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Fibercus · 10-09-2003, 08:04 PM

Anyone practice WOT shifting with there KA / SR? Myth or is it in fact a strong method for optimum shifting

spindrift187 · 10-09-2003, 08:12 PM

WOT shifting???

nrcooled · 10-09-2003, 08:16 PM

I think he means power shifting and it's not a good idea to do it regularly ::think of the tranny man...the tranny::

If you don't match the revs perfectly it will put unecessary stress on the gears and eventually start eating away at the teeth

240Dave · 10-09-2003, 08:17 PM

By WOT shifing do you mean not letting off the throttle while shifting gears, yet still using the clutch?
I'd think it's just bad for your clutch, no real gains unless your turbo and you want to keep it spooled up. But you should shift fast enough so revs don't drop much anyway.

People come up with the weirdest ****....and give it confusing names.

Fibercus · 10-09-2003, 08:18 PM

Not sure how its done, but basically Wide Open Throttle shifting. - flooring it the entire time?

Wide Open throttle shifting is about as simple as the name gets

nrcooled · 10-09-2003, 08:20 PM

How you do it is keep the car floored and blip the clutch enough to get it out of gear and shove it into the next gear.

Or just yank it out and shove it in
My wife and my tranny both disagree with this method

Vatche · 10-09-2003, 10:08 PM

just get a short shifter, and learn how to shift really fast, wtf do u need to destroy your drivtrain for

Red · 10-09-2003, 10:19 PM

You all need to look into

ZeroShift

That will be the new shifter/tranny for all... Best of the best..

Why settle with the F1's slow 0.06 shift times when you can shift at 0.00 Yes thats right... NO power loss at all.. Flawless shift times.

Ooo la la (as Ed would say)

DudeYourSoOOJDM · 10-10-2003, 12:48 AM

I've read somewhere that powershifting a turbo car is a very good way t bend/break the shaft on your turbo....

You know how much stress that must be?

nokeone · 10-10-2003, 01:11 AM

not worth ANYTHING you "think" you are gaining by it..it's like people manual shifting their Autos...not worth it!..

Fibercus · 10-10-2003, 03:02 AM

B&M rocks! I can chirp all the way into 4th

**Phlip** · 10-10-2003, 08:49 PM

I've found that shifting all the way on power is damn near impossible, I always had to lift off the trottle for a SECOND to get it in gear without the clutch... None of that mattered when I got the ACT and B&M, the shifts were that much better and faster, even with the powershift. Besides, I would think it to be dangerous to the tranny to shift without the clutch as stated before, so I never did it much at all...

twitchy · 10-11-2003, 12:38 AM

i still insist the 240 has a gearbox that doesnt like to be rushed compared to anything else standard Ive ever driven.

chirping your tires doesnt mean anything anyhow...any car can do that. My old Imark would do that, now if you can light the tires up when you let the clutch out in the 2 - 3 shift...well thats impressive

Fibercus · 10-11-2003, 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by twitchy
My old Imark would do that, now if you can light the tires up when you let the clutch out in the 2 - 3 shift...well thats impressive

Very true, but its a blast spinning thru 2nd. Had my KA for about 4 years, anythings fun now

2-3 Doubt I can do it, but the 3 puck helps a wholelot

old_s13 · 10-11-2003, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nokeone
not worth ANYTHING you "think" you are gaining by it..it's like people manual shifting their Autos...not worth it!..

shifting an auto is ONLY useful if you are in the canyons and want to keep control of your RPMs. That is the ONLY benefit of shifting an auto, no power benefits.

- Mike

llcs-13 · 10-11-2003, 09:40 AM

We always called it "speed shifting" and it is an art. Corvettes in 1994 came with a video to show you how to do it properly. With skill, it can shave considerable time off of a quarter mile time. (up to 1/2 second, maybe a shade more).
As far as the tranny goes, it is the CLUTCH that catches the most hell. Proper speedshifting is only very rough on the tranny if you either miss a gear or are not skilled at it. You must be fast, because you are allowing for a very very short time, your engine to be wide open.. in a no load condition. With proper RPM training and unlimited clutch replacement funds, it is the maximum acceleration potential. Of course it opens you up to making mistakes and damaging your entire drive line more rapidly.

HiPSI · 10-11-2003, 09:55 AM

not to mention overrevving badly if you miss a gear

llcs-13 · 10-11-2003, 07:04 PM

Spank the cobra is a great example of speedshifting. He did it and did it right
http://www.tangentrix.com/videos/spank_cobra.avi

thx247 · 10-12-2003, 03:28 AM

without seeing his feet I dont think you can say he did anything one way or the other.

You can still hear the bov, the car lurches when he shifts. That does not indicate anything abnormal.

If you are that hard up for whatever minimal gains there are to be had (if any) from power shifting then I imagine you shouldn't be worried about the costs it may inccur on your damaged tranny or clutch.

