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ttaddiction55 · 11-22-2002, 07:43 PM

Spend money on racing seats or a S13 front end yet they never bother to actually upgrade their car's performance?

- '96 240sx SE
AEM Short Ram Intake
OBX Short Shifter
OBX Coilovers
Cusco front strut bar

Dousan_PG · 11-22-2002, 07:50 PM

hehe..that's true. espeically the silvia front end....one word

posers

i have no power mods. but too much suspension stuff. damn i should get on the ball. need a seat too (very very soon). heh..

- '92 240sx
Secret Sports 2-way LSD
RS*R catback exhaust
Tein HE coilovers
Tein TC rods
Whiteline sway bars
Pilot rear strut bar
Do-luck RXB
S14 seats (damn! i'm poser&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>
Apex Rev/Speed Meter
Apex S-AFC
Nismo shift knob (damn poser again&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>
Momo Steering wheel (what are you a racer?)
Sparco 50mm Spacer (poser)
HKB hub
Kosei K1
Southern Ways mesh
Too much neg camber (you drift? shaa)
and much much more (too lazy to type)

ok i'm done being lame. back to sleep.

BadMoJo · 11-22-2002, 07:52 PM

... yeah, maybe they should get on the ball and load up on the sweet OBX products...  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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*LanceS13* · 11-22-2002, 08:06 PM

Actually getting lighter racing seats and getting rid of those headlight motors should drop several pounds off the car...think about it. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'>

Annoying Eric · 11-22-2002, 08:09 PM

Maybe, there saving money for the Real performance mods, I did alot of little stuff before my sr swap, Which is being done on Mon.. Finally..

I have s14 seats also, does that make me a poser.?

Naw.. I'm Annoying Eric. I can't be a poser....

Edit: Yep that last sentence definitly sounds gay.. i think i will change it around a bit..

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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-E- · 11-22-2002, 08:16 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Nov. 22 2002,10:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Naw.. Im fucking Annoying Eric. I can't be a poser....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
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toddnappi · 11-22-2002, 08:21 PM

maybe because if they wanted to go fast in a straight line u could just buy and old nova and a 454 and bam 10s. theres more to life than an intake which adds 1 hp.

RacerBoi · 11-22-2002, 08:22 PM

Ill give it to you for the the front end conversion. But you might as well knock everyone with a bodykit or wing or paintjob for that matter. Most people do the front end conversion along with the sr swap, which gives you more power that an OBX intake. As for the seats, the stock seats suck. A seat and harness that holds your body in place lets you control your car better. I think your picking on the wrong crowd, cough honda cough.

AKADriver · 11-22-2002, 08:35 PM

Some people are happy with the car's performance as-delivered and just want it to look better.  There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that.

I've got a question for you: why do people bother buying substandard, knock-off products, like OBX "coilovers"? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'>

The factory actually did a pretty damn good job tuning the 240SX - it's a compromise for comfort, but if you're not looking to go as fast as possible, a stock 240SX can be a more rewarding drive than a typical modified example.  My bone stock 240SX is the most entertaining car I've ever owned.  I'd love it to be faster, but I don't have an outstanding need for that yet.

My 240SX will probably see a roll bar, seats, and harnesses before it sees any extra power, or stiff springs, or anything like that.  The only performance deficits I've explored so far are in braking and steering feel on center.

ttaddiction55 · 11-22-2002, 08:52 PM

This car is more of a beater right now as I am still deciding if I will buy another FD, WRX, or actually mod it, but I guess you can try to knock me for buying OBX stuff for daily driving <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>. The SS is pretty much the same as the C's or B&M (I had the B&M in my FD) and the coilovers are pretty decent considering what I payed for them. They're not Tein or Apexi, but that's why they're a lot cheaper.

Regarding racing seats, I wasn't talking about S14 seats, I'm talking about ppl spending close to 1k for sparco or recaro seats, not that they're not nice, but I don't see why you need them when you're running a stock car. The main reason behind this post is that a lot of 240 owners throw the 'ricer' term around at hondas and other cars just because they're driving a 240. By using that logic, there are just as many 240 ricers as there are those driving a Honda.

aqwkmf · 11-22-2002, 08:53 PM

hey why buy a 240? why buy a car? whats the meaning of life at that matter? everyone likes someting different on thier mind thats what makes everyones shit more unique....persnoally i like stlye,speed ,suspension and sound....in that order expect.

