Just like an FD3S Mazda RX7

[PshNHrd]

Hey everyone, what is up? I am a big fan of the S13 fastback model and I absolutely love everything about an RX7 FD. I have driven two stock 95 RX7s in my lifetime. I have owned two stock S13 in my lifetime as well. As much as I would love to purchase a 93-95 RX7 I just can't afford it. Even though people like to overprice S13 it is still cheaper than a 93-95 RX7. Now I would love to have another S13 to make it perform close if not better than an FD3S and make it look good like an FD3S.

I would like your opinion on what are the best parts to purchase for an S13 to make it perform like an RX7? Im talking parts from head to toe. Now when all the money has been spent for parts and labor to make it the same tier as an rx7 is it really worth the money or is it just better to buy an rx7?

[lflkajfj12123]

buy the rx7

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by s0apgun

buy the rx7

What Soap said.

By the time you've reached Rx-7 Level performance and appearance, you'll probably have spent enough to buy the Rx-7.

[Toi]

What do you mean, when your talking head to toe the only difference there will be are

A. Quality of parts used
B. Amount of horsepower
C. THE DRIVER

If a car has had a complete work over its not going to be on the same level it will be light years ahead of a stock car, and if its mod for mod they will still be pretty much even except for point C made above....

[camaro379ss]

Originally Posted by thefro526

What Soap said.

By the time you've reached Rx-7 Level performance and appearance, you'll probably have spent enough to buy the Rx-7.

The FD is hella fun to drive but rotarys are very unreliable. My rx7 broke down twice as much as either sr I have had so far. Even with fresh apex seals you need to replace them again becuase they eat them up like a fat kid with candy. After I had a brand new rotary from mazda which was then street ported with only 10k the apex seals were leaking again.

If you can tough it through that then that fun to drive factor is just over the top let alone the rarity (at least in my area). If I had the money to keep another rx7 afloat I would in a heartbeat.

Originally Posted by Toi

If a car has had a complete work over its not going to be on the same level it will be light years ahead of a stock car, and if its mod for mod they will still be pretty much even except for point C made above....

Yes but the problem is once you get to the heavier modified stage it then again becomes just as unreliable as an rx7. And for someone who sounds on a budget the amount to put in to equal an fd would near near the cost of getting one as previously stated. Granted at that amount the 240 would have more power, but still...

[EhrikETFG]

i dont even..

[Toi]

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

Yes but the problem is once you get to the heavier modified stage it then again becomes just as unreliable as an rx7. And for someone who sounds on a budget the amount to put in to equal an fd would near near the cost of getting one as previously stated. Granted at that amount the 240 would have more power, but still...

Yea this is true, I just failed to truely understand his question. I mean what a set of decent coilovers will make it handle better, then comes the power mods...and with the current drift tax the prices can get pretty bad!!!

[camaro379ss]

lol. yea but lets say he buys a sr swapped 240 for around $5k. A god coilover setup around the $1k mark, decent tires $800 maybe, plus any other suspension arms....$600 maybe. A built head and t28 for more power $2k plus something to run it $700 or so (just throwing some prices out not exact). Already thats around the $10k mark which is right about the range to start picking up fd's. I know in my area they range from $10k-$20k depending on mods. There was a street ported fd in chicago for sale for under $10k with 80k on it if I remember correctly.

[PshNHrd]

Originally Posted by Toi

What do you mean, when your talking head to toe the only difference there will be are

A. Quality of parts used
B. Amount of horsepower
C. THE DRIVER

If a car has had a complete work over its not going to be on the same level it will be light years ahead of a stock car, and if its mod for mod they will still be pretty much even except for point C made above....

What I meant by that was parts such as suspension, brakes, rebuilt sr20det or ka24det, a kit to make the car look just as sexy as an rx7, around 255 hp etc.

[camaro379ss]

yes and you also have to remember a stock fd only has that 250-270hp range stock as well. But then the next thing is whats the point of having a stock fd...when there are things like triple rotors and they make fun cars to slide around in.

