Engine Swap sr20det or sr20de?

[jedi_first_degree]

I'm posting to get your guys opinions on something. This is something i was thinking and i searched but really didn't find any useful information on this. I'm going with a turbo sr thats already decided.

Here is my dilema. I own a 95 s14. I can buy a s13 redtop in perfect condition for 2600. I can buy a s14 sr20de for 1500. I have injectors at my shop , i've already got a turbo and turbo mani.

Should i buy the s13 redtop?
or
Should I buy the de and tap the block myself and switch out the injectors?

Keep in mind also that ecu doesn't matter because I have an emanage laying around from my turbo 200sx.

[Dousan_PG]

if u swap in the de
dont forget to shoot yourself in the face.
because its just stupid.

[Irukandji]

agreed ^.

Search y0

[jedi_first_degree]

ok then why don't you tell me why that is stupid instead of just making smart comments. I'm don't know the rwd sr's that well yet. I know fwd sr's like the back of my hand. in the fwd sr's the only difference between the de and det is oil squirters which have not been proven to do anything.

so why would it be bad to turbo a rwd de?

[Dousan_PG]

then dont buy one

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[Ricks15]

Actully NA/SR20 is not a stupid idea Ive been driving my NA S13 with a KA24E and to be blunt with you I actully like NA over turbo, NA is more easier to learn from as apposed to turbo because with a turbo engine and that crazy boost is what makes you spin out. I know im going to get flamed but I dont give a shit Ive driven a SR20det 240 and its cool and shit but on a personal level I perfer NA to go sideways you're in alot more control. good luck with what ever you choose to get if you got the money go for it.

[jedi_first_degree]

Originally Posted by Ricks15

Actully NA/SR20 is not a stupid idea Ive been driving my NA S13 with a KA24E and to be blunt with you I actully like NA over turbo, NA is more easier to learn from as apposed to turbo because with a turbo engine and that crazy boost is what makes you spin out. I know im going to get flamed but I dont give a shit Ive driven a SR20det 240 and its cool and shit but on a personal level I perfer NA to go sideways you're in alot more control. good luck with what ever you choose to get if you got the money go for it.

That wasn't the question. The question was to buy a det or buy a de and turbo it.

and further more people like dousan are reason why i don't come on this forum very often. everytime i ask a question all i do is get flamed by unhelpful pricks.

is there a decent person on this forum that give me an answer to a valid question?

[Dousan_PG]

Originally Posted by Ricks15

Actully NA/SR20 is not a stupid idea Ive been driving my NA S13 with a KA24E and to be blunt with you I actully like NA over turbo, NA is more easier to learn from as apposed to turbo because with a turbo engine and that crazy boost is what makes you spin out. I know im going to get flamed but I dont give a shit Ive driven a SR20det 240 and its cool and shit but on a personal level I perfer NA to go sideways you're in alot more control. good luck with what ever you choose to get if you got the money go for it.

are you fucking serious?
spin out w/ boost? your joking right? im seirous. are you kidding??
hahahahahahaha
NA is cool but spin out w/ 'crazy boost' oh shit .5 bar on a stock turbo and smic!!

hahahahaha


straight answer
de is a pos for power and all. yeah smeone post that pic of that fag showcar w/ its fancy motor. doesnt mean shit ot me, doesnt make more then 200 HP yeah i said it. sure do your fancy tomei itbs and tuning..still wont be much more
for tha tsame money you can have a 350 hp sr20det and way easier to build.

thats why.
dont be a retard.
go det

[SoSideways]

Well, if he already has all the stuff laying around to basically turbo a DE motor, then I'd say go that route, as the CR is 9.5 and if it's the S14 DE motor, then you'll have the bigger 60mm TB already included as well.

[jedi_first_degree]

Thank you. It's nice that someone was on the same page. I wanted to see if I was on the right track.

All i could find by searching is the same differences i see in the fwd sr's. the det's have oil squirters and slightly higher compression.

I was thinking of buying the s14 de and using the 1k i'm going to save myself for more parts.

I know from boosting fwd de's that a gt28rs at 15psi on that compression isn't going to hurt anything so i figured it would be the same for rwd de's

[Cashizslick]

KA > Sr20dE


Why the hell would you swap a 2.4l non turbo for a 2.0l non turbo?


Dont say that its "cool" or "unique" cause its not "cool"/"unique" to spend money/time downgrading the performance of your 240 only to get beat by totally stock KA's.

[Andrew Bohan]

did you notice the part where he said he's going to turbo it?

[jedi_first_degree]

Originally Posted by i'm driftaholic

did you notice the part where he said he's going to turbo it?

