides, the $7000 would be the installed base price for an S15 engine. You might as well get a red or black top S13/S14 SR20DET for under $3000 and slap on a bigger turbo. Throwing in an S15 SR20DET is just there for stats and penis waving. It ain't shit.

(Edited by Takumi at 2:35 pm on Jan. 14, 2002)
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ok.......now add on the cost of purchasing a bigger turbo and the price of installation of that, now where are we at?

BTW-i'm not trying to change anyone's opinion with this, i was just kinda curious as to other people's view on the topic

(Edited by tnord at 3:43 pm on Jan. 14, 2002)

[ca18guy]

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confirm the 4-5 grand figure
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Straight off of .... <a href="http://www.unstable-hybrids.com/sr20detinstall.html

Complete" target="_blank">http://www.unstable-hybrids.com/sr20detinstall.html

Complete</a> SR20DET(RED TOP) with Transmission and all other components. &nbsp;All parts are 100% guaranteed &nbsp;$2500

Stock Side Mount IC with Recirculator &nbsp;included

Autometer Boost &nbsp;$60

Autometer A/F &nbsp;$60

Autometer Dual Gauge Pod &nbsp;$30

K&amp;N Cone filter with MAF adapter &nbsp;$80

Belts, hoses, filters, fluids &nbsp;$50

Labor $1300

Total $4080

[LanceS13]

DIY and you have $1300 for mods...maybe enough for another 40hp?

(Edited by LanceS13 at 5<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 pm on Jan. 14, 2002)

[dmaestro]

&quot;Throwing in an S15 SR20DET is just there for stats and penis waving. &nbsp;It ain't shit. &quot;

Hahaha...that made me crack up...lol

[whateverjames]

i think the SR is worth it if you have a 150,000 mile automatic SOHC. then ya $4800 maybe an option you want to choose but a 40,000 mile DOHC 5 speed manual switching to an SR? now that's a waste of money. and about the $7000 that's a good estimate for a well setup SR. you can get an SR for 4800 installed, but it's going to have around 220 if you count your exhaust and intake. may as well spend the extra 2000+ that you're going to put into it anways to have a nice setup.

Well, right now I'm just another guy going to do the swap, to be honest, I've never even driven a 240 yet, since the one I bought doesn't run, but so far I'm 4600 in the hole for swap prices, I'm keeping track of every penny I'm spending on the swap I'm doing so I'll be able to give an exact later on. I haven't received my engine yet, so yes there may be expenses unforseen, but I'm not leaving it stock from the get go either, &nbsp;Now for 7grand you could build a KAturbo to reach the HP figure of a SR, however, I think you are underestimating the amount of money it would require to create a reliable turbo KA motor, and still have money left over to handle really well. Also I'm doing the swap myself so that'll save about 1000 in labor. Personally I feel that the SR fits the 240sx better than the KA, It seems like the cars in Japan have the good engines in them. Think of it this way, if the 240's came to the US with SR20's in them, they would have sold SOOO many, Honda probably would have had to do something to attract import enthusiasts more than just a civic SI. I'm doing the swap for performance and reliability, Lots of people have modded the SR's to fairly substantial HP levels, it's been done, the KA on the other hand is less explored. I can find what Tuners in JApan or here are doing to their SR's to make more power, KA24-T is a pretty small group. Also, I know displacement isn't mentioned but there are stroker kits available for the SR to 2.2 litre, in addition to any internal mods you'd have to do to a non turbo motor to make it handle boost as opposed to just NA. I know it's not the real thing, but again, as soon as you put the powerplant in a 240 over here, the only major difference I know of is which side the steering wheel is on, oh and maybe a LSD.
Sorry if this post seems a little patched together, I got distracted a few times and didn't want to reread the whole thing. My two cents. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Drifting Ricer]

Okay thord help me out? That's the total I have for my SR. With everything FMIC ,boost controller, B.O.V ect ect. I live in Boston so srswap.com is a good source (plus I meet the owner yury). This my problem/reasons. I have a high mileage KA. I most likely have 1-2 years of hard driving left in it. There are other shops out here that do the swap for less. Try a 1G srswap's is 1.5gs. But I don't trust the other sources. Come on now were did you people got all you're help online? &nbsp;7G is a high price for 220HP <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>. &nbsp;Now it will another 2-3 G's to reach my goal of 340HP. The grand total will very easily hit 10G's just on the engine alone. But think of this if we had the KA24DET would we care for the SR? I wonder if the Honda boy have to pay out of their ass like that? May I should focus on something else. I'm young I have nothing holding me down. I can do it but is really worth it?

[DjBaMBaM]

I swear, this topi keeps getting concluded and them somebody has to go and bring it back to the beginning...:rolleyes:

Just use some common sense! Assuming you dont have a 240, buy the cheapest ass one that you can find that is intact and has no cosmetic damage. Then get the #### kit and shove that sucker in there. Bigger turbos...the wors...stroker kit if you want...make insans hp...and be happy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>.

[tnord]

My conclusion if anyone cares:

The statements forthcoming are my opinion only. &nbsp;IF from the very beginning you plan on doing a swap and buy a car with a solid chassis and body, but a crappy motor, then it might be worth it. &nbsp;Otherwise, it is not. &nbsp;If you have a car with 150k miles on it, there are other parts that need replacing besides the engine. &nbsp;Bushings, shocks, transmission, rust, etc etc will most likely need to be repaired eventually. Sell the car and start over. &nbsp;In refrence to the KA, i would not turbo it. &nbsp;Good turbo kits run what, 2500-3000k installed? And apparantly you can get a SR20DET for about 4k. &nbsp;Hence, doing the swap makes more sense to me if you absolutely must have a turbo. &nbsp;If you don't have the insatiable need for a turbo, modify the KA to whatever level you desire, take the extra money and save up for the next car. &nbsp;

[NOSfEDs12vh45dett]

Thats about $15,000, in NZD, thats alot of engine, with all new piping and evering, cool.

[NOSfEDs12vh45dett]

Thats about $15,000, in NZD, thats alot of engine, with all new piping and evering, cool.

[Drifting Ricer]

I'll take tnord conclusion and be happy. &nbsp;

[MeanRex7]

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you can find a complete sr20det with stock SMIC on american shores for as low as $2000 shipped
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really? thanks for pointing that out
Matsuda

[rubbersidedown]

PLEASE refraine from putting the KA down. It is a terrific motor and not as bad of a base for a turbo as some people make it out to be. I forget who it was and i don't feel like searching through the threads but someone put up a #### good arguement about the motor. He also talked about the CA, the SR and mentioned the FJ. I feel that in the end it only comes down to preference and budget. When deciding what engine i wanted or if i wanted to just turbo the KA i really wouldn't listen to anyone ele's opinions. Just make your decision based on what YOU want. Not what's popular, trendy, or supposedly the best. But of course you can conform to whatever you want if that makes you happy. So i say don't post threads about which engine is better or if swapping is really worth it. Find the specs on the engines or ask someone here for what information they can give you and just disregaurd their opinion. &nbsp;
Please correct me if i'm wrong about anything in this post, because this is only MY opinion :-)

[thewholefnshow]

Ah, I think I might just wait and spend all my money on a sr20vet... that is an engine and a half. It beats everthing else. But I will say that is my opinion. Same boost, same IC etc. only now they are forecasting about 275 out of it. That is some great stuff. I love nissan. And is it worth it. I guessthat depends on who you are.