sr done for? try to push start but wheels won't roll

[Indolent]

ok this is all i know, my friend bought a s13 with a blacktop sr in it, guy said it was running but he blew the motor or whatever, cylinder #3 has low compression 60 i believe, and i think he had another sr before the one in the car and the same problem, cylinder #3 low compression, he ran the stock fuel pump, so i assume this guy leaned out the motors which caused em' to blow, the car's been down for 6 months, but yeah starter is bad supposedly, doesn't make any sound or want to click or anything to turn the car on..

but when we try to push start it, we put it in gear and the damn wheels are locked up, they dont' want to roll at all, the motor done for? i'd think so, maybe the motors frozen or something rusted lol

we're gonna try to turn the crank tomorrow w/a socket to help determine the problem(s), just tyring to see any other problems/solutions, let me know what you guys think the problem(s) would be

[waynehead05]

you need another longblock assymbly... basically the motor is seized. i bet you one of the pistons is cracked and has coolant in it.

your friend got shafted.

[SilviaDET]

Originally Posted by Indolent

but when we try to push start it, we put it in gear and the damn wheels are locked up, they dont' want to roll at all, the motor done for? i'd think so, maybe the motors frozen or something rusted lol

we're gonna try to turn the crank tomorrow w/a socket to help determine the problem(s), just tyring to see any other problems/solutions, let me know what you guys think the problem(s) would be

umm, question, are you putting it in gear and THEN trying to push start it? Or are you rolling it in neutral and then putting it in gear and poping the clutch? I assume that the wheels move in neutral or else it would have been tough to bring it home after he bought the car. Also, Im assuming that its a stick

Also I don't really think that the guy got shafted, looks from the description that the seller disclosed that he blew the engine to the buyer.

[bardabe]

Yeha when I roll the car we have in in gear but we have the clutch in. so it roll fine. then when we get some speed we pop the clutch and the wheels just lock up. so I donlt know the car rolls fine when not in gear. Any other options to see if the Engine os frozen?

[aznpoopy]

pull the sparkplugs and shine a light into the cylinder and see what's going on in there.

if its filled with coolant or gas it will also be 'locked'

if you leave the spark plugs out and try to crank over the engine by hand and it still doesn't move, then you may want to find the previous owner and beat the snot out of him.

[bardabe]

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

pull the sparkplugs and shine a light into the cylinder and see what's going on in there.

if its filled with coolant or gas it will also be 'locked'

if you leave the spark plugs out and try to crank over the engine by hand and it still doesn't move, then you may want to find the previous owner and beat the snot out of him.

Will do I'll let you knwo the results in a uh by the end of teh day today. lol eh I picked up teh car for 3K tho. so ionos. but yeah I nned that shit runnigna lready. so if it;s "locked" what shoudl I do? best thing to do? or best way to get it running ASAP. consider the fact that I'm still in Hgh school only work part time and am 16years old.

[Var]

get a new block if it's locked up.


you can try pulling all the plugs like Aznpoopy said, then try to pop the clutch while rolling. It shouldn't have enough compression to lock up the wheels at that point. Then you know it's seized.

[projectRDM]

Originally Posted by bardabe

consider the fact that I'm still in Hgh school only work part time and am 16years old.

Really? Couldn't tell that by the terrible spelling, grammar, and punctuation. I'd have thought you were no more than 12.

[ka24deturbo]

Any cracks in the block? Maybe one of the rods broke in half? If your wheels lock up most likely it's seized or you have a broken rod(s) You don't have a choice but to replace the engine either way because that's a major issue that isn't easily fixed by the wave of a magic wand.

I've seen SR blocks that are pretty affordable or you can just rebuild the current one to be bullet proof, I don't know about 16 y.o. proof.

[-usmd-180sx]

Originally Posted by R240NA

Really? Couldn't tell that by the terrible spelling, grammar, and punctuation. I'd have thought you were no more than 12.

rofl, i was thinking the exact samething when i read his post.. But anywho, it would be a wonderful experience to rebuild the motor yourself at your age. Funding might be a problem.. but the eariler you learn.. the Yoda you become young skywalker.. Good luck and may the good compression be with u in the future

[240Driver39]

Originally Posted by bardabe

Will do I'll let you knwo the results in a uh by the end of teh day today. lol eh I picked up teh car for 3K tho. so ionos. but yeah I nned that shit runnigna lready. so if it;s "locked" what shoudl I do? best thing to do? or best way to get it running ASAP. consider the fact that I'm still in Hgh school only work part time and am 16years old.