BadMoJo · 11-22-2002, 09:04 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 22 2002,7:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...The SS is pretty much the same as the C's or B&M....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Umm no!

The B&M is Nothing like the obx bro. Check your facts.

Fresh 240SX · 11-22-2002, 09:17 PM

Well.. i like the look of the seats in my S13.... i was planning on having them reupholstered... the only sparcos i would but are the Milanos.... the black leather ones.. but thats big bucks for seats

I love my S13... but i dont love the fact that i have to dump lots of cash just to have a quicker car.... However my goal is not a 9 second car just something with alittle go and a great suspension to enjoy the drives on favourite roads....

Come spring i should have about $12,000 (canadian) to play with....

Im thinking 1991 or 1992 MR2 Turbo

However there are a few 1998 240's for sale... that are like in the area of $12,000 - $14,000....

so it comes down to it...... Newer car or faster car that already does like a mid 14?

Either way i do love the look of both, espically that S14 (b?)front

Bomix · 11-22-2002, 10:24 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 21 2002,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm talking about ppl spending close to 1k for sparco or recaro seats, not that they're not nice, but I don't see why you need them when you're running a stock car.

there are just as many 240 ricers as there are those driving a Honda.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Shoot. i'd buy a recaros (only) if i had the $$. Some ppl aren't just content with stock seats.. hella better then tenzo Rs

but wait, why would you want to upgrade your engine?...

it's the same thing.. your not content with your preformance.
If you want to get Recaro's first go ahead..

240 ricers always exist... so what..
who cares... honestly now..

And some ppl don't have loads of $$ and can't hook their car up within 2 days just to satisfy those "ricecop ppl" perhaps he's/she's working on it slowly..

having recaro's on a stock 240, and claiming 14.9 is another thing.

whateverjames · 11-22-2002, 10:31 PM

as long as people are doing what they like to their cars, it really doesn't matter. some would say why get the suspension upgrades when the car handles good the way it is. well, maybe you want it to handle a little better. maybe they want better seats, some people hate the s13 seats. maybe they have a wrecked up front end or want a different front end. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh2:'>

SimpleS14 · 11-22-2002, 10:43 PM

Some people go for looks before performance.  If you think about it....its actually cheaper compared to mods.  Also if you decide to give up on your car and sell it, its a whole easier to sell with a stock engine and a badass exterior/interior.

But basically its personal preference....it's their car so they can do whatever they want to it.

Take yourself for example.....

AKADriver · 11-22-2002, 10:56 PM

My stock 240SX, with 12 year old stock suspension (even the OEM struts) and street tires, is capable of enough cornering force that I'm bracing one knee against the door panel and one against the console and hanging on for dear life by the steering wheel.  A good seat and harness combination will eliminate this movement.  It is a performance upgrade in and of itself.  That said, I'll be getting inexpensive seats without much padding, no recline, no sliders, etc, not top of the line reclinable Brides or something.

I can't really knock the OBX SS simply because it's the ONLY inexpensive SS for the car.  Personally I don't mind the long throws, and the OBX's history of breakage (supposedly fixed?) scares me.  OBX coils are junk though.  For the price, you could've bought a quality high-performance spring instead of a poorly made "show coilover".  A few bucks more would buy Ground Controls which are inexpensive AND good.

SilviaDriver · 11-22-2002, 11:19 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 22 2002,6:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Spend money on racing seats or a S13 front end yet they never bother to actually upgrade their car's performance?

- '96 240sx SE
AEM Short Ram Intake
OBX Short Shifter
OBX Coilovers
Cusco front strut bar</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
man stfu already, let people do watever they want with their car. so wat if they are doing a conversion, are they doing it on your car? dont think so, so dont worry about them. if you like performance do it, other people like to do show. so your gonna go knock on the people that like to go to car shows?

MasterOFDrift · 11-23-2002, 12:07 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 22 2002,7:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This car is more of a beater right now as I am still deciding if I will buy another FD, WRX, or actually mod it, but I guess you can try to knock me for buying OBX stuff for daily driving <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>. The SS is pretty much the same as the C's or B&M (I had the B&M in my FD) and the coilovers are pretty decent considering what I payed for them. They're not Tein or Apexi, but that's why they're a lot cheaper.

