86 200sx....are they tunable? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

devonkyle77 · 10-06-2004, 05:13 PM

my buddy found a 86 200sx and wants to get it. but before he buys it, he wants to know if any 240 parts are interchangable and if he can drop sr or ca18 in it fairly easily...is there an aftermarket for these? thanks for any input!

silkkysmoo · 10-06-2004, 05:17 PM

devonkyle77 · 10-06-2004, 05:24 PM

naw man its rwd, and i mean ca18det, not the stock ca single cam

420sx · 10-06-2004, 05:25 PM

why would you buy that piece of shit??!

AKADriver · 10-06-2004, 05:28 PM

http://www.club-s12.org/

The stock 4cyl engines are crap, including the CA18ET turbo (IMO). That one's too old to have a VG30... probably an N/A CA20E.

KAs, SRs, and CAs bolt into stock mounts. Wiring is up to you though.

Suspension is the biggest biotch, and the main reason I sold my '86, because there was NO info out there back then. Some people swap to S13 front spindles and struts, and I guess you can use S130 280ZX front struts with the stock spindles along with Z31 300ZX rear shocks. Then... figure out springs.

These cars have a cool '80s retro look and the're pretty easy to work on... but it's not really practical to try to make one faster. Best thing is just to keep it stock, maybe throw on some meshies or watanabes, and just rock it as a beater.

devonkyle77 · 10-06-2004, 05:28 PM

come on now man, if u have nothing good to say dont post

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/240866/1

they have potential...

AKADriver · 10-06-2004, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silkkysmoo

It comes with ca18de already. But it has FF layout.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong on both. It's the US-market S12 Silvia.. FR, CA20E or CA18ET (SOHC 8 valve), or '87-'88s had the VG30E as an option.

You're thinking of the Pulsar NX.

holisticbeatz · 10-06-2004, 05:32 PM

Ohhhhh helll yea they're tunable~! Absolutely fuckin siiik~!

rainier · 10-06-2004, 05:54 PM

deng wide wheels.

Var · 10-06-2004, 05:56 PM

he sunk his own battleship

**ThatGuy** · 10-06-2004, 06:00 PM

That S12 is now my new desktop at work. Thank you, holistic.

-E- · 10-06-2004, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

That S12 is now my new desktop. Thank you, holistic.

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TiNMAN · 10-06-2004, 07:25 PM

so is your friend still gonna get one??

projectRDM · 10-06-2004, 07:55 PM

S12s are the sex. Even better are the older 200SX, S111 chassis. Those are sick women pulling machines.

And that pic is so on, I saved it too.

devonkyle77 · 10-06-2004, 08:35 PM

yeah i think he is going to get it!
anything to be aware of before getting one?
thanks guys

wootwoot · 10-06-2004, 09:04 PM

rust, beware!

MakotoS13 · 10-06-2004, 09:33 PM

a- a forum that only says nice things cannot be trusted

b- they are cool cars and i've seen em modded so that much is up to you. hell, people soup up 92 berettas...

c- the typical S13 has more rust than.... well... a lot of rust. so i can only imagine what an S12 would be like.

Chernobyl · 10-06-2004, 10:05 PM

That race S12... are those hoshino impuls on it? Absolutely amazing!

I love the 80's.

andrave · 10-06-2004, 10:23 PM

same boat as my m30. nice car, RWD, decent engines, absolutely 0 aftermarket support unless you manage to special order from japan. but if you are buying an 800 dollar 200sx, you prolly aren't gonna be importing 2000 dollar coilovers.

SW20Racer · 10-06-2004, 10:24 PM

my buddy has an 84 200sx it has a solid rear axle isntead of irs. for power he's going with a high compression carb'ed out kade (great option not alot of wiring). for suspension he's using custom front and rear strut tower bars and custom sway bars (cost him all of about $150)and he's using hydraulics so now its super low and super stiff. if you go with ka power the only custom piece you will need is 1 transmission mount. i can give you the name of a guy who mastered this swap just pm me if you wanna talk to him

edit: also i can get you the factory aero kit for like $260 (front bumper piece and side skirts) since there a NO body kits readily available anywhere.

Chernobyl · 10-06-2004, 10:30 PM

make body kits out of sheet metal like bosozuku in japan!

Don't forget the angled up 3' tall exhaust with hello kitty exhaust tip.

phrozen · 10-06-2004, 11:33 PM

those hoshinos are fucking sick

old_s13 · 10-07-2004, 12:43 AM

s12's make me want to puke

much like z31's

there are better cars in this world, skip the 80s.. a time when most cars sucked.

