Tsuchiya Keiichi on the S14.. - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

aeontony · 07-12-2003, 01:05 PM

(With the SR, of course)

I've been reading Tsuchiya's FR techniques book, and in the last section he rates all the FR cars based on his own personal criteria-e.g. handling, price, upgradeability, practicality..(GTR included, because I guess it's RWD most times).

Here's a rundown:
Supra-90%
Soarer (SC400)-85%
Toyota MarkII Tourer V-98%
180SX-85%
Skyline GTS-80%
Skyline GTR-90%
Z32-85%
Miata-90%
RX-7-85%
Legacy RS-85%
Cappucino-85%
Beemer 318is-85%
Porsche 911-90%
Ferrari F355-95%
NSX-R-98%

(drumroll..)
and the S14 gets-95%

On par with the F355, from this guy. Not bad from a professional driver..

He says, of the Siliva:
"The perfect car for learning FR"
"Easily acquirable, with a wide powerband, it's among the easiest to learn throttle control with (the Silvia)"

The minuses come with a slightly weak chassis/bushings and the S14's slightly bigger-than-necessary size.

Bill Roberts · 07-12-2003, 01:29 PM

http://www.j-racing.co.uk/drivers/keiichitsuchiya.htm

http://www.driftclub.com/DriftKing.htm

http://www.sileightymania.com/journal/journal.asp

Just more good reads.

mistert · 07-12-2003, 02:26 PM

is keiichi's book available in engrish? i really really wanna read it!

aeontony · 07-12-2003, 06:00 PM

It's really a good read..but there is no English translation. I only discovered it at the back of some used Japanese bookstore..I had no idea he actually wrote books. Apparently Red Badge publishes a whole bunch of driving techniques book. Tsuchiya even wrote a secret to drifting book, also published by Red Badge. I also picked up a "Hashiriya Hero ni Naru Hon" (Becoming a Hashiriya Hero). Man..talk about a difference in cultures.

Dousan_PG · 07-12-2003, 06:03 PM

hehe..i saw a few for sale at the bookstore (japanese one) a while back. i was going to buy them but why, i cant read japanese hahaha..it was a technique book as well.

thanks for the info aeontony!

i know S14 is 'the' drift car..ive read it/heard it from a few different sources. stiff chassis from the factory..espeicially the MCS14!

*revat619* · 07-12-2003, 10:06 PM

S14 the drift car? Really?

Aaron, please enlighten me.

My kouki doesnt seem all that stiff if at all. A LOT of body roll, man I need sway-bars so bad!

Dousan_PG · 07-12-2003, 10:16 PM

your missing a big point

the chassis is stiff

build around that. suspension, sways.etc
you got a stiff chassis already..

*revat619* · 07-12-2003, 10:25 PM

Oh yeah, duh. Chassis does not equal suspension....

....i'm such an idiot. Sorry about that man.

I think it might be the sleep depravation. I'm comin up on 30 hours and it's starting to take its toll...

Dousan_PG · 07-12-2003, 10:27 PM

no worries bro
get some sleep
get your car on the track next

hehe...
see you at dd7? u go to hyperfest? i sure as hell wasnt paying 15 bucks to watch!! haha..who won who won?

Anubis · 07-13-2003, 03:58 AM

what about MR-2? I thought that was one of Tsuchiya's fav. cars.

aeontony · 07-13-2003, 11:49 AM

It may be..but it's classified MR (hence the name).

aeontony · 07-13-2003, 11:53 AM

But why does he have an NSX in there..
Hm..does anyone know if the Japanese NSX-Rs are actually front engined?

Dousan_PG · 07-13-2003, 12:01 PM

no they are MR
but i've seen keiichi drift 100% stock NSX like it was a s14/s13..etc

its insane
he loves that car.

doriftokouki · 07-13-2003, 01:56 PM

MCS14!!!! YA!!!!!!!!!!

nissan slut · 07-13-2003, 02:28 PM

hey dous what exactly makes the mcs14 better then regular s14?

pruto · 07-13-2003, 04:02 PM

from what i've been told, the zenki s14 was made with weight saving holes in the chasis body, while the kouki s14 lack these. The difference is, zenki s14s are lighter, kouki s14s have a stiffer chasis.IRC the weight difference was around 100lbs.

there is probably other things done to it too but none that i'm aware of.

Ryan of Velocity · 07-13-2003, 04:11 PM

Haha, my favorite car got a 98%

"Toyota MarkII Tourer V-98%"

doriftokouki · 07-13-2003, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pruto
from what i've been told, the zenki s14 was made with weight saving holes in the chasis body, while the kouki s14 lack these. The difference is, zenki s14s are lighter, kouki s14s have a stiffer chasis.IRC the weight difference was around 100lbs.

there is probably other things done to it too but none that i'm aware of.

Cool, glad I got a base model 97 then! Stiffer chassis and still the same weight as a zenki SE, best of both worlds!