Regarding racing seats, I wasn't talking about S14 seats, I'm talking about ppl spending close to 1k for sparco or recaro seats, not that they're not nice, but I don't see why you need them when you're running a stock car. The main reason behind this post is that a lot of 240 owners throw the 'ricer' term around at hondas and other cars just because they're driving a 240. By using that logic, there are just as many 240 ricers as there are those driving a Honda.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ok what the fuck. You are comparing people who buy racing recaro seats to people who buy altezzas and large wings big difference. Let me ask you a question how well do you stay in your seat while turing at 50mph? exactly what i thought. The 240 was made for turns and thats what we want to do.

why do people buy any thing before boosting the power of the engine? So they and their car can handle the power boost. You need to have a racing seat or some seat that can hold you in place when you are boosting or with any high powered engine. You need suspension so you can handle the engines new power and speeds you need bigger breaks to handle the extra power commen sense, but obviously not to ricer boy obx.

Obviously you are just trying to strike a blow at us 240 owners I am ashamed that you own one. later man come back when you have a better argument

*DSC* · 11-23-2002, 02:58 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 21 2002,10:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Spend money on racing seats or a S13 front end yet they never bother to actually upgrade their car's performance?

- '96 240sx SE
AEM Short Ram Intake
OBX Short Shifter
OBX Coilovers
Cusco front strut bar</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
And you chose the heaver model 240sx why?
Why not get the s13?

How much HP did that intake get you?  OBX Coilovers??
You obviously paid someone to install your parts for you if you think your obx SS is the same as the B&M.

I'd love racing seats.  Stock seats aren't very comfy IMO and I think racing seats would be a great improvement.

240meowth · 11-23-2002, 04:07 AM

maybe i wrecked my 180sx front....  and thought it'll be better to go w/ the silvia front...  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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95civicEX · 11-23-2002, 04:47 AM

I did things in the order that they came to me, the front end was going to take two-three months to get, so I ordered it up front, then other things came up and I wasn't able to get the motor...now I'm just waiting on a bit of paperwork, as soon as that comes through, I'll have the motor in the car as well.

gschroeder78 · 11-23-2002, 04:50 AM

Is it just me or is anyone else getting tired of these arguments? I keep hearing the same, "You did something to make your car look better instead of go faster so you must be a ricer" crap. Who cares? Personally, I don't want to drive around a POS looking car (like mine) longer than I have to but if you do, cool. Personally I hate the pop up lights on the S13's, good. You might hate the Silvia style lights, fine. So you don't understand why someone would want to replace their back aching seats with something better, too bad for you. Just grow up and worry about your own car. Let people do what they want and instead of throwing out insults give your opinion and get over it.

hurleyboi514 · 11-23-2002, 09:07 AM

i love guys like you dude, you make me feel alot better about myself... haha! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>  everything ive done thus far has been modeled around the DSP autox class, and was sorta just coinicidence at 1st, but now im trying to model it.  so far ive spent like 3k in tyres, springs, shocks, lots of bushings, sway bars, strut towers, and S14 seats and about 500 in fast mods (the HKS hiper, more bling bling factor that anything! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> )  ill probably buy a few more things, but every time i get some money, im more intrested in turn fast parts.  i really need a good seat soon, i cant hardly stay in my S14 seats anymore with those hoosiers...

adey · 11-23-2002, 01:13 PM

Seats help a great deal, proper/good/nice sport seats give you a much more "connected" feel to the car, and you can tell exactly what the rear end (and front end, and tires) are doing. A steering wheel and seat are two very important mods if you plan on driving your car hard at all, even if it's stock in the power department!

You sound like someone who's just eager to call others ricers so you don't feel so bad about yourself. (see your list of "mods" that others have already pointed out.)

My only mods (or should I say rice additions?) are a steering wheel, JIC Coilovers, tires, rims and brakes. I have a seat waiting to go in (if only I could find sliders that'll fit) I guess that makes me a poseur because I have no power mods, eh?

