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JellyBean · 01-20-2003, 05:14 PM

Instead of buying a SR20DET thats expensive do you think its possible to put a 4G63T into the s14??

**Phlip** · 01-20-2003, 05:17 PM

That engine was tranverse mounted (sideways for FWD) in all applications, even AWD... the work that would go into custom making that work would be far more than a simple SR swap or turbo KA...

JellyBean · 01-20-2003, 05:19 PM

oh...Ime just trying to figure a way I can have a turbocharged engine for about 3-4k installed. Couldnt hurt to ask. =P

X3n0ph0b3 · 01-20-2003, 05:26 PM

3-4K can get an s13 sr installed easily. Go check out Dauntless's website

JellyBean · 01-20-2003, 05:34 PM

3-4k with the engine+install??? got url to Dauntless's website?

X3n0ph0b3 · 01-20-2003, 05:36 PM

You can find Dauntless's website here.

JellyBean · 01-20-2003, 05:45 PM

S14 SR20DET Black Top with VVT: $3,200

Thats for just the engine =(

Ime guessing for 3k I can make the US s14 engine turbocharged.

tnord · 01-20-2003, 05:48 PM

i would say 3-4k will get you a pretty poopy swap. mind you i've never done it, nor do i know anybody that does it. but considering that the engine itself costs almost 3k, i don't see how you can get it done for 3-4. all too often people ignore the little costs that are associated with these things, such as fluids, mounts, gaskets, etc. not to mention shipping, downtime, and other unexpected costs. when taking on a project like this, it's safe to say that you can estimate your cost, then multiply it by 1.5-2 to get your REAL cost.

misnomer · 01-21-2003, 12:23 AM

meh, redtops are going for 2000-2500. Labor and additional **** generally wouldn't be more than $2000.

wpayne · 01-21-2003, 12:32 AM

Theres a guy in the chat section, maybe tech section that can get an engine for about $1800, then add on maybe 2-300 for fluids/oils and what not and small extra parts. And he charges $700 to do the labour. If you help him out, then he'll do it for about $300.

JellyBean · 01-21-2003, 09:07 AM

WOW, cool thx.

wren240sx · 01-21-2003, 09:30 AM

that srkperformance guy?

moose · 01-21-2003, 09:50 AM

boys, gentlemen..
I direct your attention to a little site I like to call EBAY. Ebay motors has got you covered for J-spec engines that come from companies. You set your limits and just wait, or bid as high as you want. Check it out, SR engines cheaper than you guys think.
I was thinking, what about an RB26DETT drop into an S14?

240 2NR · 01-21-2003, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by moose
boys, gentlemen..

I was thinking, what about an RB26DETT drop into an S14?

Not for $3-4K. I'd guess $8k minimum for a decent job. A lot more custom fab work for any engine not originally intended for that bay. Considering a decent SR swap STARTS at $4k installed, an RB installed wouldn't be any less.

Jellybean- if your KA is still healthy a low boost turbo could be done for your allotted budget with greater ease IMO. Plus it allows for more time to acquire and upgrade in peices. A turbo, now, an intercooler later (plus they fit in your living room better while they await installation). The SR is one pretty big chunk of change in itself.

Eiether way, don't cheap out. There's a big difference between low cost and cutting corners. The latter tends to bite you in the ass down the road, the former requires greater knowledge of a complicated subject. I suggest reading Maximum Boost before tackling a turbo project on your own should you go that route.

JellyBean · 01-21-2003, 10:35 AM

Yeah, I thought about going slow, I would start with injectors and a safc then go on from there like the next step.

edit-- Ime almost ready to buy a car, Ime still decideing to get a gst eclipse(2gen) or a 240sx. I really want a 240sx because its not a child car like the eclipse, that and everyone and there mom has a eclipse.

moose · 01-21-2003, 10:38 AM

jellybean try ebay for your needs. Turbo's aren't hard to find and usually are cheap. If you run higher boost don't remember to build the bottom end.