Worry more about your 60 foot time

10-09-2003, 08:04 PM	#1
Fibercus BANNED Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Canyon Country, CA Age: 44 Posts: 714 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	WOT Shifting Anyone practice WOT shifting with there KA / SR? Myth or is it in fact a strong method for optimum shifting

10-09-2003, 08:16 PM	#3
nrcooled Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Turn 8 'bout to get rolled by a SC'd ITR Age: 46 Posts: 1,849 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think he means power shifting and it's not a good idea to do it regularly ::think of the tranny man...the tranny:: If you don't match the revs perfectly it will put unecessary stress on the gears and eventually start eating away at the teeth __________________ '91 hatch w/ SR Sold; '03 Evo Sold 401 HP; '03 MS Protege sold; '00 Evo 6.5 TME Sold 300HP

10-09-2003, 08:20 PM	#6
nrcooled Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Turn 8 'bout to get rolled by a SC'd ITR Age: 46 Posts: 1,849 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How you do it is keep the car floored and blip the clutch enough to get it out of gear and shove it into the next gear. Or just yank it out and shove it in My wife and my tranny both disagree with this method __________________ '91 hatch w/ SR Sold; '03 Evo Sold 401 HP; '03 MS Protege sold; '00 Evo 6.5 TME Sold 300HP

10-09-2003, 10:19 PM	#8
Red Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vancouver, WA - Portland, OR Age: 44 Posts: 734 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You all need to look into ZeroShift That will be the new shifter/tranny for all... Best of the best.. Why settle with the F1's slow 0.06 shift times when you can shift at 0.00 Yes thats right... NO power loss at all.. Flawless shift times. Ooo la la (as Ed would say) __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/509537 http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287415487 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=21036

10-10-2003, 12:48 AM	#9
DudeYourSoOOJDM Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palmdale CA Age: 42 Posts: 479 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've read somewhere that powershifting a turbo car is a very good way t bend/break the shaft on your turbo.... You know how much stress that must be? __________________ Since 2001.

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spindrift187 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: norfolk Age: 39 Posts: 110 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	WOT shifting???

10-09-2003, 08:17 PM	#4
240Dave Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: . Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	By WOT shifing do you mean not letting off the throttle while shifting gears, yet still using the clutch? I'd think it's just bad for your clutch, no real gains unless your turbo and you want to keep it spooled up. But you should shift fast enough so revs don't drop much anyway. People come up with the weirdest ****....and give it confusing names.

10-09-2003, 08:18 PM	#5
Fibercus BANNED Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Canyon Country, CA Age: 44 Posts: 714 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Not sure how its done, but basically Wide Open Throttle shifting. - flooring it the entire time? Wide Open throttle shifting is about as simple as the name gets

10-10-2003, 01:11 AM	#10
nokeone on strike three. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, California Age: 46 Posts: 3,282 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	not worth ANYTHING you "think" you are gaining by it..it's like people manual shifting their Autos...not worth it!.. __________________ panda; rockin your socks from the Bay to LA to SD, yay! Pink GodziRa

10-10-2003, 03:02 AM	#11
Fibercus BANNED Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Canyon Country, CA Age: 44 Posts: 714 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	B&M rocks! I can chirp all the way into 4th

10-10-2003, 08:49 PM	#12
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,980 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I've found that shifting all the way on power is damn near impossible, I always had to lift off the trottle for a SECOND to get it in gear without the clutch... None of that mattered when I got the ACT and B&M, the shifts were that much better and faster, even with the powershift. Besides, I would think it to be dangerous to the tranny to shift without the clutch as stated before, so I never did it much at all... __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

10-11-2003, 12:38 AM	#13
twitchy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,579 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i still insist the 240 has a gearbox that doesnt like to be rushed compared to anything else standard Ive ever driven. chirping your tires doesnt mean anything anyhow...any car can do that. My old Imark would do that, now if you can light the tires up when you let the clutch out in the 2 - 3 shift...well thats impressive __________________ Who the hell needs a sig anyhow

10-11-2003, 09:40 AM	#16
llcs-13 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Elberta Al Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	We always called it "speed shifting" and it is an art. Corvettes in 1994 came with a video to show you how to do it properly. With skill, it can shave considerable time off of a quarter mile time. (up to 1/2 second, maybe a shade more). As far as the tranny goes, it is the CLUTCH that catches the most hell. Proper speedshifting is only very rough on the tranny if you either miss a gear or are not skilled at it. You must be fast, because you are allowing for a very very short time, your engine to be wide open.. in a no load condition. With proper RPM training and unlimited clutch replacement funds, it is the maximum acceleration potential. Of course it opens you up to making mistakes and damaging your entire drive line more rapidly.

10-11-2003, 09:55 AM	#17
HiPSI Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buford, GA Posts: 522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	not to mention overrevving badly if you miss a gear __________________ SR motor set/clip $2500+, FMIC kit $700+, Downpipe $100+, 3" exhaust $500+, Misc install parts $100+, Shop labor for install $1000+ and you still only make 220rwhp for $5000 so what's so CHEAP about the SR swap again?

10-11-2003, 07:04 PM	#18
llcs-13 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Elberta Al Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Spank the cobra is a great example of speedshifting. He did it and did it right http://www.tangentrix.com/videos/spank_cobra.avi

10-12-2003, 03:28 AM	#19
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	without seeing his feet I dont think you can say he did anything one way or the other. You can still hear the bov, the car lurches when he shifts. That does not indicate anything abnormal. If you are that hard up for whatever minimal gains there are to be had (if any) from power shifting then I imagine you shouldn't be worried about the costs it may inccur on your damaged tranny or clutch. Worry more about your 60 foot time