so you are saying that you knowingly dropped 3k on a pile of shit...and need it back and runnin asap cause you are "still in Hgh school only work part time and am 16years old"....good investment

[420sx]

come on guys give him a break.


just get a longblock, borrow money from mama. rebuild the blown block too. and keep it or sell it.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Bardabe...sorry to hear about your bad investment. Sounds to me like you will need another short block at least, like previously posted. Just a little information, if the starter will not spin the motor then you have a problem, but by trying to push start it you may have caused a bigger prob. First thing you should have done was pull the plugs and try to crank it with a socket. By push starting you could have bent a rod or valves or God knows what else. Your first problem may have been as simple as hydrolock in 1 cylinder. Building a project car on a part time buget can be very taxing, you might want to do a little more research before jumping into things.

[vinhisbored]

Originally Posted by Jonnie Fraz

Indolent...sorry to hear about your bad investment. Sounds to me like you will need another short block at least, like previously posted. Just a little information, if the starter will not spin the motor then you have a problem, but by trying to push start it you may have caused a bigger prob. First thing you should have done was pull the plugs and try to crank it with a socket. By push starting you could have bent a rod or valves or God knows what else. Your first problem may have been as simple as hydrolock in 1 cylinder. Building a project car on a part time buget can be very taxing, you might want to do a little more research before jumping into things.

From reading the posts.. I think you could tell that the problem isn't INDOLENT's.. it's bardabe's..

[Jonnie Fraz]

Sorry about that...The first post did say that it was his friend that purchased the vehicle. V. thanks for pointing that out.

[bardabe]

Yeah guys the starter is bad. I took it to get tested and it;s shot. so now uh yeah I need a strter. i'm gonna give the car an oil change, take off all teh spark plugs and try to spin the crank with a socket. what size is the socket?

[Indolent]

OK uh good day today (sort of) uh we are able to turn the crank with a socket so I know the engine is not locked or Frozen. We didn't even have to remove the spark plugs so yeah I guess its not that bad. uh yeah starter is dead, so I need an SR20 Starter uh what starter fits it other than the Pretty penny RWD SR20 Starter? I also need a fuel pump.

-BArdabe

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by bardabe

Yeah guys the starter is bad. I took it to get tested and it;s shot. so now uh yeah I need a strter. i'm gonna give the car an oil change, take off all teh spark plugs and try to spin the crank with a socket. what size is the socket?

Have fun with the starter cuz your buying a new one and it wont be cheap cuz its JDM only, there isnt a USDM counterpart for it. *unless you wanna thinker with a KA one and swap internals* Another thing, why change the oil??? If your gonna do that, you might as well drop the whole oil pan and check the bottom of it for metal shavings/fragments and have a better view of the bottom end.

[bardabe]

hmmmmmmm KA internals fit SR starters? I'll give tia shot. I dun wanna spend pretty penys ona starter.

[undercoverdjay]

if you can turn the crank with the plugs is there IS a problem. Unless its an impact wrench or a 4 foot breaker bar thats a metric ass load of compression to turn over by hand. Honestly, pulling an SR is cheese. Pull all the hoses (a/c and power steering if so equipped)Just label the plugs on the wiring harness before you pull them, take pics with a digital camera so when you put it together you arent scratching your head, 2 14mm nuts for the motor mounts, 4 17mm bolts for the transmission mounts and the motor is ready to pull out. Once its out, Id send it to a qualified egine rebuild shop. You're on the west coast, they're everywhere.Watch out for shady backyard shops, im sure they're there too. Save some pennies and living cheap will pay off when you get the SR all done and a nice quick running car. Just dont tear into it, screw it up, and have to sell it off on the board for peanuts cause you fucked up.

Goodluck

[sdtouge]

27mm socket for crank

[Refill]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Have fun with the starter cuz your buying a new one and it wont be cheap cuz its JDM only, there isnt a USDM counterpart for it. *unless you wanna thinker with a KA one and swap internals*

Once I had my SR starter out it took me 2 minutes to take off the 2 8mm bolts and swap my SOHC KA starter motor onto the SR starter. Works like a champ now. Jealous??

[The Hamsterball]

If your friend is under 18, I would not suggest keeping the car.

There are laws that prevent adults from taking advantage of minors in regards to sales.
(That is why you won't be able to buy a new car at a dealership without a co-signer)


I'm going under the assumption that this is an S13, bone stock, with a non-running engine for $3000.
Which is butt rape. I wouldn't even pay that much for a running stock S13.