Thank you! no one is reading the thread they are just going post happy. I'm trying to get opinions on buying a s14 sr20de and saving myself money because i already have the parts and knowledge to turbo it. versus paying an extra 1k for the redtop det.

[Jonnie Fraz]

If you have the know how I say go for it, sr20de that is. It sounds like you have a working knowledge of this motor, and you could use the money saved to buy better parts. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think there are more differences than just oil squirters :ie Forged pistons, stronger crank, just a little bit beefier.

[nistech]

^^^yah i also douth that the internals are the same

[dct223]

Originally Posted by Ricks15

Actully NA/SR20 is not a stupid idea Ive been driving my NA S13 with a KA24E and to be blunt with you I actully like NA over turbo, NA is more easier to learn from as apposed to turbo because with a turbo engine and that crazy boost is what makes you spin out. I know im going to get flamed but I dont give a shit Ive driven a SR20det 240 and its cool and shit but on a personal level I perfer NA to go sideways you're in alot more control. good luck with what ever you choose to get if you got the money go for it.

I agree... learning to drift on a KA u gain a lot more skills about car control and techniques rather than relying on HP to power over everything... I also agree with you that with a KA you can correct your line easier while drifting if you mess up cus u have more low end torque to spin the wheels and what not.....

I do not agree that because of turbo u spin out easier..... you spin out because of driver error (too much gas, didnt countersteer fast enough) or maybe slick road conditions and what not... not because u have a turbo installed on your engine...

[andrewmp6]

you cant just turbo a sr20de it wont work youll blow it up lol sr20det and sr20de are night and day on parts sr20de plug wires sr20det coil packs

[!Zar!]

Why would you give up your ka24de that has 2.4 liters, just incase you didn't know, over the sr20de that has 2.0 liters. No matter what you do to turbo a sr20de, it won't be a sr20det, they are two whole diffrent things. I'll even quote from a thread that was like this not too long ago.

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Why are you purchacing a car and the first thing you worry about before you even purchace it is a swap? Being a nub is no excuse for stupidity. EVEN IF you get a sr20de it's not even close to a sr20det.
The DET has oil squirter piston coolers
The DET has a bigger oil pump.
The DET has a different front pulley.
The DET has lower compression pistons (8.3:1 vs 9.5:1).
The DET has bigger injectors.
The DET has direct ignition.
The DET has a variable intake cam, runs retarded at idle, advanced mid range and retarded top end.
The DET has mechanical shim in bucket type lifters with a slightly bigger in duration exhaust cam.

[nsn240]

Originally Posted by andrewmp6

you cant just turbo a sr20de it wont work youll blow it up lol sr20det and sr20de are night and day on parts sr20de plug wires sr20det coil packs

what the hell are you talking about... half the people in this thread have no idea either... an sr20de is perfect for some people.. my sr20de rwd is turbo, 8 psi, 0 problems... are you completely oblivious to the ridiculous amount of sr20de sentras/infinitis that are turbo'd? What does it matter that the de has wires/distibutor?? guess thats night and day? if you dont have anything constructive to post, then keep it to yourself.

i've siad this in other threads before as well... the sr20de has the higher compression, so a turbo makes it a damn fun motor... but, its much harder to upgrade, no oil squirters, and you will have to drill and tap all the turbo oil/water lines in the block. also youll have to add larger injectors, and have the ecu tuned, or just run a redtop ecu.. everything else is essentially the same motor (see above^) the boost can be turned up to ~14, thats what ive heard on fwd sr20de's atleast. pm me if you have any other questions

[nissantuner22]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

No matter what you do to turbo a sr20de, it won't be a sr20det, they are two whole diffrent things.

Lets look at the facts. He's going to buy 1 of the 2 engines.
Either a $2600 DET, or a S14 SR20DE engine, for the INSANELY OVERPRICED $1500. ( You can get the same engine, probably cleaner, from JHOT exports, Atlanta Georgia, at half the price )

Are you going to be running stock boost? If you plan on making less than 300 HP, I say go with the SR20DE. It lacks oil squirters, bigger oil pump, blah blah blah. The amount of bias to the DET motor is sickening.

Its only been stated a hundred times, but here we go again. The FWD Sentra crowd has been turbo charging the DE motor for WELL OVER 10 years. On stock boost, the motor will last forever. The only time you hear of problems is when people upgrade turbos, and either starve the engine of fuel, or overadvance the timing. Both of which are tuning errors. Guess what, DET's blow up too when you push more HP than stock. Its all about the tune.

Why don't you guys bash the KA motor when people turbo it? It has weaker rods, piston ringlands, and a lower rev limit than an SR20 motor. You guys encourage it over the DET swap. All you do is contradict yourselves.

