lsd vs. vlsd

[whereda40at]

what is the differnce in those two? i have searched for the differances and the good vs. bad of the two and got tired of looking.

which is better for what? drift? drag? can some one help me out. maybe make a sticky out of it.

btw mine is for drag.

thanks for any help

[undesiredshoe]

drag...welded

[whereda40at]

ok that didnt answer anything for me. i still have to drive the car. i dont wana go hop hop hop around every turn i go. its not driven every day but i still dont want it to hop around every turn i go.

can some one explain to me what i want to know.

[!Zar!]

Vlsd is only good for selling to someone who doesn't want an open.

If you're going for drag, a spool or a welded diff would be the best bet.

Your car won't hop bad if you have good tires and a solid sub frame.

[image12]

For drag racing welded diffs have proven to give reliable quality Performance with a cheap price. As you get into cars you learn those are 3 aspects are almost never all together Quality - reliability - cheap in most cases you pick 2

[cdlong]

a VLSD is a type of LSD. LSD is a general term. here, read this. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential4.htm a nissan HLSD is a version of the torsen in the link.

a clutch type is probably better if you have a good amount of cash to spend, otherwise, man up and weld it.

[aznpoopy]

there's a archive faq thread about lsd differences. check there
this forum doesn't sticky every commonly asked question at the top, or else you wouldn't see new posts until the second page

VLSD is good for daily because you hardly notice it
VLSD is bad for everything else because you hardly notice it

for racing and drifting and clunking get a 2 way
for comfy streetability compromise and light racing get a s15 hlsd
for i want full lock 24/7 and got no/don't want to spend money get a welded

sounds like you'd be happiest with option 2

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by undesiredshoe

drag...welded

I wouldnt want to have an emergency at 140mph trap speeds and then take my foot OUT of a welded diff car.

I would die

[whereda40at]

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

there's a archive faq thread about lsd differences. check there
this forum doesn't sticky every commonly asked question at the top, or else you wouldn't see new posts until the second page

VLSD is good for daily because you hardly notice it
VLSD is bad for everything else because you hardly notice it

for racing and drifting and clunking get a 2 way
for comfy streetability compromise and light racing get a s15 hlsd
for i want full lock 24/7 and got no/don't want to spend money get a welded

sounds like you'd be happiest with option 2

well its not like im some minor racer. im building a fast ass 240. i have an sr20 and am almost done with the 2.35 brian crower stroker. next i have to do my drivetrain before i get a bigger turbo. some have heard me talk about it. i just do have a car that can tow the car to the track and dont have a trailer either. so i have to be able to drive it. if welding the diff is safe and cheap and reliable then ill go for that. but why are you sayin to would die at 140 mph steve??

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

I wouldnt want to have an emergency at 140mph trap speeds and then take my foot OUT of a welded diff car.

I would die

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[steve shadows]

1. try it.
2. get the car up to 120 while flooring it.
3. completely release foot on gas.
4. enjoy

[bizzman]

since we are on diff's. I have a S14 with a SR and a NA 300zx VLSD diff. She runs fine till I hit 90MPH and then and there after it sounds like a desiel engine from a train is back there. Scares the shit out of me. I made sure there is fluid in it and there is but it still does it. I think i may have a diff going bad but my friend says its the bearings, I think my friend is an idiot..

[whereda40at]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

1. try it.
2. get the car up to 120 while flooring it.
3. completely release foot on gas.
4. enjoy

im prolly goin to get red boxes for this but i cant tell if you are being a smart ass or not. sorry its the fact you cant show emotion over the internet.

[steve shadows]

no im serious

its not easy to control a car with a welded diff in that scenario

if you have an airport runway with lots of room go try it.

throttle WOT

throttle OFF

120-130 mph on any tires other than hoosiers or victaracers

[azndoc]

LSD>VLSD

For drifting at least by far.

It's like fucking cheating.

[LongGrain]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

1. try it.
2. get the car up to 120 while flooring it.
3. completely release foot on gas.
4. enjoy

ive done it, yea, its scary as shit. but my rear end didnt get too far out of line.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by azndoc

LSD>VLSD

For drifting at least by far.

It's like fucking cheating.

yes but not for grip in my experience.

2 way clutch lsd so far for me is not better for grip

most of the time its a pain in the ass.

I mean you can adapt your driving to anything...but

Im going to a helical next.

2-way is so much fun though (for drifting), you just oversteer punch it and find a neutral spot in the steering and let the car do the work for you.

