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Dark · 10-30-2002, 01:37 PM

It's a big world out there and our beloved S-chassis is shared by many in this world. So here is my question why do people get angry when they hear that a foreign magazine has casually called our S-chassis a 200SX? It is in my eyes the truth as far as they are concerned. Most of the S13's and S14's of this world were fitted with 2.0 liter SR20DE or SR20DET. The only countries that got the Ka24E and Ka24DE for their S-chassis as far as I know are the U.S and Canada hence the name 240SX.

In my defense I present to you these articles to read.

http://www.nizanclub.com/Pages/624/Issue65/

http://www.evo-r.com/evorpros15.html

http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms....0205081

Danio · 10-30-2002, 01:44 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So here is my question why do people get angry when they hear that a foreign magazine has casually called our S-chassis a 200SX?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Probably because they're idiots. Where are you seeing people getting upset over this?

*ca18guy* · 10-30-2002, 01:48 PM

Master of the obvious right here.

AKADriver · 10-30-2002, 02:02 PM

The issue is not casual references to homegrown model names.  The issue is people trying to pass off these casual references as fact.

You can call a car a 180SX, 200SX, 240SX, Silvia, or a purple monkey dishwasher.  It's when you say things like "S13 200SXs in Europe came with the SR20DET" or "When it has an SR20DET it becomes a 200SX" that makes you a moron.  There are badges on the back of the car and engines under the hood and that doesn't change.  When stating specs, using any name for the car besides a factory name or chassis number is just plain stupid and confusing to those that don't know better.

As for the three cars you posted;
The first is a JDM 180SX imported to New Zealand (they weren't sold there OEM).  The article calls it an S14 2000SX incorrectly and asks why it doesn't have more stickers.  I'd believe that article as far as I could throw it (straight in the trash).
The latter two are Australian-spec S15 200SX's, hence them being called 200SX's in the articles (DUH)

flipboi13 · 10-30-2002, 02:29 PM

Why did you start a new thread about something so stupid??  If you don't get it by now, don't bother thinking about it, you'll hurt your brain.

camppain · 10-30-2002, 04:27 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (flipboi13 @ Oct. 31 2002,03:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why did you start a new thread about something so stupid?? If you don't get it by now, don't bother thinking about it, you'll hurt your brain.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
very good question?!

care to answer it?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?

fricking idiots <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':withstupid:'>

*Jeff240sx* · 10-30-2002, 04:47 PM

Since we're on the topic of idiots and foreign s-chassis names, I can't stand when idiots try to pass off their USDM 240sx as Silvia, 200sx, ect.
I actually had someone get me on AIM asking for 180sx fuse diagram.  I asked what country he was in, he replied USA, and I immediatly went off.  Then I told him it was a s13 240sx, and he said "Almost.  It is a s13 fastback."  He was certain his s13 hb was a 180sx.  Anyway... just thought it would go with stupid people and s-chassis names.
And yea.  That pisses me off to no end.
-Jeff

ridebmx · 10-31-2002, 08:22 AM

yeah well im going to get skyline badges so i have a skyline!!  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> haha, no but that was a pretty dumb question, I took the 240sx emblem off my car, i just have the nissan on the truck and hood...

Foxcolt · 10-31-2002, 09:41 AM

hmmm... So if I put an sr in my car I can't call it a silvia? Can I still call it a 240? Or will it be stuck in the middle 2via??

What do I do! What do I do! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

My shift boots from Poland so does that mean I have a little 200sx in my car?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

Sorry guys but this whole discussion is really funny. I call my car an s14. That way I don't have anyone jump down my throat if I slip up and say silvia or 240 or something.

Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

240sxtreme · 10-31-2002, 10:05 AM

if you have an s14,then yes it would be a silvia...without an LSD though.

HippoSleek · 10-31-2002, 10:50 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ Oct. 31 2002,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if you have an s14,then yes it would be a silvia...without an LSD though.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
... and a lot of other things, like RHD.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'>

The bottom line for me on what it is has always been what does it say on the title?  That's what you own.

I own a 1995 Nissan 240sx.   <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'>

Foxcolt · 10-31-2002, 11:58 AM

I'm just poking fun. In my eyes they are all the same just different levels of trim. One has SR one doesn't etc etc...