*transient* · 11-23-2002, 08:58 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MasterOFDrift @ Nov. 23 2002,02:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 22 2002,7:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This car is more of a beater right now as I am still deciding if I will buy another FD, WRX, or actually mod it, but I guess you can try to knock me for buying OBX stuff for daily driving <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>. The SS is pretty much the same as the C's or B&M (I had the B&M in my FD) and the coilovers are pretty decent considering what I payed for them. They're not Tein or Apexi, but that's why they're a lot cheaper.

Regarding racing seats, I wasn't talking about S14 seats, I'm talking about ppl spending close to 1k for sparco or recaro seats, not that they're not nice, but I don't see why you need them when you're running a stock car. The main reason behind this post is that a lot of 240 owners throw the 'ricer' term around at hondas and other cars just because they're driving a 240. By using that logic, there are just as many 240 ricers as there are those driving a Honda.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ok what the fuck. You are comparing people who buy racing recaro seats to people who buy altezzas and large wings big difference. Let me ask you a question how well do you stay in your seat while turing at 50mph? exactly what i thought. The 240 was made for turns and thats what we want to do.

why do people buy any thing before boosting the power of the engine? So they and their car can handle the power boost. You need to have a racing seat or some seat that can hold you in place when you are boosting or with any high powered engine. You need suspension so you can handle the engines new power and speeds you need bigger breaks to handle the extra power commen sense, but obviously not to ricer boy obx.

Obviously you are just trying to strike a blow at us 240 owners I am ashamed that you own one. later man come back when you have a better argument</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, I think that about says it all. Why don't you come back in a few years once your balls finally drop and you grow a bit of maturity.

logo20 · 11-24-2002, 12:14 AM

ttaddiction55, the reason a lot of 240 owners go for seat and suspension upgrade first is because they're into autox, CORRECT ME if I'm wrong.  I would do the same if I was into autox, autox seems so much fun I'd like to get into it.

madwilly814 · 11-24-2002, 01:49 PM

how bout... sell your 240 and dont post here anymore.  everyone likes something different.  deal with it and dont bitch about it to us.  people like different things.  some like power, some like handling, some like dragging.  some people like urkel, some people like screech.

NismoGear5 · 11-24-2002, 06:36 PM

ttaddiction55

you and those other people just need to calm down. There is completely nothing wrong if someone like myself does a Silvia conversion. It's my (their) money so it's none of your business.

I paid only $400 for my conversion (on my coupe), and my girlfriend's parents just shipped the front end I personally ripped from a Silvia Qs when we went to Japan this past summer. For her hatchback christmas present I bought her  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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I don't want to jump the gun and get an SR yet, because I might end up being a Farm boy / own half a coffee shop when we move to Japan nextyear. But for now, I'm just going to aim for suspension parts for the coupe.

People that call other people Posers, got some serious Ego problems of their own.

misnomer · 11-24-2002, 11:43 PM

This, my friends, is what we call trolling. Posting in a forum simply to rile people up and cause trouble. Poor trolling at that. Sharing missinformation from a statistic from where? Similar arguments can be brought against any car people modify, be it for looks or performance. You got us on the silvia front end, but a lot of the people you see buying racing buckets early on do it for autocross. In autocross, many people avoid engine modifications to keep them in a particular class.

This post should have never gotten two pages long. I'm proud our moderates are well tempered, and let a lot of stuff slide. The internet was created for exchanging information, but that needs to come with some responsibility and respect. Trolling like this should be deleted or locked.

11-22-2002, 07:50 PM	#2
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	hehe..that's true. espeically the silvia front end....one word posers i have no power mods. but too much suspension stuff. damn i should get on the ball. need a seat too (very very soon). heh.. - '92 240sx Secret Sports 2-way LSD RS*R catback exhaust Tein HE coilovers Tein TC rods Whiteline sway bars Pilot rear strut bar Do-luck RXB S14 seats (damn! i'm poser&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Apex Rev/Speed Meter Apex S-AFC Nismo shift knob (damn poser again&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Momo Steering wheel (what are you a racer?) Sparco 50mm Spacer (poser) HKB hub Kosei K1 Southern Ways mesh Too much neg camber (you drift? shaa) and much much more (too lazy to type) ok i'm done being lame. back to sleep. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

