Ground-controls?

[JDM S13]

I checked the site and they have them for the S13.  anybody know more about them of use them?
I want to lower my car around 3" or so.  I've seen the 2" drop and it's still to high.  at least with the stock 15".

any recommendations?
thanks

[West]

If I were to get a spring shock combo then I woudl get the Ground Control Coilovers because you can adjust the hieght and you can order it with a specific spring rate.

BTW: 3" is just stupid... good luck finding a shock that will handle anything like that.

[icer]

3" are you nuts my car bottoms out at the stock level.

[AceInHole]

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3&quot; are you nuts my car bottoms out at the stock level.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
higher springrates and dampening would prevent this.... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[JDM S13]

3&quot; isnt' that bad. &nbsp;
My Del Sol had ground controls and I lowered it right to the bottom. &nbsp;spring rate was 400/500, with tokico shocks.
no probs. &nbsp;good ride and awesome handling. &nbsp;I want the same from my 240 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;
What can I say, I hate wheel gap <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[240meowth]

s13 coupe's wheel gap is so big, that i can fit my head into it. &nbsp;i'm looking @ ground control as well. &nbsp;but it said it's noisy, and it's for autoX. &nbsp;i'd hate mine to be noisy, so update me on it.

[JDM S13]

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s13 coupe's wheel gap is so big, that i can fit my head into it. i'm looking @ ground control as well. but it said it's noisy, and it's for autoX. i'd hate mine to be noisy, so update me on it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

yup, that's what I'm worried about. &nbsp;have you called them? &nbsp;Why dont' they make regular ones?
I wonder how rough they are.
I'll give them a call tomorrow.

I need a bigger drop then 2&quot;! &nbsp;

[tnord]

ground control is a great product, especially since they use Eibach springs :biggrin:

[DJ Machine]

i dont see how the gap on a S13 coupe would be any larger than the gap on a fastback. (well, definately in the front, not sure about the back)

[JDM S13]

I know they are a great product,, but is it ok for street use? &nbsp;

[White240sx]

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Unless you run short stroke shocks, good luck. You only have about 2&quot; of suspension travel to begin with...

[JDM S13]

so even if I change the shocks it will bottom out? &nbsp;
How come I never bottomed out my Honda?

[HippoSleek]

I find it hard to believe that you had a Civic lowered 3&quot; and the handling did not suffer. I had GC's on my old hatch and I can tell you that I had to order custom length springs in a rate similar to yours to lower the car 1.7&quot; w/o bottoming the shocks.

Seriously, take a look at how much suspension travel the car has with regular stroke shocks/struts - about 3&quot;. Do the math. You would need to run touring car rates (1200/900) to keep the shock from bottoming and that doesn't account for finding a damper that can handle those rates.

Why not just put it on &quot;bags&quot;

(Edited by HippoSleek at 6:34 am on Jan. 11, 2002)

[HKrpS13]

If you want it low (I think it's about 3.5in.) get,
FRONT
MR-2 rear lowering spring (or maybe it was the front)
REAR
MR-S front stock springs
The ride wasn't that bad.

[White240sx]

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so even if I change the shocks it will bottom out?
How come I never bottomed out my Honda?

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How hard set are you on the Ground Controls? IIRC They have massive spring rates and are suggested for track use only. If you just want the drop, look into the Apex WS coilovers, they are only like $900 now and you can lower your car to your hearts content(camber will be another issue though).

[JDM S13]

thanks for the tip:)

Are the Apex WS good quality/ride?
Those are full coilovers right?
thanks

[White240sx]

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Are the Apex WS good quality/ride?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

They are &quot;street&quot; coilovers, IIRC they are like 6kg/mm spring rates all around, that’s about as soft as you can get for integrated coilovers (but they are still stiffer than 99% of lowering springs available). The only things to be aware of are that: A.) They can’t be used with aftermarket upper mounts (but there are other ways to fix camber). B.) There is no dampening adjustability, which is really only a problem if you like to switch back and forth between dampening rates for track/street use.

From what I hear they are a pretty good for street use. Will improve the handling, and are somewhat comfortable. There was an issue a while back where an owner had one of them snap while driving on the highway. This was determined to be an installation error, which came from the instructions being in Japanese and the installer not being able to comprehend them. But if you have no quells with sparse adjustability, you can't go wrong for $900.

[Takumi]

V-Spec ver. II coilover springs are around $200-$250 if you wanna go THAT route. They lower up to 3&quot;. &nbsp;You can contact ViS Racing about the spring rates and stuff. Eh... they &quot;claim&quot; they're made in Japan, but I think that's bullshit. &nbsp;Probably parts made in Japan, but assembled in somewhere like...Taiwan or something or vice-versa. Just like the so-called &quot;JDM&quot; coilover system by JIC, which is really made in Taiwan. &nbsp;Personally, I don't really feel right about relying on an important part of my car, like the suspension, with a ViS Racing product. &nbsp;That's just me and I tend to be paranoid. &nbsp;I'm just throwing in my 2 cents and giving you another option.

If you want a good suspension, you can never go cheap.

If you want more input about various suspension components, just go here. http://www.240sx.org/links....p>Those are product reviews from various members of 240sx.org.

[misnomer]

#### that's low. If I do anything to my suspension, I certainly won't drop it much more than an inch or an inch and a half. There's a point where the car just won't be streetable. My '89 on it's stock suspension would still scratch on the road when I pulled out of the drive if I didn't go at an angle. . . My '92 is a bit better, but. . . Oh well, I guess I'll always be happy with my stock suspension :-)

[RoNx777]

####...!!! Here u ppl are talkin bout lowering ur rides 3&quot;, where im still debateing between 1.5&quot; or 2&quot; lolz. But then again i live in NYC, the roads are like crap.

[240meowth]

will this help making the ground control to be quieter? or is it BS?

http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/suspension.html