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Kn1ves · 08-31-2006, 02:12 AM

So guys, try and figure out something for me. I have a starting problem. My 240 is like Jekyl and Hyde. Somtimes it doesnt start at all and sometimes (for months) it would run perfectly.

Heres the current situation

When the car starts and it idles at around 800rpm, I know for sure the car will start the next time.

When the car idles at 1400rpm, the car will not start the next time around.

Car cannot be jump started (Battery is out of the question)

Changed spark plugs (In January, along with 02 sensors)
- Checked for spark plug spark and the little red thing for spark (Screwdriver trick)

The car cranks. (Starter was replaced not a few months ago)

Changed the fuel pump (2 days ago)
- disconnected fuel line and fuel does squirt out

Changed the distributor (today)
- was push starting the car before, might have messed up the distributor so i went ahead and changed it. I did retard the timing on the old one and tried to start it. but it still didnt

The only way to start the car is to push start it. Sometimes the idle would kick in (and would rev @ 1400rpm) and sometimes it wont idle at all (would stall, even at freeway speeds)

The ECU is not showing any codes (55) and I also took it in for a Diagnostic check and they found nothing wrong (they suggested distributor)

the next thing im going to check (tomorrow) is the gas fuel relay to see whats wrong

Is there anything else im missing to go ahead and check??? Any other ideas? Suggestions?

DA Sil80 · 08-31-2006, 02:17 AM

You need to swap out that engine with an LS1 Motor.

Kn1ves · 08-31-2006, 02:25 AM

^^ after college

ixcimrpan · 08-31-2006, 02:29 AM

you need 1.1 jiggawatts going at 80mph, then go back to 1991 to install the flux capacitor to the same exact car in order to bring it back to the future and then problem solved. new car.

EchoOfSilence · 08-31-2006, 02:32 AM

Alright guys, he's looking for serious answers.

ixcimrpan · 08-31-2006, 03:00 AM

high rpms and not working next time you turn it on - could be a ecu prob. try changing it out if nothing else works.

EchoOfSilence · 08-31-2006, 03:17 PM

i say..................... junk it! i will tow it for free of charge!

Kn1ves · 08-31-2006, 06:00 PM

i changed two fuses, EGI and the EGI pump and it seems to be starting fine now.... (it wouldnt start once, and i reconnected the fuses and it started again)
soo...

thanks for the help?

EchoOfSilence · 08-31-2006, 06:55 PM

let me know if it breaks down again. i have premium triple A service. i'll help you rid of your junk.

crazyikimasho · 08-31-2006, 07:00 PM

check your starter, its easy to remove and take to be tested at your local auto zone, kragen, etc.

Kn1ves · 09-02-2006, 12:22 AM

ok guys, problem still not solved, it just went thru its jekyl phase and started nicely a couple of times.. but now hyde is back.

the starter has died and has been replaced. i used to hit it with a metal object cuz it wouldnt crank. but now starter is cranking fine. i do not believe its the starter.

im starting to think this is a pure electrical problem

Kn1ves · 09-08-2006, 04:06 PM

anybody else have any ideas?

idlafie · 09-11-2006, 01:47 AM

Download a Factory Service Manual here from Zilvia.Net. Use the SEARCH feature.

Once you've downloaded the factory service manual for your model year car, locate both the ECU relay & fuel pump relay and replace them both with NEW OEM factory relays.

Also pull your steering column cover off & using a continuity tester, ohm meter, or volt meter, test your ignition switch to make sure it is working properly.

Also check your main wiring harness from the ECU to the motor by wiggling it as the motor is running. You want to make sure there are no shorts in the harness between the ECU and the point where the harness runs next to the fuel injectors. CAREFULLY try to wiggle the wires that lead to the distributor at the front of the engine - don't let the spinning plastic radiator fans wack your fingers as you test the wires running at the front of the engine to the distributor. You want to be sure you don't have any shorts in the harness there also. Also check the wires running to your MAF...make sure there are no shorts in those wires either.

And finally, check all your ground points at the ECU, ECI & fuel pump relays, and the engine ground relay on the driver side engine block by the fireway above the 02 sensor. Make sure there are NO shorts at those points.

Tracing electrical gremlins are a bitch.....hope this helps...