SilviaDriver · 10-07-2004, 12:47 AM

yes they can be tuned. its called custom turbo.

AKADriver · 10-07-2004, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

c- the typical S13 has more rust than.... well... a lot of rust. so i can only imagine what an S12 would be like.

My S12 was rust free! My S13s are worse. They used heavier gauge steel in 'em. That's why they weigh sometimes more than S13s...

Andrew Bohan · 10-07-2004, 02:36 PM

isn't that nismo car a 180, not a silvia? the coupe/fb silvia/180 distinction started with the S10 didn't it?

AKADriver · 10-07-2004, 02:46 PM

No, the first JDM 180SX was the RS13 in 1988.

There was an S110 "Silvia 180SX" in Europe, hence the confusion.

S110s and S12s in Japan were sold as Silvias or Gazelles. The only difference between a Silvia and a Gazelle was the dealer networks that sold them and some minor trim like seat cloth patterns and grilles. Different Nissan dealers in Japan are either "Red Stage" or "Blue Stage" (though back in the '80s there were at least four different dealer networks instead of the current two) and they get different car lines to sell.

So yes, there were S110 and S12 Silvia fastbacks.

Redtop_240 · 10-08-2004, 05:11 PM

www.club-s12.org The car is very tunable with the right engine in it, I have had 2 S12's with SR's and one with a High compression KADE setup.....

S12's squat great and make great drag cars...... Driveshaft needs to be modified for all engines including the CA18DET, KA24E or DE, and SR, I have also seen a few with the indestructable FJ20ET (Its a DOHC just not coded properly, basicly its a better form of the SR) and the RB20DET drops in as well...... The wirring is not a hug issue if you get the wirring harness with the engine you buy.....

The CA20 makes a great boost platform seeing as how it is quite an indestructable block, and the CA18ET is crap......

You could aslo go the route of the VG30E or the VG30ET, this car is very versitile when it comes to engine swaps.....

IMO they are great cars.....

Sleeper as hell....

-Jeff
Proud owner of a KA powered S12......
KA-T powered S13
and SR powered S14.....

Redtop_240 · 10-08-2004, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonkyle77

yeah i think he is going to get it!
anything to be aware of before getting one?
thanks guys

Be aware you have to basicly use suspension parts from other cars, mainly you need the full suspension spindles brakes etc. for the front off an S13 and rear springs for a 280Z.......

Also be aware that most are either in great shape or really bad shape due to age issues....

-Jeff

Advan · 10-08-2004, 10:19 PM

I have an 86 or 87 Pulsar NX. My 70hp, with 98lbs of torque is sitting outside of my yard. I wouldn't mind tuning it up, because dropping that engine and replacing it with something a tad bit better, would be really good. But I figured, it would be better to just save up about 3grand, and buy a 240, unless this lady will sell me her convertible 89 RX7.

10-06-2004, 05:13 PM	#1
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 41 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	86 200sx....are they tunable? my buddy found a 86 200sx and wants to get it. but before he buys it, he wants to know if any 240 parts are interchangable and if he can drop sr or ca18 in it fairly easily...is there an aftermarket for these? thanks for any input! __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

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devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 41 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	naw man its rwd, and i mean ca18det, not the stock ca single cam __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

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devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 41 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	come on now man, if u have nothing good to say dont post http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/240866/1 they have potential... __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

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AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	http://www.club-s12.org/ The stock 4cyl engines are crap, including the CA18ET turbo (IMO). That one's too old to have a VG30... probably an N/A CA20E. KAs, SRs, and CAs bolt into stock mounts. Wiring is up to you though. Suspension is the biggest biotch, and the main reason I sold my '86, because there was NO info out there back then. Some people swap to S13 front spindles and struts, and I guess you can use S130 280ZX front struts with the stock spindles along with Z31 300ZX rear shocks. Then... figure out springs. These cars have a cool '80s retro look and the're pretty easy to work on... but it's not really practical to try to make one faster. Best thing is just to keep it stock, maybe throw on some meshies or watanabes, and just rock it as a beater.

10-06-2004, 05:32 PM	#8
holisticbeatz Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: CALIFORNIA Posts: 988 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ohhhhh helll yea they're tunable~! Absolutely fuckin siiik~! __________________ Trust and I don't mean GReddy.

