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how much money is needed?
i just wanna know how much i have saved by buying 97~98 240sx SE so i can take that money put into performance or saving up for SR20DET..etc.
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Well I recently did the 1997-1998 conversion on the car. I thought I'd put down a list of what is needed and the lil modifications required to complete the installation.
The installation was quite simple took about 3 hours (2 people). Parts Required from a 1997-1998: Hood Fenders Headlight Assembly Corner lights Grille Bumper reinforcement Bumper cover bottom fender lining (not necessary) I suggest you have all the parts painted before installing. Remove corner lights, headlights, and grille. Remove turn signals and corner lights. Remove or peel back fender lining on both sides Remove all the bolts that hold the bumper cover to the bumper reinforcement (about 8 of them). there will also be two bolts on each side that hold the bumper cover to the fender (must be accesed from inside the fender. Remove the bolts that attach the underbody plastic lining to the car. Basically to remove the fenders there are 2 behind the doors (the bottom bolt must be accesed from inside the fender) and 3-4 bolts holding it to the car under the hood. (10mm bolts) Remove the 4 bolts that hold the hood. Make sure you have someone help you hold the hood while unbolting. Remove the 95-96 bumper reinforcement assembly. Now install the new fenders, mounting points are exactly the same. You may need to realign the doors, most likely not. Install and align the hood. Now line up the lights, you'll notice the inner 2 bolts that hold the headlight are misaligned (only one hole fits, and trhe plastic stub on the light doesnt line up.), drill a new hole (using the hood to align the light). Now you need to wire up the headlights. i think its a red and black lead. best way is to use a voltometer to test when you have the light on low beam to see if the lead is hot. if you have USDM light, you might not need to modify high beam wires. Once that is done, take headlights out again. Now install the 1997-1998 bumper reinforcement assembly on the car You may need to drill holes for the bumper retainer bracket. Install the 97-98 bumper cover is is up to you if you want to put in the foam padding or not. Install the 97-98 headlights and put the corner lights in. Install the 1997-1998 Grille (it snaps into the headlights instead of bolting onto the bumper reinforcement like the 95-96 did. Reinstall the turn signals and side markers Put the Fender lining back into place Put the underbody plastic lining You'll notice the plastic lining that goes from bumper to wheelwell doesnt quite fit. its not necessary to get 97-98 one unless you want to. just take it out. This should comeplete the install. and it should look like this: ![]() ![]() Thank you Jared (teampulse) for helping me with the install. |
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Danio @ July 09 2002,04:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Your car's beautiful. ;_; Hehheh I like how the hood's blue. ^_^</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thank you.. I chose not the have the parts painted for now. I want to repaint my whole car that starfire blue or Toyota black (209). |
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I went to your site and have to say your car looks a lot better with the S14b front end.
I have been thinking about doing the same to my S13 but not sure about the fitment though. Very nice!!!!!
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sil80 @ July 09 2002,10:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I went to your site and have to say your car looks a lot better with the S14b front end.
I have been thinking about doing the same to my S13 but not sure about the fitment though. Very nice!!!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> thanks. s14b actually refers to the old model (Before minor change). but I dont like the A and be label... basically older models are called zenki (first model) new ones are called kouki (last model) or s14 m/c thats how i understand it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=' ![]() |
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Very very nice <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>
Do you have any other pics of the install besides the finish product? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> I'm going to do the same thing, but on my own and I was looking more alittle more info. Actually I was waiting to see S14vaxlr8 do a write since he took tons of pics. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>
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That blue does look sweet. I have yet to see it in person though. maybe at the convention. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ July 09 2002,4:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Very very nice <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>
Do you have any other pics of the install besides the finish product? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> I'm going to do the same thing, but on my own and I was looking more alittle more info. Actually I was waiting to see S14vaxlr8 do a write since he took tons of pics. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> sorry, I did not bring the camera with me to my friend's place to do the swap. It is fairly simple, nothing that can't be figured out easily |
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Aug. 02 2002,10:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how much did this install cost you?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
$1200 and counting, my swap is not complete yet. I am also missing the side skrits. |
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Grant: Are those 200SX or Silvia headlights? And where did you get them from? =)
Also, what size bulb is in the low beam? I know our US spec ones are H1. . . but I've heard rumors about those being H4? -Rob
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I was about to ask the same thing.....where did you get your JDM projectors from?