11-22-2002, 08:06 PM	#4
LanceS13 AutoX Junkie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: MS Age: 43 Posts: 2,044 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Actually getting lighter racing seats and getting rid of those headlight motors should drop several pounds off the car...think about it. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'> __________________ 1992 240SX Fastback #47 DSP MS SCCA RX-7 ITS Project FOR SALE

11-22-2002, 08:09 PM	#5
Annoying Eric Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC / Indiana Age: 39 Posts: 831 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Annoying Eric Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Maybe, there saving money for the Real performance mods, I did alot of little stuff before my sr swap, Which is being done on Mon.. Finally.. I have s14 seats also, does that make me a poser.? Naw.. I'm Annoying Eric. I can't be a poser.... Edit: Yep that last sentence definitly sounds gay.. i think i will change it around a bit.. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

11-22-2002, 08:22 PM	#8
RacerBoi Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Annapolis, MD Age: 41 Posts: 130 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ill give it to you for the the front end conversion. But you might as well knock everyone with a bodykit or wing or paintjob for that matter. Most people do the front end conversion along with the sr swap, which gives you more power that an OBX intake. As for the seats, the stock seats suck. A seat and harness that holds your body in place lets you control your car better. I think your picking on the wrong crowd, cough honda cough. __________________ '98 240SX -s13 -> s14 Injen intake swap -B&M Short Shifter

11-22-2002, 08:52 PM	#10
ttaddiction55 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This car is more of a beater right now as I am still deciding if I will buy another FD, WRX, or actually mod it, but I guess you can try to knock me for buying OBX stuff for daily driving <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>. The SS is pretty much the same as the C's or B&M (I had the B&M in my FD) and the coilovers are pretty decent considering what I payed for them. They're not Tein or Apexi, but that's why they're a lot cheaper. Regarding racing seats, I wasn't talking about S14 seats, I'm talking about ppl spending close to 1k for sparco or recaro seats, not that they're not nice, but I don't see why you need them when you're running a stock car. The main reason behind this post is that a lot of 240 owners throw the 'ricer' term around at hondas and other cars just because they're driving a 240. By using that logic, there are just as many 240 ricers as there are those driving a Honda.

11-22-2002, 07:43 PM	#1
ttaddiction55 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Spend money on racing seats or a S13 front end yet they never bother to actually upgrade their car's performance? - '96 240sx SE AEM Short Ram Intake OBX Short Shifter OBX Coilovers Cusco front strut bar

11-22-2002, 07:52 PM	#3
BadMoJo Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo, Ca Age: 43 Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	... yeah, maybe they should get on the ball and load up on the sweet OBX products...  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ ----Gone----

11-22-2002, 08:16 PM	#6
-E- Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Florida, Americas Wang! Age: 43 Posts: 2,912 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Nov. 22 2002,10:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Naw.. Im fucking Annoying Eric. I can't be a poser....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

11-22-2002, 08:21 PM	#7
toddnappi Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NJ Age: 40 Posts: 439 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	maybe because if they wanted to go fast in a straight line u could just buy and old nova and a 454 and bam 10s. theres more to life than an intake which adds 1 hp.

11-22-2002, 08:35 PM	#9
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Some people are happy with the car's performance as-delivered and just want it to look better.  There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. I've got a question for you: why do people bother buying substandard, knock-off products, like OBX "coilovers"? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'> The factory actually did a pretty damn good job tuning the 240SX - it's a compromise for comfort, but if you're not looking to go as fast as possible, a stock 240SX can be a more rewarding drive than a typical modified example.  My bone stock 240SX is the most entertaining car I've ever owned.  I'd love it to be faster, but I don't have an outstanding need for that yet. My 240SX will probably see a roll bar, seats, and harnesses before it sees any extra power, or stiff springs, or anything like that.  The only performance deficits I've explored so far are in braking and steering feel on center.

11-22-2002, 08:53 PM	#11
aqwkmf Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: not there. Posts: 414 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey why buy a 240? why buy a car? whats the meaning of life at that matter? everyone likes someting different on thier mind thats what makes everyones shit more unique....persnoally i like stlye,speed ,suspension and sound....in that order expect.