JellyBean · 01-21-2003, 10:47 AM

Can I have a turbo timer without having a turbo so I can cool down the engine??

Also look at my post above, I have a edit.

Foxcolt · 01-21-2003, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by moose
boys, gentlemen..
I direct your attention to a little site I like to call EBAY. Ebay motors has got you covered for J-spec engines that come from companies. You set your limits and just wait, or bid as high as you want. Check it out, SR engines cheaper than you guys think.
I was thinking, what about an RB26DETT drop into an S14?

Please don't think of buying an engine from ebay. Nor persuade other's to do so. If you do a little bit of reasearch you'll find that most of those people are frauds and the one's who aren't sell you an incomplete motor. no wiring harness, no ignitor chip, no mafs, broken CAS, Dented oilpan. It goes on and on.

If a person can't gaurantee you at LEAST a complete and uncut harness than your getting ripped off.

Foxcolt · 01-21-2003, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by JellyBean
Can I have a turbo timer without having a turbo so I can cool down the engine??

Also look at my post above, I have a edit.

Yeah, if you like getting made fun of

JellyBean · 01-21-2003, 11:30 AM

Foxcolt · 01-21-2003, 11:38 AM

Just so you know.

A turbo timer doesn't cool the motor down. It cools the oil flowing into the turbo down. So it'd be pretty useless in a NA car.

Sometimes the oil gets coked up in the bearing section of the turbo turning all gooey and crap and breaking things.

rarley does this ever happen, but it's always nice to have a turbo timer just as peice of mind. Especially after driving the car hard for a while.

240 2NR · 01-21-2003, 11:44 AM

Are you in the habit of parking the car HOT? Unless you tear ass around town and shut it down right away, you're not in any need. Just be prudent about your driving, take the last minute or two easy and if need be, let it idle a few extra seconds before shutting down (usually wait till I'm ready to get out before I shut off the car). Also consider that cars need time to warm up as well. Especially in the cold. Give it some time before heading out and I like to keep the revs below 3k until the temp needle has begun to rise.

JellyBean · 01-21-2003, 12:02 PM

Well, usually I tear around town, I never start a race but if someone revs near me its on, especialy when Ime cruisin and IC a ricer, I will usuall go from 4th to 3rd to 2nd and gun it till I redline then switch. Ime use to my 3000gt it goes 1st 1-45 2nd 45-95 3rd 95-127 and 4th and fifth I use never when I race. But yeah I gun it alot, and I am planning on getting turbo and I want to be ready for turbo, so I want everything in, like the safc, injectors, waldro pump, turbo timer and so on. Then when its got the compression I want I gonna add turbo.

wpayne · 01-21-2003, 01:26 PM

The point of a turbo-timer is to keep the engine on to keep the oil circulating through the engine AND the turbine. From hard running, the turbine generates tremendous heat. If the car is shut off right after driving, the oil in the turbine will stay in there and the heat will boil the oil and create a sorts of sludge in it. The turbo-timer keeps the oil moving so that the turbine can be cooled down to a level where it won't be too hot.

**Phlip** · 01-22-2003, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by wpayne
The point of a turbo-timer is to keep the engine on to keep the oil circulating through the engine AND the turbine. From hard running, the turbine generates tremendous heat. If the car is shut off right after driving, the oil in the turbine will stay in there and the heat will boil the oil and create a sorts of sludge in it. The turbo-timer keeps the oil moving so that the turbine can be cooled down to a level where it won't be too hot.

Don't forget about the fact that the turbo will keep spinning with the engine shut down without the benefit of new oil pumping thru it, which is what causes the oil coking on the bearing also due to the aforementioned heat... The turbo timer (or waiting in the car for those without the benefit) allows time for the turbo to slow down also to a less detrimental speed...