BuryTheNeedle · 07-14-2003, 03:19 AM

Where is the Hachi in all of that??? Thats one of his fav cars.

Dousan_PG · 07-14-2003, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BuryTheNeedle
Where is the Hachi in all of that??? Thats one of his fav cars.

dood
stock hachis are the SUCK
i drove a few..WOW are they pure crap
see the beauty of a hiach is, sucks for handling but if you can do it RIGHt, its vrey rewarded

someone who can drive excellent in a hachi is more likely a great driver all around. every hachi owern i speak with tells me that they suck but they multiply your error by A LOT. so you really see where you suck. so over time you improve.

stock: slow, handle like crap

modified and w/ a great driver: can be an awesome car

hachi i drove..wow, what a disappointment (100%) stock.
now built hachis (ridden in) with a great driver..CRAZY

BuryTheNeedle · 07-14-2003, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dousan36
dood
stock hachis are the SUCK
i drove a few..WOW are they pure crap
see the beauty of a hiach is, sucks for handling but if you can do it RIGHt, its vrey rewarded

someone who can drive excellent in a hachi is more likely a great driver all around. every hachi owern i speak with tells me that they suck but they multiply your error by A LOT. so you really see where you suck. so over time you improve.

stock: slow, handle like crap

modified and w/ a great driver: can be an awesome car

hachi i drove..wow, what a disappointment (100%) stock.
now built hachis (ridden in) with a great driver..CRAZY

Sorry, i didnt know he was just comparing cars that were stock.

Dousan_PG · 07-14-2003, 03:42 AM

pretty sure but not 100% sure.
reading the list, all thsoe cars stock are pretty impressive in one way or another.

nothing really impressive for ae86 comes to mind...

BuryTheNeedle · 07-14-2003, 03:43 AM

Whats a Cappucino then?

boro240 · 07-14-2003, 04:14 AM

Suzuki Cappucino

Front-engined, Fwd.
Inline-3, dohc, 4v/cyl, turbo.
64 hp, 76 lbft tq
700 kg
Top Speed 93 mph
0-60 mph 11.3 sec

i dont know why its on the list, its FF. Legacy too, thats AWD. (that and the NSX-R, which is MR, but already mentioned).

AKADriver · 07-14-2003, 08:41 AM

Cappis are FR, not FF. Tiny things but they look like insane amounts of fun. SO LIGHT!

Mr.AppLe · 07-14-2003, 08:58 AM

the mr-2 AND Nsx is -MR- The article only states -FR

drift freaq · 07-14-2003, 11:22 AM

funny thing is every car he listed is only covers the last ten years or so of production. There are some cars from the 70's and 80's that are quite competitive and right up there with the cars he listed. People , this is one professionals opinion. I would not take it as gospel in the least. IMHO

07-12-2003, 01:05 PM	#1
aeontony Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norcal Posts: 303 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Tsuchiya Keiichi on the S14.. (With the SR, of course) I've been reading Tsuchiya's FR techniques book, and in the last section he rates all the FR cars based on his own personal criteria-e.g. handling, price, upgradeability, practicality..(GTR included, because I guess it's RWD most times). Here's a rundown: Supra-90% Soarer (SC400)-85% Toyota MarkII Tourer V-98% 180SX-85% Skyline GTS-80% Skyline GTR-90% Z32-85% Miata-90% RX-7-85% Legacy RS-85% Cappucino-85% Beemer 318is-85% Porsche 911-90% Ferrari F355-95% NSX-R-98% (drumroll..) and the S14 gets-95% On par with the F355, from this guy. Not bad from a professional driver.. He says, of the Siliva: "The perfect car for learning FR" "Easily acquirable, with a wide powerband, it's among the easiest to learn throttle control with (the Silvia)" The minuses come with a slightly weak chassis/bushings and the S14's slightly bigger-than-necessary size. __________________ S14.5 for sale. Must move on with life...=( http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=56822 Au no wa wakare no hajime...

07-12-2003, 02:26 PM	#3
mistert Pearl White Mike Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: memphis TN Posts: 908 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	is keiichi's book available in engrish? i really really wanna read it! __________________ "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" ~ Samuel Johnson

07-12-2003, 06:00 PM	#4
aeontony Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norcal Posts: 303 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It's really a good read..but there is no English translation. I only discovered it at the back of some used Japanese bookstore..I had no idea he actually wrote books. Apparently Red Badge publishes a whole bunch of driving techniques book. Tsuchiya even wrote a secret to drifting book, also published by Red Badge. I also picked up a "Hashiriya Hero ni Naru Hon" (Becoming a Hashiriya Hero). Man..talk about a difference in cultures. __________________ S14.5 for sale. Must move on with life...=( http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=56822 Au no wa wakare no hajime...