The stock internals of an SR20DE have been proven to be capable of huge HP numbers. How many of you guys with DET's push 500 hp on your stock internals? Oh wait, not many. Id say the chances are this guy is going to run WELL within the SR20DE's potential.

If thats the case, and he ALREADY has a turbo, manifold, injectors, and an ECU laying around. He would be an idiot NOT to get the DE, save himself the extra $1000 plus dollars, and put that money towards further upgrades.

[nsn240]

^thank you, thats all the other stuff i didnt feel like typing...

[Bryants95240sx]

Just do whatever the hell you wanna do.

[jedi_first_degree]

Just to answer a few questions from above. My KA is shot. It's been shot since i baught the car.

I know the sr20. I turbo'd my 200sx sr20de ran 11psi no problems.

I asked this question to get perspective from some of the rwd sr experts. although i think a lot of you posting don't know what the heck your talking about.

I pretty much wanted to see if anyone has done this and how it's turned out. also i wasn't sure if there was a big difference between the turbo capabilities between the rwd and fwd sr. i'm a regular on sr20forum and know plenty of people running fwd sr's at 300-350whp on stock internals.

[nsn240]

Originally Posted by jedi_first_degree

I know the sr20. I turbo'd my 200sx sr20de ran 11psi no problems.

I asked this question to get perspective from some of the rwd sr experts. although i think a lot of you posting don't know what the heck your talking about.

bingo!

I pretty much wanted to see if anyone has done this and how it's turned out. also i wasn't sure if there was a big difference between the turbo capabilities between the rwd and fwd sr. i'm a regular on sr20forum and know plenty of people running fwd sr's at 300-350whp on stock internals.

i think most of that is answered above, like i said before, lemme know if you have any questions

[nissantuner22]

the s13 sr20de rwd motor, is identical to the fwd b13 motors. minus the placement of the distributor, and the obvious rwd configuration

[jobestudios]

my freind got a sr20de for 750

[DoriftoSlut]

Ugh. Jeez people...



Get a fucking DET long block. Bare. For chump change. it'll come with nothing. Get everything you want, leave out everything you don't need, and REBUILD IT! 86.5mm CP Pistons, new bearings. NEW OIL PUMP. New water pump. Upgraded cams, your cute little turbo and manifold, etc etc.


Turbo'd DE asking for problems. DO NOT STARVE YOUR ENGINE OF OIL, psychos!

IMHO not rebuilding a USED thrashed motor is also asking for problems, I know from experience.


In the end, things have a way of working themselves out and everything costs the same. You think you're gonna save a bunch of money by doing it one way, and it's rarely the case. That's my .02 but what do i know, I only have a 350hp S14 SR and a fully built car. I don't know what i'm saying.

[nsn240]

Originally Posted by DoriftoSlut

Ugh. Jeez people...



Get a fucking DET long block. Bare. For chump change. it'll come with nothing. Get everything you want, leave out everything you don't need, and REBUILD IT! 86.5mm CP Pistons, new bearings. NEW OIL PUMP. New water pump. Upgraded cams, your cute little turbo and manifold, etc etc.


Turbo'd DE asking for problems. DO NOT STARVE YOUR ENGINE OF OIL, psychos!

IMHO not rebuilding a USED thrashed motor is also asking for problems, I know from experience.


In the end, things have a way of working themselves out and everything costs the same. You think you're gonna save a bunch of money by doing it one way, and it's rarely the case. That's my .02 but what do i know, I only have a 350hp S14 SR and a fully built car. I don't know what i'm saying.

i agree on the part about buying a long block and building... but how is the engine starved for oil?? lack of piston squirters doesnt fuck with the engine..

[nissantuner22]

Right, I don't get that either. Are you saying the motor doesn't make adequate pressure for turbo applications? People run restrictors on the turbos FWD, because of to much oil pressure getting to the turbo. Not to mention, with installed oil pressure guages, they see more than adequate oil pressure. Wheres this engine oil starving thing coming from?

[DoriftoSlut]

Its coming from a 15 year old oil pump.

Theorize all you want, but i've seen it happen more times than not. 4 engines blown in the last 2 months that i have seen personally from a seized oil pump. Not to mention my motor (didn't blow from oil pump, but rather warped head and leaking MHG). Freshly rebuilt. $200 for a brand new oil pump and peice of mind. Just do it. Its worth it, $200 to save your motor.

EDIT: As far as me being against turboing the DE... oil squirters DO help lubruicate and cool your pistons, a larger oil pump on the DET is waht i was talking about... you need all the help you can get! Shit i wish there were more options for larger-than-DET oil pumps! I think JUN and Tomei make them.