[Toi]

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

yes and you also have to remember a stock fd only has that 250-270hp range stock as well. But then the next thing is whats the point of having a stock fd...when there are things like triple rotors and they make fun cars to slide around in.

Man don't bring up Triples, my wifes Uncle in Namioka DDs a bone stock Cosmo 20b.......

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

The FD is hella fun to drive but rotarys are very unreliable. My rx7 broke down twice as much as either sr I have had so far. Even with fresh apex seals you need to replace them again becuase they eat them up like a fat kid with candy. After I had a brand new rotary from mazda which was then street ported with only 10k the apex seals were leaking again.

Apex seals were leaking huh? What were they leaking If you don't mind me asking? And wow If your brand new engine was fucked up at only 10k miles then you just dont know how to take care of them. My blown ass oil seal 13b has been running on blown oil seals for like 5 months now and I beat on It daily, It still goes to the track, still sees 9k rpm every day. and Its my daily driver! car has 190k miles. Just a little smoke when cold, once its warm Its fine.

[Toi]

I have seen em in bone stock fashion run fine....Once modded (like everything) thats a different story

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Originally Posted by Toi

I have seen em in bone stock fashion run fine....Once modded (like everything) thats a different story

One of my other turbo2 boosting 15psi,3 inch dp,exhaust,fmic,. with 100k+ miles ran forever. ran till the point I sold it, Ran fine! never over heat,didnt burn more oil than Its suppose to. Took out any sr It encountered,. They will run right as long as you take care of them!

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Most people arent gonna be telling your correct Information from exp, they are telling you things from stuff they heard. I've owned 5 rx7s already and not one single one has ever givin any kind of over heating or any of that. I blew 1 turbo engine because of my own fucked up wiring with the tps and maf. My rx7s have taken everything I've ever thrown at them and I throw HARD!

[camaro379ss]

[QUOTE=rb25_s13*CHUKI;4049240]

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

The FD is hella fun to drive but rotarys are very unreliable. My rx7 broke down twice as much as either sr I have had so far. Even with fresh apex seals you need to replace them again becuase they eat them up like a fat kid with candy. After I had a brand new rotary from mazda which was then street ported with only 10k the apex seals were leaking again.

Apex seals were leaking huh? What were they leaking If you don't mind me asking? And wow If your brand new engine was fucked up at only 10k miles then you just dont know how to take care of them. My blown ass oil seal 13b has been running on blown oil seals for like 5 months now and I beat on It daily, It still goes to the track, still sees 9k rpm every day. and Its my daily driver! car has 190k miles. Just a little smoke when cold, once its warm Its fine.

My fun cars I dont drive much to keep mileage down and when they sit and only get used once week at most it tends to happen. Mind you I left out that in those 10k miles it was out of warranty because how rarely I used it.

Daily driving is a different story. Yes they can last a while if not abused. My best friend is a rotary nut loves 13b's but he struggles to keep them going. Some of the rx7 club events I have been to I have heard things like you said where they drive on them and beat on them and still last. I have not had that experience with rotary engines nor has my buddy. When its all said and done its just a crap shoot of what you get.

And to the statement I dont know how to take care of them....Mind your own business you dont know me. I am an ase certified mechanic with almost master certs but now in the army so I am gone for long periods of time.

And if YOU know anything about cars then you would know that cars that sit for periods of time develop leaks ALWAYS.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

What were your Apex seals leaking though? Im Interested

[camaro379ss]

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

Most people arent gonna be telling your correct Information from exp, they are telling you things from stuff they heard. I've owned 5 rx7s already and not one single one has ever givin any kind of over heating or any of that. I blew 1 turbo engine because of my own fucked up wiring with the tps and maf. My rx7s have taken everything I've ever thrown at them and I throw HARD!

None of this is things I have heard so if you are gonna assume things about me then I will just assume you are ignorant. I never said dont get one in fact I said to get one. They are extremely fun cars no balls in low end all high rpm power.

