s14 is a lot stiffer than s13?

[RobsNismO]

someone said that he saw a video, where this professional drifter said that the s14 was stiffer, and had better response, than an s13 with roll cage, and sway bars. so it leads me to think that the s14 is that much more stiffer, is this true?

[Dousan_PG]

driving s13 and s14 and drifting
s14 is MUCH stiffer (stock for stock too)

but better, taking people's advice and 1st hand expirience, it is same.


if had to build a car all over, i'd probably go kouki s14

[old_s13]

i think if you are going to compare the s13 and s14 chassis, you need to compare the s13 coupe with the s14.. thats a bit more fair.

as the owner of an s13 and also having an s14 in the family, i think the s14 feels different. the chassis does feel a bit more reinforced, but at the same time i also feel a bit more weight when driving that car.

the s13 really has a light tossable feel to it.

[crioten]

part of the reason i love my s13 so much is because of that lovely tossable lightweigt feel, for some reason, driving the s14, it feels like a ton of bricks compared to the s13

-glen

[nokeone]

agreed...the s14's i have attempted to drift in felt like boats compared to my coupe..then again given modification discrepancies it's an unfair comparison but it really did feel like i was driving a larger, bulkier car..

but i have heard the same thing...S14 are considered by most pros to be the better drift car...s13 supposedly understeers a lot more easily..s14 more predictable..

[sykikchimp]

I would definately have to disagree that the s14 STOCK would be stiffer than an s13 with a proper roll cage.

[nokeone]

which years of the S14 had the holes drilled in the frame and chasis?..i can't imagine that helps for regidity..lol..

[RobsNismO]

man this is a little disappointing... now im thinkin about getting a s14 instead, my original choice was the s13 since you can get them cheaper.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by RobsNismO
man this is a little disappointing... now im thinkin about getting a s14 instead, my original choice was the s13 since you can get them cheaper.

get what you like more

and FIX YOUR SIG

(O=O/sil15-80\OO) <--beautiful.

should be

(O=O/sil15-80\O=O) <--beautiful.


you forgot the right side =


or just
1580

because s15 is silvia (understood) so no need to say sil15
just 1580

[RobsNismO]

oh yea thanks lol

[sykikchimp]

Dude, drive them. Then make your choice. There is nothing about the s13 chassis that can't be fixed with the appropriate hardware.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by sykikchimp
Dude, drive them. Then make your choice. There is nothing about the s13 chassis that can't be fixed with the appropriate hardware.

yes that's 100% true. the ONLY disadvantage is you'll need to play 'catch up' a bit to get to the s14 type of stiffness

but all in all, 90% of the people out there dont care and it doesnt matter. get what you like more. style, handling and weight wise..choose your favorite and get it.

[RobsNismO]

right now im thinkin of getting the s14, with the mean eyes, but what is it that can specifically be done to the s13 to be about as good? do you know what part you need to get? i dont want roll bars in my car. i know about those strut bars, rear struts, and the ones that are below the car, but what else is there that will significantly stiffen the car?

[ZOLTAN]

Having had a s13 coupe and now a s14, I can without a doubt say that the s14 is considerably stiffer; stock for stock.
Now, to me the weight difference between the two was quite obvious.
The s14 feels heavier.
But, in my opinion the added weight is a good trade-off for more rigidity.

Ask yourself this question.
How much money do you want to put into it?
If I were building a "drift" car, I would go s13.
Why? If I smash it it's cheaper and easier to get a new one to swap everything into.

.Eddie.

[RBS14]

Yea, S14's feel stiffer than S13 coupes but it's not that big of a deal to most people. It is to me, that's why i put a roll bar in my S14 which made it even better. Weld-in baby! I really should finish it some day.

However S13's are still good chassis. I kind of got the feeling from a few people in this thread that S13 chassis weren't worthy because S14 chassis are stiffer. That doesn't really matter. A ferrari has a stiffer chassis than a S14 but if you wanted the S14 it doesn't make sense to get the ferrari because its stiffer. See what i'm saying? Anyways get what want, if you have a soft spot for S13's in your heart, get one and deal with the chassis stiffening products when you get around to it.

[RobsNismO]

yea well at this point, F*** the 1580, im gettin a s14 mean eye, i can afford it anyways.

[nokeone]

Originally posted by RBS14
Yea, S14's feel stiffer than S13 coupes but it's not that big of a deal to most people. It is to me, that's why i put a roll bar in my S14 which made it even better. Weld-in baby! I really should finish it some day.

yes you do!!!..and paint it...hmmm..what color?..florescent green..lol..

but yeah..we have sooooo much work to do on the cars..as soon as the rain passes we really need to get busy...we need new Kaaz Oil...the do oil changes on cars and diffs...tighten up suspension..i need an alignment..new tires..get your frame shit..arrgghhh...sooooo much stuff...no money and no time...