HippoSleek · 01-22-2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by JellyBean
Well, usually I tear around town, I never start a race but if someone revs near me its on, especialy when Ime cruisin and IC a ricer, I will usuall go from 4th to 3rd to 2nd and gun it till I redline then switch. Ime use to my 3000gt it goes 1st 1-45 2nd 45-95 3rd 95-127 and 4th and fifth I use never when I race. But yeah I gun it alot, and I am planning on getting turbo and I want to be ready for turbo, so I want everything in, like the safc, injectors, waldro pump, turbo timer and so on. Then when its got the compression I want I gonna add turbo.

This post was bad straight out of the box.

JellyBean - I think NICO has all the answers you seek.

tnord · 01-22-2003, 01:02 PM

on second thought, i should encourage people to take on the "under 3k swap" so when they run out of money, i buy the car from them dirt cheap and finish the project. then i'd rip around for a bit, then sell the car for a decent profit.

01-20-2003, 05:14 PM	#1
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmm was curious if you can do this. Instead of buying a SR20DET thats expensive do you think its possible to put a 4G63T into the s14??

01-20-2003, 05:17 PM	#2
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,980 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	That engine was tranverse mounted (sideways for FWD) in all applications, even AWD... the work that would go into custom making that work would be far more than a simple SR swap or turbo KA... __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

01-21-2003, 12:23 AM	#9
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	meh, redtops are going for 2000-2500. Labor and additional **** generally wouldn't be more than $2000. __________________ Rowsdower saves us and saves all the world!

01-21-2003, 12:32 AM	#10
wpayne Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Okinawa, Japan + Azusa, CA Posts: 563 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Theres a guy in the chat section, maybe tech section that can get an engine for about $1800, then add on maybe 2-300 for fluids/oils and what not and small extra parts. And he charges $700 to do the labour. If you help him out, then he'll do it for about $300. __________________ Too many people use cars as an extension of their PENIS and they make me sick. A car is to get you from point A to point B or for motorsports. Not revving around town at stop lights. Check out my mods!: 50,000watt super amp and JDM lights!! Yeah right... S13 Silvia K's I got for free (I'm in japan now)!! Woot woot! '99 25GT-T Skyline (I don't want to list all the parts) http://welcome.to/skylinegtr '92 240sx HB

01-21-2003, 09:30 AM	#12
wren240sx Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: gulfbreeze, fl Age: 42 Posts: 102 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that srkperformance guy? __________________ 1991 240sx se red w/ big #$* dent in it!! 5 speed injen cai apexi n1 dual unorthadox pulley set oh yeah and a blown motor

01-20-2003, 05:19 PM	#3
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh...Ime just trying to figure a way I can have a turbocharged engine for about 3-4k installed. Couldnt hurt to ask. =P

01-20-2003, 05:26 PM	#4
X3n0ph0b3 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Where the hell am I? Age: 81 Posts: 6 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	3-4K can get an s13 sr installed easily. Go check out Dauntless's website

01-20-2003, 05:34 PM	#5
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	3-4k with the engine+install??? got url to Dauntless's website?

01-20-2003, 05:36 PM	#6
X3n0ph0b3 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Where the hell am I? Age: 81 Posts: 6 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You can find Dauntless's website here.

01-20-2003, 05:45 PM	#7
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	S14 SR20DET Black Top with VVT: $3,200 Thats for just the engine =( Ime guessing for 3k I can make the US s14 engine turbocharged.

01-20-2003, 05:48 PM	#8
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i would say 3-4k will get you a pretty poopy swap. mind you i've never done it, nor do i know anybody that does it. but considering that the engine itself costs almost 3k, i don't see how you can get it done for 3-4. all too often people ignore the little costs that are associated with these things, such as fluids, mounts, gaskets, etc. not to mention shipping, downtime, and other unexpected costs. when taking on a project like this, it's safe to say that you can estimate your cost, then multiply it by 1.5-2 to get your REAL cost.

01-21-2003, 09:07 AM	#11
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	WOW, cool thx.