That whole rhd lhd thing sux. If I ever lived in Japan I would buy an s15 and have it converted to lhd like the US. I can't shift with my left hand I've tried can't do it. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>  (imagine Jed in a lawn chair in front of his clip w/ steering wheel from old car bolted on trying to pretend like he's driving <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> )

I call my car Betsy (in private) thats her name, not 240sx, Betsy. If I tried to come up with a name based on the parts that are installed it would be a 240sx/silvia/300sx/s13/s14/soon to be s15 basterd child/mutt type thing. Not pretty <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

SimpleS14 · 10-31-2002, 02:06 PM

Something is wrong with the guys article in the first link.  His car is obviously not an S14.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>   I say who cares what people call an s-chassis car.  Just as long as you own one you should be happy.  What really annoys me are all those converison mix and match names, such as: onevia, sil40, and sil1480.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

uuninja · 11-01-2002, 07:47 AM

damn, came too late to the party.

You can call your car what ever you want, but it won't change what it is. Calling your 240sx a 200sx, silvia, 180sx ect just makes you look like a noob to people with a clue.

Dark · 11-01-2002, 01:15 PM

... sigh

It's been a long and bad week for me.

Making a noob mistake doesn’t make it any better.

So here goes

this is what I said

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

This is what I should have said at the time

In England an s13 is called a 200SX

Sorry for the mistake the only thing that kept me going through this week was this thought "This too shall pass".

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'>

*ca18guy* · 11-01-2002, 01:29 PM

Atleast you admit you were wrong. Now all is right in the world  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

10-30-2002, 01:37 PM	#1
Dark Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 165 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It's a big world out there and our beloved S-chassis is shared by many in this world. So here is my question why do people get angry when they hear that a foreign magazine has casually called our S-chassis a 200SX? It is in my eyes the truth as far as they are concerned. Most of the S13's and S14's of this world were fitted with 2.0 liter SR20DE or SR20DET. The only countries that got the Ka24E and Ka24DE for their S-chassis as far as I know are the U.S and Canada hence the name 240SX. In my defense I present to you these articles to read. http://www.nizanclub.com/Pages/624/Issue65/ http://www.evo-r.com/evorpros15.html http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms....0205081 __________________ 93 Fastback, 5spd with obx shortshifter Power is in the control of strength.

10-30-2002, 01:44 PM	#2
Danio Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SJ Bay Area Posts: 1,002 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So here is my question why do people get angry when they hear that a foreign magazine has casually called our S-chassis a 200SX?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Probably because they're idiots. Where are you seeing people getting upset over this? __________________ DKwan.com

10-30-2002, 04:27 PM	#6
camppain Will never get banned... Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego CA Age: 45 Posts: 1,510 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (flipboi13 @ Oct. 31 2002,03:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why did you start a new thread about something so stupid?? If you don't get it by now, don't bother thinking about it, you'll hurt your brain.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> very good question?! care to answer it?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? fricking idiots <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':withstupid:'> __________________ -=-99 Sentra SE 5 speed-=- -=-95 240 SE 5 speed-=-

10-30-2002, 04:47 PM	#7
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Since we're on the topic of idiots and foreign s-chassis names, I can't stand when idiots try to pass off their USDM 240sx as Silvia, 200sx, ect. I actually had someone get me on AIM asking for 180sx fuse diagram.  I asked what country he was in, he replied USA, and I immediatly went off.  Then I told him it was a s13 240sx, and he said "Almost.  It is a s13 fastback."  He was certain his s13 hb was a 180sx.  Anyway... just thought it would go with stupid people and s-chassis names. And yea.  That pisses me off to no end. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

10-31-2002, 08:22 AM	#8
ridebmx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan Age: 41 Posts: 379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah well im going to get skyline badges so i have a skyline!!  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> haha, no but that was a pretty dumb question, I took the 240sx emblem off my car, i just have the nissan on the truck and hood... __________________ I like my car, you may not...You like your car, I may not...To each there own, right? waiting for the sunken look to be cool..lol

10-30-2002, 01:48 PM	#3
ca18guy Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Clearwater FL Age: 42 Posts: 3,226 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ca18guy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Master of the obvious right here.

