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finalforce · 05-26-2006, 12:50 PM

Its time to tune up my stock Silvia SR20 DET. What would you guys recommend for:

-Spark Plugs
-Wires
-Cap
-Rotor
-Oil

Thanks everyone you

DUDEIDONTHAVEA240 · 05-26-2006, 12:56 PM

what rotor/cap/wires are your talking about?

if its stock change the spark plugs,fuel filter, oil/oil filter, air filter from airbox, check for loose bolts, change out fluid for brakes/clutch and just make sure everything is in good working order

DreamDriveDrift · 05-26-2006, 12:58 PM

he meant distributor cap and rotor, spark plug wires

DUDEIDONTHAVEA240 · 05-26-2006, 01:01 PM

point out your distributor cap and rotor, spark plug wires
you must be talking about a KA, sr's have coil packs

s13silvia123 · 05-26-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DUDEIDONTHAVEA240

i dont remember stock sr's having distributor caps/rotors or wires.
you must be talking about a KA
sr's have coil packs

right on dude hahaha lol

Wei240 · 05-26-2006, 02:57 PM

go synthetic for oil, maybe more expensive in the short run but it'll be much better for the long run

kuruptR · 05-26-2006, 03:42 PM

stick to dyno oil

SR240DET · 05-26-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Wei240

go synthetic for oil, maybe more expensive in the short run but it'll be much better for the long run

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuruptR

stick to dyno oil

your both wrong! amsoil is where its at.

n2motorsports · 05-26-2006, 04:34 PM

clean air filter or replace
swap to z32 gas filter
flush coolant
change diff fluid
change tranny fluid - i'd recommend redline gear oil 75-90

that's my normal routine for a 20-30k tune up

Wei240 · 05-26-2006, 04:34 PM

amsoil = MLM, boo... haha

RHD-180sx · 05-26-2006, 05:31 PM

i was wondering why is it called a s13 blacktop when the blacktop came out with the s14 silvia ? i was told it was called the s13 blacktop(non-vvt) due to the wiring harness?if this is true whats up with that a harness does not make the motor, not lookin to start a argument just wondering why.

Dousan_PG · 05-26-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RHD-180sx

i was wondering why is it called a s13 blacktop when the blacktop came out with the s14 silvia ? i was told it was called the s13 blacktop(non-vvt) due to the wiring harness?if this is true whats up with that a harness does not make the motor, not lookin to start a argument just wondering why.

because only stupid people say s14 sr20det blacktop motor

all s14 sr20det are black top.

s13 redtop/blactop differ (slightly) wiring ecus, oil pickup etc etc etc

wiring is different w/ all of them so are ECUs. and each carry minor changes w/ the motor and turbos themselves. same goes w/ s15 sr20dets

DreamDriveDrift · 05-26-2006, 06:11 PM

my bad, didn't realize this was on an sr

RHD-180sx · 05-26-2006, 06:30 PM

ok so why s13 blacktop it did not come in a s13 silvia right? it came in the S14(silvia), rps13/krps13 (180sx) right? the blacktop was the new motor replacing the redtop right? s14 silvia got blacktop VVT ,180's got blacktop non-vvt right? i know i know it's SO much easier to say"s13" over "rps13" but to be 100% correct the s13 to most people is the chassis code for a silvia.So what i was asking before was why call it a s13 blacktop when it did not come in the s13(silvia coupe) ...why not just say S14 non-vvt .... i don't say i have a s13, i say i have a krps13... maybe it's just my OCD kicking in but a S13 is one car and a KRPS13/RPS13 is another and i know that most, if not all the parts are swapable (if thats even a word) but it just does not make sense... i am not trying to nit pick or start a argument i am just look for a solid answer.thanks now back to your scheduled program.

finalforce · 05-26-2006, 08:06 PM

You know when I bought the car earlier this year I didn't know how complicated Silvia's could be

.....thanks everyone for the tips. It helps a lot.

Dousan_PG · 05-26-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RHD-180sx

ok so why s13 blacktop it did not come in a s13 silvia right? it came in the S14(silvia), rps13/krps13 (180sx) right? the blacktop was the new motor replacing the redtop right? s14 silvia got blacktop VVT ,180's got blacktop non-vvt right? i know i know it's SO much easier to say"s13" over "rps13" but to be 100% correct the s13 to most people is the chassis code for a silvia.So what i was asking before was why call it a s13 blacktop when it did not come in the s13(silvia coupe) ...why not just say S14 non-vvt .... i don't say i have a s13, i say i have a krps13... maybe it's just my OCD kicking in but a S13 is one car and a KRPS13/RPS13 is another and i know that most, if not all the parts are swapable (if thats even a word) but it just does not make sense... i am not trying to nit pick or start a argument i am just look for a solid answer.thanks now back to your scheduled program.

ok u said s14 blacktop. what did i just say?
blacktops came in silvias too iirc. i think my friend in japan has one, late model is blacktop
early is redtop (zenkis most chuukis)

s13s got s13 motors. non vvt is s13 motor

all s14 sr20dets were vvt
s14 motor means: vvt blacktop it goes unsaid already assumed
s13 motor u sya blacktop or redtop because its alreayd known none are vvt and the color could designate more info such as ecu type and model (zenki, chuuki, kouki!)

no one really cares for the chassis codes.
s chassis is an schassis

mjjstang · 05-26-2006, 08:46 PM

Time to put down the tools and start another hobby.