[Toi]

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

Most people arent gonna be telling your correct Information from exp, they are telling you things from stuff they heard. I've owned 5 rx7s already and not one single one has ever givin any kind of over heating or any of that. I blew 1 turbo engine because of my own fucked up wiring with the tps and maf. My rx7s have taken everything I've ever thrown at them and I throw HARD!

Don't think I am bagging on rotaries man but your a gear head you know every damn motor on the planet has its issues.

And I promise you for every 1 person that knows how to maintain, care for, and properly upkeep them, there are thousands that don't.

And the thousands voice happen to be stronger than 1.....Hell I have a buddy right now with a full bridge port beast sitting in his garage rotting because he totaled his FD....Motor ran like a champ but FD body < Guard rail....

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

None of this is things I have heard so if you are gonna assume things about me then I will just assume you are ignorant. I never said dont get one in fact I said to get one. They are extremely fun cars no balls in low end all high rpm power.

But what were your Apex seals leaking?

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Originally Posted by Toi

Don't think I am bagging on rotaries man but your a gear head you know every damn motor on the planet has its issues.

And I promise you for every 1 person that knows how to maintain, care for, and properly upkeep them, there are thousands that don't.

And the thousands voice happen to be stronger than 1.....Hell I have a buddy right now with a full bridge port beast sitting in his garage rotting because he totaled his FD....Motor ran like a champ but FD body < Guard rail....

thats not cool gaurd rails arent fun! I hit a gaurd rail and came out pretty good just the front fender and rear quater panel. still drove it home! ahaha. Yea I've met alot of people who didnt know how to take care of their cars

[wh0aitznic0]

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

lol. yea but lets say he buys a sr swapped 240 for around $5k. A god coilover setup around the $1k mark, decent tires $800 maybe, plus any other suspension arms....$600 maybe. A built head and t28 for more power $2k plus something to run it $700 or so (just throwing some prices out not exact). Already thats around the $10k mark which is right about the range to start picking up fd's. I know in my area they range from $10k-$20k depending on mods. There was a street ported fd in chicago for sale for under $10k with 80k on it if I remember correctly.

Lol at "god" coilover setup for $1k.

[Toi]

Originally Posted by wh0aitznic0

Lol at "god" coilover setup for $1k.

Sorry but yea it is funny if there is a "god" coilover and it is GOD on the track for that price count me in!!!

[camaro379ss]

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

But what were your Apex seals leaking?

Apex seal went bad causing bad compression "A leak" from detonation. Bad compression=insufficient sealing to hold compression. It was broken.


EDIT: I know I suck at typing nothing new to me.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

Apex seal went bad causing bad compression "A leak" from detonation.

Somebody took a long time to google that!

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

Apex seal went bad causing bad compression "A leak" from detonation. Bad compression=insufficient sealing to hold compression. It was broken.

Yes I know what an Apex seal does and how they work, Clearly you didnt and had to google It.

[camaro379ss]

ok buddy whatever you say. Just listen to this guy^^^clearly he is god.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

You have never owned a fd In your life, stop lying to your self

[camaro379ss]

Originally Posted by Toi

Sorry but yea it is funny if there is a "god" coilover and it is GOD on the track for that price count me in!!!

Ok have fun with whatever you choose. Believe what you want. If you think I am lying theres nothing I can do to change that. I am here just to help. If you want a pic of my ase card that I can give you. 2 more certs passed and a recert with a new card on the way. Otherwise just experiences take it or leave it. Drive around on blown oil seal and you are telling me I dont know how to take care of cars....ok sure. I would expect nothing less.





Try and google that.....bet you wont find it.

I never said I owned an fd learn to read better and stop assuming. I have owned 2 fc's with 13b's one as a track car. I have just had the chance to drive my firends fd and see his struggles with it. I never once said I owned a single fd I jsut never specified. Mine is general knowledge of fc's and fd's.

Like I said before good luck with your choice.

[titangts]

buy a swapped s13, good coils, and amazing tires, redo all the suspension. then alignment.

or... do what i did