1200....damn thats cheap...you must have some kind of hook-up <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
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Actually, if they ARE JDM. . . how hard was it to aim them correctly for LHD? If they're from a LHD 200sx. . . Where did you get them from? I'm actually in the process of shopping for a xenon kit, but if I can find some euro headlights before, that'd be cool. . then I can have both. =)
But if not. . then I'm going to keep my USDM lights. . hey. . anyone out there with a LHD 200sx wanting to trade headlights? You can get that cool USDM look everyone wants, right? haha -Rob
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KoukiS14 @ Aug. 05 2002,2:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually, if they ARE JDM. . . how hard was it to aim them correctly for LHD? If they're from a LHD 200sx. . . Where did you get them from? I'm actually in the process of shopping for a xenon kit, but if I can find some euro headlights before, that'd be cool. . then I can have both. =)
But if not. . then I'm going to keep my USDM lights. . hey. . anyone out there with a LHD 200sx wanting to trade headlights? You can get that cool USDM look everyone wants, right? haha -Rob</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> its the JDM Silvia headlights. Jspec.com imported a set so I picked em up instead of going to the dealer to get new headlights. The beam pattern is not that far off, is shifted a bit towards the left. I havent even bothered to aim the lights, they are fine to me. rumors of the projectors being H4 is false. my lights use H1 bulbs. Compared to the Silvia ones, I think the USDM lights look rather ugly. there is a guy here at san diego (mossy nissan) that can import these lights. he actually has one set he imported. It's for sale for about $680-700. you might be seeing that set of lights on Badmojo's car. |
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Grant @ Aug. 05 2002,11:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Compared to the Silvia ones, I think the USDM lights look rather ugly.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What's the difference? |
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Danio @ Aug. 05 2002,05:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's the difference?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Here's a quick comparison: JDM: ![]() USDM: ![]() Notice the projector is bigger on the JDM version.
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Aug. 06 2002,05:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Danio @ Aug. 05 2002,05:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's the difference?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Here's a quick comparison: JDM: ![]() USDM: ![]() Notice the projector is bigger on the JDM version.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> the projectors are also spread further out, and if you look closely the projector and high beam are actually seperate housings. |
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Did you get some kind of hook up on this conversion? Because $700 for headlights are alot. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>
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Now I can say that his car IS JDM, I thought that mine was until I talked to Nissan. They told me that beam pattern was illegal so I went with the USDM headlights. I have a 1995 240 and I did the 97-98 conversion to the front. But I have to hand it to you man, looks nice.
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240silvia @ Aug. 10 2002,09:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now I can say that his car IS JDM, I thought that mine was until I talked to Nissan. They told me that beam pattern was illegal so I went with the USDM headlights. I have a 1995 240 and I did the 97-98 conversion to the front. But I have to hand it to you man, looks nice.
![]() <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> nonononononono... my car isnt JDM at all just the headlights and grill.. bumper is still usdm.. It does look like a euro spec 200sx however <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'> Thanks... |
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I want to do the conversion myself, but I want to get H.I.D. too. If I got the H.I.D. kit for my car now, would it fit with the Kouki front end, or do you think I would have to get a new kit specifically for the conversion?
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Silviaspeed @ Sep. 06 2002,09:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I want to do the conversion myself, but I want to get H.I.D. too. If I got the H.I.D. kit for my car now, would it fit with the Kouki front end, or do you think I would have to get a new kit specifically for the conversion?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
if you have a zenki front right now, no |
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Grant @ Sep. 05 2002,12:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--Silviaspeed+Sep. 06 2002,09<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Silviaspeed @ Sep. 06 2002,09<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>9)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I want to do the conversion myself, but I want to get H.I.D. too. If I got the H.I.D. kit for my car now, would it fit with the Kouki front end, or do you think I would have to get a new kit specifically for the conversion?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
if you have a zenki front right now, no</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> is it ok to get a HID kit once you change the front to Kouki....since the headlights have a different bulb requiring a different kit from the Zenki. Oh yea what are the bulbs for high beam and low beam?
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My low beams on the Zenki are 9003, not sure what the high beams are. Maybe 9006?
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Grant @ July 09 2002,2:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well I recently did the 1997-1998 conversion on the car. I thought I'd put down a list of what is needed and the lil modifications required to complete the installation.
Parts Required from a 1997-1998: Hood Fenders Headlight Assembly Corner lights Grille Bumper reinforcement Bumper cover bottom fender lining (not necessary)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I was wondering if when you mention the parts such as the headlight assembly and corner lights, does that also include the lense and housing, and cover? And for the hood does that also mean that hood seals and bumpers are also needed?
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sniper-X @ Sep. 10 2002,04:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was wondering if when you mention the parts such as the headlight assembly and corner lights, does that also include the lense and housing, and cover? And for the hood does that also mean that hood seals and bumpers are also needed?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The headlight assembly and corners includes the housing, lenses and cover. As for the hood everything is included, I can give you part numbers if you want to order this stuff from the dealership.
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