**mrmephistopheles** · 05-26-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

ok u said s14 blacktop. what did i just say?
blacktops came in silvias too iirc. i think my friend in japan has one, late model is blacktop
early is redtop (zenkis most chuukis)

s13s got s13 motors. non vvt is s13 motor

all s14 sr20dets were vvt
s14 motor means: vvt blacktop it goes unsaid already assumed
s13 motor u sya blacktop or redtop because its alreayd known none are vvt and the color could designate more info such as ecu type and model (zenki, chuuki, kouki!)

no one really cares for the chassis codes.
s chassis is an schassis

S13 Silvias NEVER had black valvecovers stock
180sx had black valvecovers starting in either mid '94, or beginning of '95.

VTC damnit! You're thinking vvt-i like toyota motors.

Also, fucking right no 'S14/S15 blacktop' it's like saying S14/S15 Silvia. If it's S14 or S15 it has to be Silvia. Only time the difference matters is S13 motors and chassis.

sylsevilsis · 05-26-2006, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finalforce

Its time to tune up my stock Silvia SR20 DET. What would you guys recommend for:

-Spark Plugs
-Wires
-Cap
-Rotor
-Oil

Thanks everyone you

I suggest NGK's for your sparkplug Wires!

Jung918 · 05-27-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sylsevilsis

I suggest NGK's for your sparkplug Wires!

You fail at reading.

koukidough · 05-27-2006, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jung918

You fail at reading.

good one ahahaha

Dousan_PG · 05-27-2006, 12:40 AM

haha 1jz are on my mind lately

RHD-180sx · 05-27-2006, 01:05 AM

ok MrM thanks that clears it up .....only reason i was sayin vvt is that it is listed as variable valve timing and vtc just did not seem to add up ...
ok sorry for the interruption ...."thank you ..come again" Apu.

sylsevilsis · 05-27-2006, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jung918

You fail at reading.

The guy asked a question. I answered what his options were. So what did i fail on? Other than the dET's use coilpacks? But if that was the case you were talking about, then i would have quoted "DUDEIDONTHAVEA240" wouldn't i?

koukidough · 05-27-2006, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sylsevilsis

The guy asked a question. I answered what his options were. So what did i fail on? Other than the dET's use coilpacks? But if that was the case you were talking about, then i would have quoted "DUDEIDONTHAVEA240" wouldn't i?

Actually you did not answer his options correctly simply because sr20det's don't use NGK spark plug wires, therefore spark plug wires aren't an option.

Oh yeah don't forget to check your belts

*fliprayzin240sx* · 05-28-2006, 01:11 PM

When you talk bout S14/15 blacktop, they are pretty much known as the "notchbacks" to differentiate them from the S13 blacktops. The hump on the valver cover is the VTC. S13 blacktops are non-vtc so no notch.

Redtops are in S13 silvias and 180sx till ~93-94, when nissan switched to the S14 chassis, they dropped the redtop for the s14 notchtop. What people keep forgetting is that nissan changed the silvia but not the 180sx. 180sx were sold in japan till roughly 98. Same year they killed the S14 chassis for the S15 chassis. When nissan made the jump to the S15, bye-bye S14 and 180sx.

Blacktop non-vtc were solely in 180sx. Slight difference between the redtop, dead give away between the 2 is that the head on the blacktop, you will notice heat sinks on the front of the head vs a smooth front on the redtops.
Redtops and early blacktops (E-5 ECUs) are fully interchangeable with the redtops. You can swap ECU and harness and there is no difference. Newer blacktops had some minor changes from the older blacktops...I know for the Type-X 180sx, the ECUs are completely different and the ECU pin outs were slightly different.

PS: Tune up...change your o2 sensor, run some NGK BCPR7ES *gap them to .030* Z32 fuel filter...and thats bout it really as far as the engine. Oil is pretty much up to you, oil filter, try to get OEM Sentra SER filters. Stick with the year of the engine so atleast get a 95 since you have a blacktop. For Redtops get the 91 SR20 filter.