07-12-2003, 06:03 PM	#5
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	hehe..i saw a few for sale at the bookstore (japanese one) a while back. i was going to buy them but why, i cant read japanese hahaha..it was a technique book as well. thanks for the info aeontony! i know S14 is 'the' drift car..ive read it/heard it from a few different sources. stiff chassis from the factory..espeicially the MCS14! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

07-12-2003, 10:06 PM	#6
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	S14 the drift car? Really? Aaron, please enlighten me. My kouki doesnt seem all that stiff if at all. A LOT of body roll, man I need sway-bars so bad! __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade Last edited by revat619; 07-12-2003 at 10:08 PM..

07-12-2003, 01:29 PM	#2
Bill Roberts Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: S FL. Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.j-racing.co.uk/drivers/keiichitsuchiya.htm http://www.driftclub.com/DriftKing.htm http://www.sileightymania.com/journal/journal.asp Just more good reads.

07-12-2003, 10:16 PM	#7
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	your missing a big point the chassis is stiff build around that. suspension, sways.etc you got a stiff chassis already.. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

07-12-2003, 10:25 PM	#8
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Oh yeah, duh. Chassis does not equal suspension........i'm such an idiot. Sorry about that man. I think it might be the sleep depravation. I'm comin up on 30 hours and it's starting to take its toll... __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade

07-12-2003, 10:27 PM	#9
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	no worries bro get some sleep get your car on the track next hehe... see you at dd7? u go to hyperfest? i sure as hell wasnt paying 15 bucks to watch!! haha..who won who won? __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

07-13-2003, 03:58 AM	#10
Anubis BANNED Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SAN DIEGO, CA Age: 39 Posts: 990 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what about MR-2? I thought that was one of Tsuchiya's fav. cars.

07-13-2003, 11:49 AM	#11
aeontony Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norcal Posts: 303 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It may be..but it's classified MR (hence the name). __________________ S14.5 for sale. Must move on with life...=( http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=56822 Au no wa wakare no hajime... Last edited by aeontony; 07-13-2003 at 11:51 AM..

07-13-2003, 11:53 AM	#12
aeontony Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norcal Posts: 303 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	But why does he have an NSX in there.. Hm..does anyone know if the Japanese NSX-Rs are actually front engined? __________________ S14.5 for sale. Must move on with life...=( http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=56822 Au no wa wakare no hajime...

07-13-2003, 12:01 PM	#13
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	no they are MR but i've seen keiichi drift 100% stock NSX like it was a s14/s13..etc its insane he loves that car. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

07-13-2003, 01:56 PM	#14
doriftokouki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Backmybitchup..........ville Posts: 244 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	MCS14!!!! YA!!!!!!!!!!

07-13-2003, 02:28 PM	#15
nissan slut Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 171 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey dous what exactly makes the mcs14 better then regular s14? __________________ 0wn3d AND cl0n3d!

07-13-2003, 04:02 PM	#16
pruto Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Age: 43 Posts: 982 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	from what i've been told, the zenki s14 was made with weight saving holes in the chasis body, while the kouki s14 lack these. The difference is, zenki s14s are lighter, kouki s14s have a stiffer chasis.IRC the weight difference was around 100lbs. there is probably other things done to it too but none that i'm aware of. __________________ Paul Black and Red

07-13-2003, 04:11 PM	#17
Ryan of Velocity Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis Age: 46 Posts: 223 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hehe... Haha, my favorite car got a 98% "Toyota MarkII Tourer V-98%" __________________ Works Yamaguchi www.worksyamaguchi.com 8253 Indy Lane Indianapolis, IN 46214 (317) 273-8809

07-14-2003, 03:19 AM	#19
BuryTheNeedle Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 45 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Where is the Hachi in all of that??? Thats one of his fav cars.

07-14-2003, 03:42 AM	#22
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	pretty sure but not 100% sure. reading the list, all thsoe cars stock are pretty impressive in one way or another. nothing really impressive for ae86 comes to mind... __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

07-14-2003, 03:43 AM	#23
BuryTheNeedle Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 45 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Whats a Cappucino then?

07-14-2003, 04:14 AM	#24
boro240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tucson, AZ Age: 40 Posts: 1,324 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Suzuki Cappucino Front-engined, Fwd. Inline-3, dohc, 4v/cyl, turbo. 64 hp, 76 lbft tq 700 kg Top Speed 93 mph 0-60 mph 11.3 sec i dont know why its on the list, its FF. Legacy too, thats AWD. (that and the NSX-R, which is MR, but already mentioned). Last edited by boro240; 07-14-2003 at 04:16 AM..

07-14-2003, 08:41 AM	#25
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Cappis are FR, not FF. Tiny things but they look like insane amounts of fun. SO LIGHT!

07-14-2003, 08:58 AM	#26
Mr.AppLe Join Date: May 2003 Location: ma Posts: 45 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the mr-2 AND Nsx is -MR- The article only states -FR

07-14-2003, 11:22 AM	#27
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	funny thing is every car he listed is only covers the last ten years or so of production. There are some cars from the 70's and 80's that are quite competitive and right up there with the cars he listed. People , this is one professionals opinion. I would not take it as gospel in the least. IMHO __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html