Ebay header vs. quality (pics) - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

Neejay · 10-31-2007, 12:54 PM

Ok, I was curious, so I bought a ebay special stainless-steel header. Got it in the mail yesterday and was amazed at the exhaust exiting at the flange. I stumbled across a DC Sports header on here last night while looking for tq specs.

Here is a DC sports:

Now here is the ebay special that I got in the mail:

I'm not looking for a pity party, because I already expected semi-shit, but just informing anyone out there thinking about getting one...I'd reconsider. What effect would those kinds of exits have? Minimal?

EDIT: Posted outside welding pics further down: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php...9&postcount=26

jackjack · 10-31-2007, 01:02 PM

i'd probably install it if i got it for free. wouldnt pay for it though.

Daniel. · 10-31-2007, 01:11 PM

I wouldn't install it at all. Just look at it, it's a POS.

bigOdom1 · 10-31-2007, 01:16 PM

that thing needs a lot of work sometimes you luck out and get a semi quality peice this time you didn't

GabeS14 · 10-31-2007, 01:18 PM

what company/brand was it?
you can find REAL hks/greddy/and all other big brands on egay too. you need to know who you shop with

los_inc · 10-31-2007, 01:28 PM

i got an obx header once for my sohc it use to hit the body
terrible fitment til i coached it a little with my BFH.
-los

azndoc · 10-31-2007, 01:32 PM

You might as well stick with stock.

I had a egay manifold before.

Compared it to the stock one. Same shit.

Just that the stock one doesn't really crack that's all.

lilredstiffy · 10-31-2007, 01:38 PM

Even though the build quality is low its way better than stock.

A lot of bang for the buck in my opinion- and whats 1-2hp from proper porting/finishing matter anyway.

Jung918 · 10-31-2007, 01:53 PM

You got any pics of the welds on the outside?

Iceman00 · 10-31-2007, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilredstiffy

Even though the build quality is low its way better than stock.

A lot of bang for the buck in my opinion- and whats 1-2hp from proper porting/finishing matter anyway.

agreed. +1

If you have it, might as well use it.

stinky_180 · 10-31-2007, 01:56 PM

wow, those pictures really make me not want to get a a header from ebay... buts its so cot damn hard to find a SOHC header! i guess i'll have to go to a specialist here... pj..

UfoZ8myCow · 10-31-2007, 02:07 PM

Save your money, that thing looks like shit. I could probably weld you up a better set of headers, and Ive never welded anything in my life.

***S14DB*** · 10-31-2007, 02:10 PM

Bah who cares? Show pics of the welds.

Jung918 · 10-31-2007, 02:15 PM

I think their grinding skills suck more then their welding skills. However, you can see that the sucky welding by looking at how they are unevenly spaced and that they welded too fast.
Most of those knock off companies usually just weld on the outside and not the inside. Would like to see the welds that have not been grinded down on.

unicoladron · 10-31-2007, 02:23 PM

whip out your dremel my friend. those crappy exits will cause turbulence, but since it's for your NA motor, turbulence should be the least of your concerns.

PRADOgy · 10-31-2007, 02:33 PM

Just take your stock headers and getem machined, and get away with it from poh poh

IIIXziuR · 10-31-2007, 02:40 PM

Man that does look terrible.
How much $ did you end up dropping on that bad boy?

I'm thinking its better to either go custom or a quality after market one.
True it is better than stock, somewhat, but the ebay special looks...well special

projectRDM · 10-31-2007, 03:34 PM

All the knockoffs look like that, but with the better exhaust flow and reduced weight (the OE shit is three times as heavy) you're not hurting anything by dropping $110 or so on one of these things. I've put OBX stuff on a LOT of cars, no one complains. Sure it's not perfect, but for the price it never will be.

Silverbullet · 10-31-2007, 06:18 PM

That is not going to make a difference in performance... espeically for your naturally aspirated car.

Neejay · 10-31-2007, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R240NA

All the knockoffs look like that, but with the better exhaust flow and reduced weight (the OE shit is three times as heavy) you're not hurting anything by dropping $110 or so on one of these things. I've put OBX stuff on a LOT of cars, no one complains. Sure it's not perfect, but for the price it never will be.

Ok. That's pretty much what AJ was telling me. I don't have any experience with them, so I didn't know what to expect/look for.

Neejay · 10-31-2007, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverbullet

That is not going to make a difference in performance... espeically for your naturally aspirated car.