11-22-2002, 09:04 PM	#12
BadMoJo Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo, Ca Age: 43 Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 22 2002,7:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...The SS is pretty much the same as the C's or B&M....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Umm no! The B&M is Nothing like the obx bro. Check your facts. __________________ ----Gone----

11-22-2002, 09:17 PM	#13
Fresh 240SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Niagara Region, Canada Age: 41 Posts: 478 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well.. i like the look of the seats in my S13.... i was planning on having them reupholstered... the only sparcos i would but are the Milanos.... the black leather ones.. but thats big bucks for seats I love my S13... but i dont love the fact that i have to dump lots of cash just to have a quicker car.... However my goal is not a 9 second car just something with alittle go and a great suspension to enjoy the drives on favourite roads.... Come spring i should have about $12,000 (canadian) to play with.... Im thinking 1991 or 1992 MR2 Turbo However there are a few 1998 240's for sale... that are like in the area of $12,000 - $14,000.... so it comes down to it...... Newer car or faster car that already does like a mid 14? Either way i do love the look of both, espically that S14 (b?)front __________________

11-22-2002, 10:24 PM	#14
Bomix Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PA/NJ Age: 43 Posts: 269 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 21 2002,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm talking about ppl spending close to 1k for sparco or recaro seats, not that they're not nice, but I don't see why you need them when you're running a stock car. there are just as many 240 ricers as there are those driving a Honda.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Shoot. i'd buy a recaros (only) if i had the $$. Some ppl aren't just content with stock seats.. hella better then tenzo Rs but wait, why would you want to upgrade your engine?... it's the same thing.. your not content with your preformance. If you want to get Recaro's first go ahead.. 240 ricers always exist... so what.. who cares... honestly now.. And some ppl don't have loads of $$ and can't hook their car up within 2 days just to satisfy those "ricecop ppl" perhaps he's/she's working on it slowly.. having recaro's on a stock 240, and claiming 14.9 is another thing. __________________ Be Real and Genuine to your car, and it will naturally take it's own shape wootwoot..wanna buy (old pic)?

11-22-2002, 10:31 PM	#15
whateverjames Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis Age: 45 Posts: 2,263 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	as long as people are doing what they like to their cars, it really doesn't matter. some would say why get the suspension upgrades when the car handles good the way it is. well, maybe you want it to handle a little better. maybe they want better seats, some people hate the s13 seats. maybe they have a wrecked up front end or want a different front end. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh2:'> __________________ 02 Blazer X - 90 240SX w/SR oh noes

11-22-2002, 10:43 PM	#16
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 42 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Some people go for looks before performance.  If you think about it....its actually cheaper compared to mods.  Also if you decide to give up on your car and sell it, its a whole easier to sell with a stock engine and a badass exterior/interior. But basically its personal preference....it's their car so they can do whatever they want to it. Take yourself for example..... __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

11-22-2002, 10:56 PM	#17
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	My stock 240SX, with 12 year old stock suspension (even the OEM struts) and street tires, is capable of enough cornering force that I'm bracing one knee against the door panel and one against the console and hanging on for dear life by the steering wheel.  A good seat and harness combination will eliminate this movement.  It is a performance upgrade in and of itself.  That said, I'll be getting inexpensive seats without much padding, no recline, no sliders, etc, not top of the line reclinable Brides or something. I can't really knock the OBX SS simply because it's the ONLY inexpensive SS for the car.  Personally I don't mind the long throws, and the OBX's history of breakage (supposedly fixed?) scares me.  OBX coils are junk though.  For the price, you could've bought a quality high-performance spring instead of a poorly made "show coilover".  A few bucks more would buy Ground Controls which are inexpensive AND good.

11-22-2002, 11:19 PM	#18
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 22 2002,6:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Spend money on racing seats or a S13 front end yet they never bother to actually upgrade their car's performance? - '96 240sx SE AEM Short Ram Intake OBX Short Shifter OBX Coilovers Cusco front strut bar</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> man stfu already, let people do watever they want with their car. so wat if they are doing a conversion, are they doing it on your car? dont think so, so dont worry about them. if you like performance do it, other people like to do show. so your gonna go knock on the people that like to go to car shows?