[whereda40at]

well i have 295 drag radials would i be fine with those. i will eventualy be gettin m/t or some other type of slick for the track

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

1. try it.
2. get the car up to 120 while flooring it.
3. completely release foot on gas.
4. enjoy

Last I remember, I hit 115 in a car with welded diff on bald rt-215's and I'm still alive.

Damn. Must be some magic.

Maybe I should try hitting 115 with a welded and federal's eh?

Anyways, WORST case if the car were to be unstable, you could clutch.


Er wait.

Maybe your car just needs alignment.

2way/spool is SO much better than an open or vlsd. For grip/drift/hardparking it rocks. Only people who can't drive on a competition style setup are those who lack driving skill.

The reason your rear becomes unstable is if you are putting in the wrong inputs. So to me, it isn't about adaptation, but about learning proper driving etiquette. Sounds more like a personal problem than a car problem.

[nevaland9]

just weld the diff and do subframe spacers...i used to clunk around everywhere with the stock subframe bushings but since i did the collars i cant even tell i have a welded anymore, unless the window is down.

just shut up and hop hop everywhere, its a race car thats never driven..who cares.


my car has deff been 150+ with a welded diff on a bank and deff 100+ on a turn with complete traction. im not sure what the issue with high speed and a welded diff is.

man up, get a good alignment & buy a decent diff, you cant win with these cars cutting corners is expensive. do it right the first time.

VLSD FTL

[Sonic Motor]

2 way LSD FTW

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by carparthookup

2 way LSD FTW

thats all im trying to say

get the 2 way.

welded is just not for me or you


or if you are drag only get a quaiffe 1 way.

[tre]

Unless your're running 10inch slicks in the rear for daily driver. Welded is the way to go. ALWAYS constant. No variables, no guessing. ALWAYS the same.

And cheapest lol. If you're going to weld it yourself, don't be a dumbass do it the right way. Its about a 4 or 5 hour process. But hey. I put 60,000 on a welded diff, never broke.

[steve shadows]

there is no right way to ruin an oem nissan rear differential with weld

only wrong

2 way 2 way 2 way 2 way 2 way 2 way

and buy it from Phase2

because they rock

[MomentumGT]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

thats all im trying to say

get the 2 way.

welded is just not for me or you


or if you are drag only get a quaiffe 1 way.

Definitely agree with the 1 way if you're sticking with drag, as you said previously. Could be wrong but who needs a diff to be locked on deceleration in a drag race? A 2 way, in road racing, creates very noticeable understeer on deceleration coming into a corner. Toss in some hard braking and the rear starts to get light and unsettled causing the rear end to step out in our experience. We switched to a 1.5 way and it alleviated a lot of the initial understeer on deceleration just by swapping alone.

-Jon

[240trooper]

my friend has 2x2 and it works pretty good, u just got that clicking noice when you dont have ur foot on the gas going round a turn, vlsd is just stock SE ,works good but its just not that storng. the reason why most 240 have open is so dumasses do go fast and drop the gas round turn ul lose conrol. my advice get a 1.5x2 or 2x2 , or just be cheap and get a vlsd

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by 240trooper

my friend has 2x2 and it works pretty good, u just got that clicking noice when you dont have ur foot on the gas going round a turn, vlsd is just stock SE ,works good but its just not that storng. the reason why most 240 have open is so dumasses do go fast and drop the gas round turn ul lose conrol. my advice get a 1.5x2 or 2x2 , or just be cheap and get a vlsd

WRONG. Way to spread misinformation.

The vlsd was an option as it was/is with most cars. Why increase price on a car when the women who bought it wouldn't even notice it?

And as for the 2way > lsd statement. They both will come from behind you if you give improper throttle inputs.

[tre]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

there is no right way to ruin an oem nissan rear differential with weld

only wrong

2 way 2 way 2 way 2 way 2 way 2 way

and buy it from Phase2

because they rock

Out of curiosity, have you even used a welded?

[xpl2007]

Very Bias!
LSD Wich one 1.5 2 way all those for drag are good i would say 2 way is sick.. Becarefull.
VLSD good to start with to drift and safe.
Welded sucks ass i never seen anyone put it down. Pro or street! Good fore newbies that just want to spin out!!
Just what i have seen on the street and track!

[whereda40at]

well what 1.5 or 2 way would i get from phase2 they have for street but not for race. and which one is good from others experiance. kaaz? nismo? tomie??