01-21-2003, 09:50 AM	#13
moose Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Brunswick, CANADA Age: 40 Posts: 246 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	boys, gentlemen.. I direct your attention to a little site I like to call EBAY. Ebay motors has got you covered for J-spec engines that come from companies. You set your limits and just wait, or bid as high as you want. Check it out, SR engines cheaper than you guys think. I was thinking, what about an RB26DETT drop into an S14? __________________

01-21-2003, 10:35 AM	#15
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, I thought about going slow, I would start with injectors and a safc then go on from there like the next step. edit-- Ime almost ready to buy a car, Ime still decideing to get a gst eclipse(2gen) or a 240sx. I really want a 240sx because its not a child car like the eclipse, that and everyone and there mom has a eclipse. Last edited by JellyBean; 01-21-2003 at 10:38 AM..

01-21-2003, 10:38 AM	#16
moose Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Brunswick, CANADA Age: 40 Posts: 246 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	jellybean try ebay for your needs. Turbo's aren't hard to find and usually are cheap. If you run higher boost don't remember to build the bottom end. __________________

01-21-2003, 10:47 AM	#17
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Can I have a turbo timer without having a turbo so I can cool down the engine?? Also look at my post above, I have a edit.

01-21-2003, 11:30 AM	#20
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lol

01-21-2003, 11:38 AM	#21
Foxcolt Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,264 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just so you know. A turbo timer doesn't cool the motor down. It cools the oil flowing into the turbo down. So it'd be pretty useless in a NA car. Sometimes the oil gets coked up in the bearing section of the turbo turning all gooey and crap and breaking things. rarley does this ever happen, but it's always nice to have a turbo timer just as peice of mind. Especially after driving the car hard for a while. __________________ Driftec www.midatlantic240sx.com

01-21-2003, 11:44 AM	#22
240 2NR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 1,131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Are you in the habit of parking the car HOT? Unless you tear ass around town and shut it down right away, you're not in any need. Just be prudent about your driving, take the last minute or two easy and if need be, let it idle a few extra seconds before shutting down (usually wait till I'm ready to get out before I shut off the car). Also consider that cars need time to warm up as well. Especially in the cold. Give it some time before heading out and I like to keep the revs below 3k until the temp needle has begun to rise. __________________ Steve 93 240sx FB currently very clean and for sale

01-21-2003, 12:02 PM	#23
JellyBean Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, usually I tear around town, I never start a race but if someone revs near me its on, especialy when Ime cruisin and IC a ricer, I will usuall go from 4th to 3rd to 2nd and gun it till I redline then switch. Ime use to my 3000gt it goes 1st 1-45 2nd 45-95 3rd 95-127 and 4th and fifth I use never when I race. But yeah I gun it alot, and I am planning on getting turbo and I want to be ready for turbo, so I want everything in, like the safc, injectors, waldro pump, turbo timer and so on. Then when its got the compression I want I gonna add turbo.

01-21-2003, 01:26 PM	#24
wpayne Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Okinawa, Japan + Azusa, CA Posts: 563 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The point of a turbo-timer is to keep the engine on to keep the oil circulating through the engine AND the turbine. From hard running, the turbine generates tremendous heat. If the car is shut off right after driving, the oil in the turbine will stay in there and the heat will boil the oil and create a sorts of sludge in it. The turbo-timer keeps the oil moving so that the turbine can be cooled down to a level where it won't be too hot. __________________ Too many people use cars as an extension of their PENIS and they make me sick. A car is to get you from point A to point B or for motorsports. Not revving around town at stop lights. Check out my mods!: 50,000watt super amp and JDM lights!! Yeah right... S13 Silvia K's I got for free (I'm in japan now)!! Woot woot! '99 25GT-T Skyline (I don't want to list all the parts) http://welcome.to/skylinegtr '92 240sx HB

01-22-2003, 01:02 PM	#27
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	on second thought, i should encourage people to take on the "under 3k swap" so when they run out of money, i buy the car from them dirt cheap and finish the project. then i'd rip around for a bit, then sell the car for a decent profit.