05-26-2006, 12:50 PM	#1
finalforce Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 251 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	S13 SR20 Black Top Tune up Its time to tune up my stock Silvia SR20 DET. What would you guys recommend for: -Spark Plugs -Wires -Cap -Rotor -Oil Thanks everyone you

05-26-2006, 03:42 PM	#7
kuruptR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UpNorth Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	stick to dyno oil __________________ @woooster on instagram

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05-28-2006, 01:11 PM	#26
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	When you talk bout S14/15 blacktop, they are pretty much known as the "notchbacks" to differentiate them from the S13 blacktops. The hump on the valver cover is the VTC. S13 blacktops are non-vtc so no notch. Redtops are in S13 silvias and 180sx till ~93-94, when nissan switched to the S14 chassis, they dropped the redtop for the s14 notchtop. What people keep forgetting is that nissan changed the silvia but not the 180sx. 180sx were sold in japan till roughly 98. Same year they killed the S14 chassis for the S15 chassis. When nissan made the jump to the S15, bye-bye S14 and 180sx. Blacktop non-vtc were solely in 180sx. Slight difference between the redtop, dead give away between the 2 is that the head on the blacktop, you will notice heat sinks on the front of the head vs a smooth front on the redtops. Redtops and early blacktops (E-5 ECUs) are fully interchangeable with the redtops. You can swap ECU and harness and there is no difference. Newer blacktops had some minor changes from the older blacktops...I know for the Type-X 180sx, the ECUs are completely different and the ECU pin outs were slightly different. PS: Tune up...change your o2 sensor, run some NGK BCPR7ES gap them to .030 Z32 fuel filter...and thats bout it really as far as the engine. Oil is pretty much up to you, oil filter, try to get OEM Sentra SER filters. Stick with the year of the engine so atleast get a 95 since you have a blacktop. For Redtops get the 91 SR20 filter. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

05-26-2006, 12:56 PM	#2
DUDEIDONTHAVEA240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: killa cali Posts: 166 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	what rotor/cap/wires are your talking about? if its stock change the spark plugs,fuel filter, oil/oil filter, air filter from airbox, check for loose bolts, change out fluid for brakes/clutch and just make sure everything is in good working order

05-26-2006, 12:58 PM	#3
DreamDriveDrift Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MD Posts: 131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he meant distributor cap and rotor, spark plug wires

05-26-2006, 01:01 PM	#4
DUDEIDONTHAVEA240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: killa cali Posts: 166 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	point out your distributor cap and rotor, spark plug wires you must be talking about a KA, sr's have coil packs

05-26-2006, 02:57 PM	#6
Wei240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: socal Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	go synthetic for oil, maybe more expensive in the short run but it'll be much better for the long run

05-26-2006, 04:34 PM	#9
n2motorsports Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle and Socal Posts: 165 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	clean air filter or replace swap to z32 gas filter flush coolant change diff fluid change tranny fluid - i'd recommend redline gear oil 75-90 that's my normal routine for a 20-30k tune up

05-26-2006, 05:31 PM	#11
RHD-180sx Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: HELL has no name for this level. Age: 52 Posts: 67 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i was wondering why is it called a s13 blacktop when the blacktop came out with the s14 silvia ? i was told it was called the s13 blacktop(non-vvt) due to the wiring harness?if this is true whats up with that a harness does not make the motor, not lookin to start a argument just wondering why.

05-26-2006, 06:11 PM	#13
DreamDriveDrift Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MD Posts: 131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my bad, didn't realize this was on an sr

05-26-2006, 06:30 PM	#14
RHD-180sx Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: HELL has no name for this level. Age: 52 Posts: 67 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok so why s13 blacktop it did not come in a s13 silvia right? it came in the S14(silvia), rps13/krps13 (180sx) right? the blacktop was the new motor replacing the redtop right? s14 silvia got blacktop VVT ,180's got blacktop non-vvt right? i know i know it's SO much easier to say"s13" over "rps13" but to be 100% correct the s13 to most people is the chassis code for a silvia.So what i was asking before was why call it a s13 blacktop when it did not come in the s13(silvia coupe) ...why not just say S14 non-vvt .... i don't say i have a s13, i say i have a krps13... maybe it's just my OCD kicking in but a S13 is one car and a KRPS13/RPS13 is another and i know that most, if not all the parts are swapable (if thats even a word) but it just does not make sense... i am not trying to nit pick or start a argument i am just look for a solid answer.thanks now back to your scheduled program.

05-26-2006, 08:06 PM	#15
finalforce Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 251 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	You know when I bought the car earlier this year I didn't know how complicated Silvia's could be .....thanks everyone for the tips. It helps a lot.

05-27-2006, 01:05 AM	#23
RHD-180sx Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: HELL has no name for this level. Age: 52 Posts: 67 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok MrM thanks that clears it up .....only reason i was sayin vvt is that it is listed as variable valve timing and vtc just did not seem to add up ... ok sorry for the interruption ...."thank you ..come again" Apu.