If you can prove that the true market value of this car is a lot less than what he sold it to you for, and prove that he knew the motor was seized and unrepairable when selling it to you, you can say that he had an unfair advantage on you.
And legally, you could give the car back to him and get your money back.


Go look up those laws, I have them somewhere in my legal book but I can't find it at the moment. Good luck with the car if you choose to keep it.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Originally Posted by undercoverdjay

if you can turn the crank with the plugs is there IS a problem. Unless its an impact wrench or a 4 foot breaker bar thats a metric ass load of compression to turn over by hand.

I am not sure this is right, I have turned over V8 engines with a lot more compression than a stock turbo motor. True there should be a big difference between with and without the plugs in, but with a regular 1/2 inch wrachet he should be able to crank over the motor even with the plugs in.
Something else bothers me, if the motor is not locked up why were the wheels locking up when they tried to push start it? Tranny locked up?

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by Jonnie Fraz

Something else bothers me, if the motor is not locked up why were the wheels locking up when they tried to push start it? Tranny locked up?

That's what I was thinking????? The starter wouldn't cause the wheels to lock up either.......before you put more money into that lifeless shell bring it to a qualified shop that can determine your problem(s). Otherwise your just gonna waste more money. Good Luck!

Your right Jonnie sounds like the tranny is BAD!

[Indolent]

ok today, got the motor to crank/turn with a 27 socket wrench, it turns, now i'm assuming the tranny's fucked? wheels locking up or whatever.. like some of you guys said too lazy to quote, and the intake mani's filled with gas, took off that pipe extension thing that attaches to the compressor for the intake tube, there was oil in laying around, any suggestions towards that, we're planning to tear apart the motor and basically do a mild rebuild/maintenance/sealing it up and what not while it's out

[Jonnie Fraz]

Well guys sounds like you are in for a major rebuild. Looks like you have a couple of options: (1)Buy another SR motor and tranny, but you still do not know what you are getting into. (2) rebuild the one you have, motor and tranny. This option will be more expensive, but in the end you will know what you are in for. Kadeturbo I think you are right this car needs to go to a shop to have it figured out, truly I do not know you guys, but it sounds like you may be in over your head.
Good luck with your project

[Indolent]

Originally Posted by Jonnie Fraz

Well guys sounds like you are in for a major rebuild. Looks like you have a couple of options: (1)Buy another SR motor and tranny, but you still do not know what you are getting into. (2) rebuild the one you have, motor and tranny. This option will be more expensive, but in the end you will know what you are in for. Kadeturbo I think you are right this car needs to go to a shop to have it figured out, truly I do not know you guys, but it sounds like you may be in over your head.
Good luck with your project

i work as a mechanic with my cousin at his shop, we do engine rebuilds, particularly work on off road race vehicles, but engine rebuilding isn't all that hard without the right tools/parts and connections, for the amount he may spend on another sr with an unknown history/condition, he could have a better/fresh motor like he wants

while we're talking about an engine/trans, we have some nice working ka trannies laying around..
iirc the ka transmissions will work with the sr just as long as you swap the bellhousing right? i know i should search but im lazy and there's always someone who'll answer anyway thanks in advance

[Jonnie Fraz]

Originally Posted by Indolent

i work as a mechanic with my cousin at his shop, we do engine rebuilds, particularly work on off road race vehicles, but engine rebuilding isn't all that hard without the right tools/parts and connections, for the amount he may spend on another sr with an unknown history/condition, he could have a better/fresh motor like he wants

I did not mean to insult you, I am sorry if I did. I do believe that rebuilding is the best idea, and if you have access to the tools and your buddy has access to the funds then no problem.
From the stuff that I have read the transmissions will swap as long as you swap bell housings like you thought. From what I understand it is involved ,but possible. I have not tried personally.

[bardabe]

oK guys we have torn down the motor to the bore and the block seems to be fine. there are no scratches or seison on it. the heads are fine as well no cracks or warping. turbo is fine, there was only a little bit of oil in it but from what I understand that seems to be normal and that is why Oil catch cans are sold am I correct? so rebuilding it should not be that bad. I already got a hold of another OEM piston for free so u guys think I can run that piston with new piston rings all arround while I save up more money to upgrade to forged? and if so how reliable si my car going to be? I will be getting a Metal head gasket as well.

-Juanitoe