Yeah. I figured, but I wanted to make sure with other people's opinions/views.

Thanks guys.

dirtdiggler666 · 10-31-2007, 06:38 PM

lets see some outside pics

Neejay · 10-31-2007, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtdiggler666

lets see some outside pics

It's dark now, but I'll take some tomorrow.

axiomatik · 11-01-2007, 12:16 PM

will that thing even line up properly with your exhaust ports? look at where the stud holes are relative to the flange. looks like the drilled it free hand.

KA24DESOneThree · 11-01-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R240NA

(the OE shit is three times as heavy)

Factory upper and lower exhaust manifold: 28.3 lbs.
Hotshot header: 15 lbs.
Difference: 13.3lbs.

Factory might be twice as heavy depending on the accuracy of the scale, but three times as heavy is pushing it.

For me, it's all about how I feel when I think about what parts are on my car. If I was going through the list of parts on my car and read Megan, Megan, Megan, OBX, TC Sportline, Megan, OBX, I'd think to myself, man... is my car a piece of shit or what?

Neejay · 11-01-2007, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axiomatik

will that thing even line up properly with your exhaust ports? look at where the stud holes are relative to the flange. looks like the drilled it free hand.

It lined up...kinda. One stud was kinda off, but I wiggled it back and forth a little and got it on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Factory upper and lower exhaust manifold: 28.3 lbs.
Hotshot header: 15 lbs.
Difference: 13.3lbs.

Factory might be twice as heavy depending on the accuracy of the scale, but three times as heavy is pushing it.

For me, it's all about how I feel when I think about what parts are on my car. If I was going through the list of parts on my car and read Megan, Megan, Megan, OBX, TC Sportline, Megan, OBX, I'd think to myself, man... is my car a piece of shit or what?

I'm pretty sure Russ didn't mean it *literally*. Figure of speech.

And the oe exhaust manifold was HEAVY as shit. I feel like Ive been lifting weights after trying to get this thing on. Pics of the welds:

I didn't finish installing it due to the EGR tube. Tomorrow I'll have to take the header off again, slightly, and attach the EGR tube then re-install the header to the head.

babowc · 11-01-2007, 08:49 PM

^indeed.
stock ones are heavy as fuck.
i regularly lift, but that fucking oe mani caught me off gaurd and i fucked my hand up bc of it.
heavy piece of shit.

ch1873857 · 11-01-2007, 09:42 PM

hmm...welded with a wire fed tig. no craftsmanship. lots of undercut and minimal penetration and the mother fucker is definately not back gassed. TRASH

***S14DB*** · 11-01-2007, 10:35 PM

What's wrong with a Cold Wire TIG?

infinitexsound · 11-02-2007, 12:01 AM

looks good to me but could use some more porting....... best bang for the buck...

10-31-2007, 12:54 PM	#1
Neejay Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: lol Age: 39 Posts: 2,586 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Neejay Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Ebay header vs. quality (pics) Ok, I was curious, so I bought a ebay special stainless-steel header. Got it in the mail yesterday and was amazed at the exhaust exiting at the flange. I stumbled across a DC Sports header on here last night while looking for tq specs. Here is a DC sports: Now here is the ebay special that I got in the mail: I'm not looking for a pity party, because I already expected semi-shit, but just informing anyone out there thinking about getting one...I'd reconsider. What effect would those kinds of exits have? Minimal? EDIT: Posted outside welding pics further down: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php...9&postcount=26

10-31-2007, 01:11 PM	#3
Daniel. Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 3,713 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Daniel. Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wouldn't install it at all. Just look at it, it's a POS. __________________

10-31-2007, 01:16 PM	#4
bigOdom1 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Auburn/Birmingham AL Age: 41 Posts: 1,817 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: bigOdom1 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	that thing needs a lot of work sometimes you luck out and get a semi quality peice this time you didn't __________________ my car domain that good review thread

10-31-2007, 01:18 PM	#5
GabeS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sin City Las Vegas Posts: 4,521 Trader Rating: (27) Rides Gallery: GabeS14 Feedback Score: 27 reviews	what company/brand was it? you can find REAL hks/greddy/and all other big brands on egay too. you need to know who you shop with __________________ E92 M3 19" wheels for sale///JWT Cams and Springs +30whp for sale... cheap.