ID

08-31-2006, 02:12 AM	#1
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Starting Problems So guys, try and figure out something for me. I have a starting problem. My 240 is like Jekyl and Hyde. Somtimes it doesnt start at all and sometimes (for months) it would run perfectly. Heres the current situation When the car starts and it idles at around 800rpm, I know for sure the car will start the next time. When the car idles at 1400rpm, the car will not start the next time around. Car cannot be jump started (Battery is out of the question) Changed spark plugs (In January, along with 02 sensors) - Checked for spark plug spark and the little red thing for spark (Screwdriver trick) The car cranks. (Starter was replaced not a few months ago) Changed the fuel pump (2 days ago) - disconnected fuel line and fuel does squirt out Changed the distributor (today) - was push starting the car before, might have messed up the distributor so i went ahead and changed it. I did retard the timing on the old one and tried to start it. but it still didnt The only way to start the car is to push start it. Sometimes the idle would kick in (and would rev @ 1400rpm) and sometimes it wont idle at all (would stall, even at freeway speeds) The ECU is not showing any codes (55) and I also took it in for a Diagnostic check and they found nothing wrong (they suggested distributor) the next thing im going to check (tomorrow) is the gas fuel relay to see whats wrong Is there anything else im missing to go ahead and check??? Any other ideas? Suggestions? __________________ there's something here

08-31-2006, 02:25 AM	#3
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^ after college __________________ there's something here

08-31-2006, 02:32 AM	#5
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Alright guys, he's looking for serious answers. __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

08-31-2006, 03:17 PM	#7
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i say..................... junk it! i will tow it for free of charge! __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

08-31-2006, 06:00 PM	#8
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i changed two fuses, EGI and the EGI pump and it seems to be starting fine now.... (it wouldnt start once, and i reconnected the fuses and it started again) soo... thanks for the help? __________________ there's something here

08-31-2006, 02:17 AM	#2
DA Sil80 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You need to swap out that engine with an LS1 Motor.

08-31-2006, 02:29 AM	#4
ixcimrpan Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: pasadena Posts: 6 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you need 1.1 jiggawatts going at 80mph, then go back to 1991 to install the flux capacitor to the same exact car in order to bring it back to the future and then problem solved. new car.

08-31-2006, 03:00 AM	#6
ixcimrpan Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: pasadena Posts: 6 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	high rpms and not working next time you turn it on - could be a ecu prob. try changing it out if nothing else works.

08-31-2006, 06:55 PM	#9
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	let me know if it breaks down again. i have premium triple A service. i'll help you rid of your junk. __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

08-31-2006, 07:00 PM	#10
crazyikimasho Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,329 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	check your starter, its easy to remove and take to be tested at your local auto zone, kragen, etc. __________________ *PLEASE NOTE* I am no longer affiliated with West Covina Nissan.

09-02-2006, 12:22 AM	#11
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok guys, problem still not solved, it just went thru its jekyl phase and started nicely a couple of times.. but now hyde is back. the starter has died and has been replaced. i used to hit it with a metal object cuz it wouldnt crank. but now starter is cranking fine. i do not believe its the starter. im starting to think this is a pure electrical problem __________________ there's something here

09-08-2006, 04:06 PM	#12
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	anybody else have any ideas? __________________ there's something here

09-11-2006, 01:47 AM	#13
idlafie Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ..So Cal.... Posts: 940 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Download a Factory Service Manual here from Zilvia.Net. Use the SEARCH feature. Once you've downloaded the factory service manual for your model year car, locate both the ECU relay & fuel pump relay and replace them both with NEW OEM factory relays. Also pull your steering column cover off & using a continuity tester, ohm meter, or volt meter, test your ignition switch to make sure it is working properly. Also check your main wiring harness from the ECU to the motor by wiggling it as the motor is running. You want to make sure there are no shorts in the harness between the ECU and the point where the harness runs next to the fuel injectors. CAREFULLY try to wiggle the wires that lead to the distributor at the front of the engine - don't let the spinning plastic radiator fans wack your fingers as you test the wires running at the front of the engine to the distributor. You want to be sure you don't have any shorts in the harness there also. Also check the wires running to your MAF...make sure there are no shorts in those wires either. And finally, check all your ground points at the ECU, ECI & fuel pump relays, and the engine ground relay on the driver side engine block by the fireway above the 02 sensor. Make sure there are NO shorts at those points. Tracing electrical gremlins are a bitch.....hope this helps... ID __________________ Weekend Mechanic for my Not-So-Mechanically-Inclined buddies....