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devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 41 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	yeah i think he is going to get it! anything to be aware of before getting one? thanks guys __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

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wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	rust, beware!

10-06-2004, 09:33 PM	#17
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a- a forum that only says nice things cannot be trusted b- they are cool cars and i've seen em modded so that much is up to you. hell, people soup up 92 berettas... c- the typical S13 has more rust than.... well... a lot of rust. so i can only imagine what an S12 would be like.

10-06-2004, 10:05 PM	#18
Chernobyl Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Age: 42 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	That race S12... are those hoshino impuls on it? Absolutely amazing! I love the 80's.

10-06-2004, 10:23 PM	#19
andrave BANNED Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Burton WV Posts: 2,350 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	same boat as my m30. nice car, RWD, decent engines, absolutely 0 aftermarket support unless you manage to special order from japan. but if you are buying an 800 dollar 200sx, you prolly aren't gonna be importing 2000 dollar coilovers.

10-06-2004, 10:24 PM	#20
SW20Racer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Beaumont Age: 40 Posts: 1,633 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my buddy has an 84 200sx it has a solid rear axle isntead of irs. for power he's going with a high compression carb'ed out kade (great option not alot of wiring). for suspension he's using custom front and rear strut tower bars and custom sway bars (cost him all of about $150)and he's using hydraulics so now its super low and super stiff. if you go with ka power the only custom piece you will need is 1 transmission mount. i can give you the name of a guy who mastered this swap just pm me if you wanna talk to him edit: also i can get you the factory aero kit for like $260 (front bumper piece and side skirts) since there a NO body kits readily available anywhere.

10-06-2004, 10:30 PM	#21
Chernobyl Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Age: 42 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	make body kits out of sheet metal like bosozuku in japan! Don't forget the angled up 3' tall exhaust with hello kitty exhaust tip.

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phrozen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,352 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	those hoshinos are fucking sick __________________ This box is 400x200: Please do not put your sig pic back if it exceeds this. -Moderation

10-07-2004, 12:43 AM	#23
old_s13 BANNED Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 2,824 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	s12's make me want to puke much like z31's there are better cars in this world, skip the 80s.. a time when most cars sucked.

10-07-2004, 12:47 AM	#24
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	yes they can be tuned. its called custom turbo.

10-07-2004, 02:36 PM	#26
Andrew Bohan Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,331 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	isn't that nismo car a 180, not a silvia? the coupe/fb silvia/180 distinction started with the S10 didn't it?

10-07-2004, 02:46 PM	#27
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	No, the first JDM 180SX was the RS13 in 1988. There was an S110 "Silvia 180SX" in Europe, hence the confusion. S110s and S12s in Japan were sold as Silvias or Gazelles. The only difference between a Silvia and a Gazelle was the dealer networks that sold them and some minor trim like seat cloth patterns and grilles. Different Nissan dealers in Japan are either "Red Stage" or "Blue Stage" (though back in the '80s there were at least four different dealer networks instead of the current two) and they get different car lines to sell. So yes, there were S110 and S12 Silvia fastbacks.

10-08-2004, 05:11 PM	#28
Redtop_240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia beach, VA. Age: 45 Posts: 207 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	www.club-s12.org The car is very tunable with the right engine in it, I have had 2 S12's with SR's and one with a High compression KADE setup..... S12's squat great and make great drag cars...... Driveshaft needs to be modified for all engines including the CA18DET, KA24E or DE, and SR, I have also seen a few with the indestructable FJ20ET (Its a DOHC just not coded properly, basicly its a better form of the SR) and the RB20DET drops in as well...... The wirring is not a hug issue if you get the wirring harness with the engine you buy..... The CA20 makes a great boost platform seeing as how it is quite an indestructable block, and the CA18ET is crap...... You could aslo go the route of the VG30E or the VG30ET, this car is very versitile when it comes to engine swaps..... IMO they are great cars..... Sleeper as hell.... -Jeff Proud owner of a KA powered S12...... KA-T powered S13 and SR powered S14..... __________________ JDM JUNKYARD.NET

10-08-2004, 10:19 PM	#30
Advan Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 244 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have an 86 or 87 Pulsar NX. My 70hp, with 98lbs of torque is sitting outside of my yard. I wouldn't mind tuning it up, because dropping that engine and replacing it with something a tad bit better, would be really good. But I figured, it would be better to just save up about 3grand, and buy a 240, unless this lady will sell me her convertible 89 RX7.