10-31-2007, 01:28 PM	#6
los_inc Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Joisey Bro. Age: 40 Posts: 826 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	i got an obx header once for my sohc it use to hit the body terrible fitment til i coached it a little with my BFH. -los __________________

10-31-2007, 01:02 PM	#2
jackjack Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chi Posts: 2,899 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i'd probably install it if i got it for free. wouldnt pay for it though.

10-31-2007, 01:32 PM	#7
azndoc Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Age: 43 Posts: 9,487 Trader Rating: (47) Rides Gallery: azndoc Feedback Score: 47 reviews	You might as well stick with stock. I had a egay manifold before. Compared it to the stock one. Same shit. Just that the stock one doesn't really crack that's all.

10-31-2007, 01:38 PM	#8
lilredstiffy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: louisiana Posts: 618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Even though the build quality is low its way better than stock. A lot of bang for the buck in my opinion- and whats 1-2hp from proper porting/finishing matter anyway. __________________ KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST

10-31-2007, 01:53 PM	#9
Jung918 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA Posts: 3,203 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	You got any pics of the welds on the outside? __________________ Sale: Hello Kitty Horn Button S14 Rear Valences K.Y. Gordon the Thief (Tony Chen)

10-31-2007, 01:56 PM	#11
stinky_180 Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pale Blue Dot Age: 40 Posts: 2,064 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	wow, those pictures really make me not want to get a a header from ebay... buts its so cot damn hard to find a SOHC header! i guess i'll have to go to a specialist here... pj.. __________________ SoCal RallyX Coverage and MTB Ride Reports WheelsDirty

10-31-2007, 02:07 PM	#12
UfoZ8myCow Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vegas Posts: 1,227 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Save your money, that thing looks like shit. I could probably weld you up a better set of headers, and Ive never welded anything in my life. __________________

10-31-2007, 02:10 PM	#13
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Bah who cares? Show pics of the welds. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

10-31-2007, 02:15 PM	#14
Jung918 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA Posts: 3,203 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I think their grinding skills suck more then their welding skills. However, you can see that the sucky welding by looking at how they are unevenly spaced and that they welded too fast. Most of those knock off companies usually just weld on the outside and not the inside. Would like to see the welds that have not been grinded down on. __________________ Sale: Hello Kitty Horn Button S14 Rear Valences K.Y. Gordon the Thief (Tony Chen)

10-31-2007, 02:23 PM	#15
unicoladron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 40 Posts: 568 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	whip out your dremel my friend. those crappy exits will cause turbulence, but since it's for your NA motor, turbulence should be the least of your concerns. __________________ 1993 KA24DE for sale with 180k..running when pulled.... need to get rid of ASAP...i'm moving

10-31-2007, 02:33 PM	#16
PRADOgy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Japan Age: 39 Posts: 1,161 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: PRADOgy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just take your stock headers and getem machined, and get away with it from poh poh __________________ しょうがない

10-31-2007, 02:40 PM	#17
IIIXziuR Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Left Hand Path Posts: 2,655 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Man that does look terrible. How much $ did you end up dropping on that bad boy? I'm thinking its better to either go custom or a quality after market one. True it is better than stock, somewhat, but the ebay special looks...well special

10-31-2007, 03:34 PM	#18
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 51 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	All the knockoffs look like that, but with the better exhaust flow and reduced weight (the OE shit is three times as heavy) you're not hurting anything by dropping $110 or so on one of these things. I've put OBX stuff on a LOT of cars, no one complains. Sure it's not perfect, but for the price it never will be. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

10-31-2007, 06:38 PM	#22
dirtdiggler666 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: p-dale Age: 45 Posts: 2,113 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	lets see some outside pics __________________

11-01-2007, 12:16 PM	#24
axiomatik Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 4,702 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	will that thing even line up properly with your exhaust ports? look at where the stud holes are relative to the flange. looks like the drilled it free hand. __________________

11-01-2007, 08:49 PM	#27
babowc Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: G.NET Posts: 2,659 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	^indeed. stock ones are heavy as fuck. i regularly lift, but that fucking oe mani caught me off gaurd and i fucked my hand up bc of it. heavy piece of shit. __________________ My iTrader rating!

11-01-2007, 09:42 PM	#28
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,906 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	hmm...welded with a wire fed tig. no craftsmanship. lots of undercut and minimal penetration and the mother fucker is definately not back gassed. TRASH

11-01-2007, 10:35 PM	#29
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	What's wrong with a Cold Wire TIG? __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

11-02-2007, 12:01 AM	#30
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 42 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	looks good to me but could use some more porting....... best bang for the buck... __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...