11-23-2002, 12:07 AM	#19
MasterOFDrift Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: WA Posts: 604 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 22 2002,7:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This car is more of a beater right now as I am still deciding if I will buy another FD, WRX, or actually mod it, but I guess you can try to knock me for buying OBX stuff for daily driving <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>. The SS is pretty much the same as the C's or B&M (I had the B&M in my FD) and the coilovers are pretty decent considering what I payed for them. They're not Tein or Apexi, but that's why they're a lot cheaper. Regarding racing seats, I wasn't talking about S14 seats, I'm talking about ppl spending close to 1k for sparco or recaro seats, not that they're not nice, but I don't see why you need them when you're running a stock car. The main reason behind this post is that a lot of 240 owners throw the 'ricer' term around at hondas and other cars just because they're driving a 240. By using that logic, there are just as many 240 ricers as there are those driving a Honda.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> ok what the fuck. You are comparing people who buy racing recaro seats to people who buy altezzas and large wings big difference. Let me ask you a question how well do you stay in your seat while turing at 50mph? exactly what i thought. The 240 was made for turns and thats what we want to do. why do people buy any thing before boosting the power of the engine? So they and their car can handle the power boost. You need to have a racing seat or some seat that can hold you in place when you are boosting or with any high powered engine. You need suspension so you can handle the engines new power and speeds you need bigger breaks to handle the extra power commen sense, but obviously not to ricer boy obx. Obviously you are just trying to strike a blow at us 240 owners I am ashamed that you own one. later man come back when you have a better argument

11-23-2002, 02:58 AM	#20
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 21 2002,10:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Spend money on racing seats or a S13 front end yet they never bother to actually upgrade their car's performance? - '96 240sx SE AEM Short Ram Intake OBX Short Shifter OBX Coilovers Cusco front strut bar</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> And you chose the heaver model 240sx why? Why not get the s13? How much HP did that intake get you?  OBX Coilovers?? You obviously paid someone to install your parts for you if you think your obx SS is the same as the B&M. I'd love racing seats.  Stock seats aren't very comfy IMO and I think racing seats would be a great improvement. __________________

11-23-2002, 04:07 AM	#21
240meowth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: torrance, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,407 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	maybe i wrecked my 180sx front....  and thought it'll be better to go w/ the silvia front...  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________

11-23-2002, 04:47 AM	#22
95civicEX Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Age: 42 Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I did things in the order that they came to me, the front end was going to take two-three months to get, so I ordered it up front, then other things came up and I wasn't able to get the motor...now I'm just waiting on a bit of paperwork, as soon as that comes through, I'll have the motor in the car as well.

11-23-2002, 04:50 AM	#23
gschroeder78 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Westminster, CO Age: 46 Posts: 507 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Is it just me or is anyone else getting tired of these arguments? I keep hearing the same, "You did something to make your car look better instead of go faster so you must be a ricer" crap. Who cares? Personally, I don't want to drive around a POS looking car (like mine) longer than I have to but if you do, cool. Personally I hate the pop up lights on the S13's, good. You might hate the Silvia style lights, fine. So you don't understand why someone would want to replace their back aching seats with something better, too bad for you. Just grow up and worry about your own car. Let people do what they want and instead of throwing out insults give your opinion and get over it. __________________ 1989 240SX Coupe -Eibach Prokit Springs -KYB AGX Struts -Apex-i N1 Dual Exhaust Westminster, CO

11-23-2002, 09:07 AM	#24
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i love guys like you dude, you make me feel alot better about myself... haha! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>  everything ive done thus far has been modeled around the DSP autox class, and was sorta just coinicidence at 1st, but now im trying to model it.  so far ive spent like 3k in tyres, springs, shocks, lots of bushings, sway bars, strut towers, and S14 seats and about 500 in fast mods (the HKS hiper, more bling bling factor that anything! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> )  ill probably buy a few more things, but every time i get some money, im more intrested in turn fast parts.  i really need a good seat soon, i cant hardly stay in my S14 seats anymore with those hoosiers... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

11-23-2002, 01:13 PM	#25
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,072 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Seats help a great deal, proper/good/nice sport seats give you a much more "connected" feel to the car, and you can tell exactly what the rear end (and front end, and tires) are doing. A steering wheel and seat are two very important mods if you plan on driving your car hard at all, even if it's stock in the power department! You sound like someone who's just eager to call others ricers so you don't feel so bad about yourself. (see your list of "mods" that others have already pointed out.) My only mods (or should I say rice additions?) are a steering wheel, JIC Coilovers, tires, rims and brakes. I have a seat waiting to go in (if only I could find sliders that'll fit) I guess that makes me a poseur because I have no power mods, eh? __________________ Instagram: @SX180HKG