10-30-2002, 02:02 PM	#4
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The issue is not casual references to homegrown model names.  The issue is people trying to pass off these casual references as fact. You can call a car a 180SX, 200SX, 240SX, Silvia, or a purple monkey dishwasher.  It's when you say things like "S13 200SXs in Europe came with the SR20DET" or "When it has an SR20DET it becomes a 200SX" that makes you a moron.  There are badges on the back of the car and engines under the hood and that doesn't change.  When stating specs, using any name for the car besides a factory name or chassis number is just plain stupid and confusing to those that don't know better. As for the three cars you posted; The first is a JDM 180SX imported to New Zealand (they weren't sold there OEM).  The article calls it an S14 2000SX incorrectly and asks why it doesn't have more stickers.  I'd believe that article as far as I could throw it (straight in the trash). The latter two are Australian-spec S15 200SX's, hence them being called 200SX's in the articles (DUH)

10-30-2002, 02:29 PM	#5
flipboi13 Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 221 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why did you start a new thread about something so stupid??  If you don't get it by now, don't bother thinking about it, you'll hurt your brain.

10-31-2002, 09:41 AM	#9
Foxcolt Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,264 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmmm... So if I put an sr in my car I can't call it a silvia? Can I still call it a 240? Or will it be stuck in the middle 2via?? What do I do! What do I do! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> My shift boots from Poland so does that mean I have a little 200sx in my car?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> Sorry guys but this whole discussion is really funny. I call my car an s14. That way I don't have anyone jump down my throat if I slip up and say silvia or 240 or something. Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'> __________________ Driftec www.midatlantic240sx.com

10-31-2002, 10:05 AM	#10
240sxtreme Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Portland, OR Age: 48 Posts: 386 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if you have an s14,then yes it would be a silvia...without an LSD though.

10-31-2002, 10:50 AM	#11
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ Oct. 31 2002,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if you have an s14,then yes it would be a silvia...without an LSD though.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> ... and a lot of other things, like RHD.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'> The bottom line for me on what it is has always been what does it say on the title?  That's what you own. I own a 1995 Nissan 240sx.   <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'>

10-31-2002, 11:58 AM	#12
Foxcolt Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,264 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm just poking fun. In my eyes they are all the same just different levels of trim. One has SR one doesn't etc etc... That whole rhd lhd thing sux. If I ever lived in Japan I would buy an s15 and have it converted to lhd like the US. I can't shift with my left hand I've tried can't do it. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>  (imagine Jed in a lawn chair in front of his clip w/ steering wheel from old car bolted on trying to pretend like he's driving <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> ) I call my car Betsy (in private) thats her name, not 240sx, Betsy. If I tried to come up with a name based on the parts that are installed it would be a 240sx/silvia/300sx/s13/s14/soon to be s15 basterd child/mutt type thing. Not pretty <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'> __________________ Driftec www.midatlantic240sx.com

10-31-2002, 02:06 PM	#13
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 42 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Something is wrong with the guys article in the first link.  His car is obviously not an S14.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>   I say who cares what people call an s-chassis car.  Just as long as you own one you should be happy.  What really annoys me are all those converison mix and match names, such as: onevia, sil40, and sil1480.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

11-01-2002, 07:47 AM	#14
uuninja Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reston, VA Age: 47 Posts: 812 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn, came too late to the party. You can call your car what ever you want, but it won't change what it is. Calling your 240sx a 200sx, silvia, 180sx ect just makes you look like a noob to people with a clue. __________________ Lurker Supreme! www.midatlantic240sx.com 91 Coupe 97 KA24DE+T SOLD

11-01-2002, 01:15 PM	#15
Dark Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 165 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	... sigh It's been a long and bad week for me. Making a noob mistake doesn’t make it any better. So here goes this is what I said </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> This is what I should have said at the time In England an s13 is called a 200SX Sorry for the mistake the only thing that kept me going through this week was this thought "This too shall pass". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> __________________ 93 Fastback, 5spd with obx shortshifter Power is in the control of strength.

11-01-2002, 01:29 PM	#16
ca18guy Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Clearwater FL Age: 42 Posts: 3,226 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ca18guy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Atleast you admit you were wrong. Now all is right in the world  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>