11-23-2002, 08:58 PM	#26
transient Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, California Age: 41 Posts: 2,947 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MasterOFDrift @ Nov. 23 2002,02:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ttaddiction55 @ Nov. 22 2002,7:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This car is more of a beater right now as I am still deciding if I will buy another FD, WRX, or actually mod it, but I guess you can try to knock me for buying OBX stuff for daily driving <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>. The SS is pretty much the same as the C's or B&M (I had the B&M in my FD) and the coilovers are pretty decent considering what I payed for them. They're not Tein or Apexi, but that's why they're a lot cheaper. Regarding racing seats, I wasn't talking about S14 seats, I'm talking about ppl spending close to 1k for sparco or recaro seats, not that they're not nice, but I don't see why you need them when you're running a stock car. The main reason behind this post is that a lot of 240 owners throw the 'ricer' term around at hondas and other cars just because they're driving a 240. By using that logic, there are just as many 240 ricers as there are those driving a Honda.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> ok what the fuck. You are comparing people who buy racing recaro seats to people who buy altezzas and large wings big difference. Let me ask you a question how well do you stay in your seat while turing at 50mph? exactly what i thought. The 240 was made for turns and thats what we want to do. why do people buy any thing before boosting the power of the engine? So they and their car can handle the power boost. You need to have a racing seat or some seat that can hold you in place when you are boosting or with any high powered engine. You need suspension so you can handle the engines new power and speeds you need bigger breaks to handle the extra power commen sense, but obviously not to ricer boy obx. Obviously you are just trying to strike a blow at us 240 owners I am ashamed that you own one. later man come back when you have a better argument</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Yeah, I think that about says it all. Why don't you come back in a few years once your balls finally drop and you grow a bit of maturity. __________________ Learn everything you can, while you still have the chance.

11-24-2002, 12:14 AM	#27
logo20 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 345 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ttaddiction55, the reason a lot of 240 owners go for seat and suspension upgrade first is because they're into autox, CORRECT ME if I'm wrong.  I would do the same if I was into autox, autox seems so much fun I'd like to get into it. __________________ http://community.webshots.com/user/logo20

11-24-2002, 01:49 PM	#28
madwilly814 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 92 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how bout... sell your 240 and dont post here anymore.  everyone likes something different.  deal with it and dont bitch about it to us.  people like different things.  some like power, some like handling, some like dragging.  some people like urkel, some people like screech. __________________ >Super Black '96 5-speed >Kenwood/Infinity Audio >16"x7" Motegi MR7's wrapped in Nitto NT450's >SE Spoiler >Tanabe Super Down Precedo's >'92 Mirage Hatchback >13" Silver Wheel Covers >Rancid Sticker on Rear Window >4G63 Engine Swap, coming in 2009

11-24-2002, 06:36 PM	#29
NismoGear5 Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kochi, Japan / Los Angeles / Manila PH Age: 43 Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ttaddiction55 you and those other people just need to calm down. There is completely nothing wrong if someone like myself does a Silvia conversion. It's my (their) money so it's none of your business. I paid only $400 for my conversion (on my coupe), and my girlfriend's parents just shipped the front end I personally ripped from a Silvia Qs when we went to Japan this past summer. For her hatchback christmas present I bought her  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> I don't want to jump the gun and get an SR yet, because I might end up being a Farm boy / own half a coffee shop when we move to Japan nextyear. But for now, I'm just going to aim for suspension parts for the coupe. People that call other people Posers, got some serious Ego problems of their own.

11-24-2002, 11:43 PM	#30
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This, my friends, is what we call trolling. Posting in a forum simply to rile people up and cause trouble. Poor trolling at that. Sharing missinformation from a statistic from where? Similar arguments can be brought against any car people modify, be it for looks or performance. You got us on the silvia front end, but a lot of the people you see buying racing buckets early on do it for autocross. In autocross, many people avoid engine modifications to keep them in a particular class. This post should have never gotten two pages long. I'm proud our moderates are well tempered, and let a lot of stuff slide. The internet was created for exchanging information, but that needs to come with some responsibility and respect. Trolling like this should be deleted or locked. __________________ Rowsdower saves us and saves all the world!