[tsunami0ne]

Originally posted by nokeone
yes you do!!!..and paint it...hmmm..what color?..florescent green..lol..

but yeah..we have sooooo much work to do on the cars..as soon as the rain passes we really need to get busy...we need new Kaaz Oil...the do oil changes on cars and diffs...tighten up suspension..i need an alignment..new tires..get your frame shit..arrgghhh...sooooo much stuff...no money and no time...

you need kaaz oil? I have kaaz oil lying around ($44)

[nokeone]

Originally posted by tsunami0ne
you need kaaz oil? I have kaaz oil lying around ($44)

haha..thanks..but i get it wholesale direct from Kaaz...MUCH cheaper then $44.00..perks of the whole owning an import shop thing..

[s14xman]

Originally posted by RobsNismO
someone said that he saw a video, where this professional drifter said that the s14 was stiffer, and had better response, than an s13 with roll cage, and sway bars. so it leads me to think that the s14 is that much more stiffer, is this true?

They stated this fact in the Drift Bible. If you havnt seen it yet i highly recomend buying it. The only thing they said was that the s13 had to much understeer.

[the240sxer95]

myself i think i am going to be getting a fastback, i USED to have a s14 zenki which was a great car and a very fun car! but i like the idea of the fastback being lighter, cheaper and more tosible

[tsunami0ne]

Originally posted by nokeone
haha..thanks..but i get it wholesale direct from Kaaz...MUCH cheaper then $44.00..perks of the whole owning an import shop thing..

drat. I used to get it for $33.50 too

[holisticbeatz]

Originally posted by s14xman
They stated this fact in the Drift Bible. If you havnt seen it yet i highly recomend buying it. The only thing they said was that the s13 had to much understeer.

Don't forget, the S14 Tsuchiiya was driving in the Drift Bible was fully hooked up on suspension goodies.

[the240sxer95]

the price difference on the s13 and s14 is pretty big to (usually) and with the money saved you could put that money into stiffness right?

[thx247]

just going on the demographic evidence I've seen at meets and whatnot

how many of you guys would even know what a stiffer chassis feels like? If I swapped bushings in my s13 do you think you'd be able to feel it and tell me that there were different bushings in the car? Just like if I added a strut tower brace to the front and rear- do you think you'd be able to say without knowing its there that I had one?

Unless floor boards are falling off the car ala FnF style I don't think many people here would be able to comment very accurately on the chassis stiffness.

So lets assume I am correct for a second and what are we left with? A more expensive heavier car. Imo, get the cheap S13 if you have to have a 240 to drift or whatever. Its not like the car is losing value anymore anyway. Drive it, see how you like it. Appreciate the savings you have and then worry about something so vauge as chassis stiffness.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by thx247
just going on the demographic evidence I've seen at meets and whatnot

how many of you guys would even know what a stiffer chassis feels like? If I swapped bushings in my s13 do you think you'd be able to feel it and tell me that there were different bushings in the car? Just like if I added a strut tower brace to the front and rear- do you think you'd be able to say without knowing its there that I had one?

Unless floor boards are falling off the car ala FnF style I don't think many people here would be able to comment very accurately on the chassis stiffness.

So lets assume I am correct for a second and what are we left with? A more expensive heavier car. Imo, get the cheap S13 if you have to have a 240 to drift or whatever. Its not like the car is losing value anymore anyway. Drive it, see how you like it. Appreciate the savings you have and then worry about something so vauge as chassis stiffness.

yeah i can

i drove both cars. STOCK AND STOCK. very very different.

also tried both at the track. very different type of cars.

and comparing BUSHINGS and chassis is night and day. your talking the WHOLE CAR verses a couple bushings? hahahaha..get real. if you blind fold me and put me in either car, i cou ltell you which is s14 and which is s13 without a problem.

strut tower braces? at the track. GOD YES. have you removed it and tried with or without one? i have. i even did it DURING the day to see how it feels? did you try that yet?

have you ACTUALLY driven a s14 or just talking out of your ass?

stop reading books and start trying things first hand, mr.-stomp-on-the-gas-to-stop-understeer.

[ZOLTAN]

Auto-x one each and then talk shit.
No contest, the s14 is stiffer.
Even street driving makes it very clear.

"vague as chassis stiffness"
If chassis stiffness was unimportant, manufactures wouldn't spend millions of dollars developing cars. Simple fact is it's extremely important.
Also, why do you think constructors spend so much time strengthening a chassis when they are building race cars.
Hell, the stronger a car is in the first place, the stronger it's going to be if you strengthen it further.

"demographic evidence I've seen at meets and whatnot"
I won't even comment on this.


.Eddie.

[RobsNismO]

yea, and that is why im getting an s14 for now, cause its stiffer, but ill still drive both to make sure. i ve driven both, but they were modified, and i didnt really get to drive it much, or even near to its ability.

[RBS14]

Originally posted by dousan36
yeah i can

i drove both cars. STOCK AND STOCK. very very different.

also tried both at the track. very different type of cars.

and comparing BUSHINGS and chassis is night and day. your talking the WHOLE CAR verses a couple bushings? hahahaha..get real. if you blind fold me and put me in either car, i cou ltell you which is s14 and which is s13 without a problem.

strut tower braces? at the track. GOD YES. have you removed it and tried with or without one? i have. i even did it DURING the day to see how it feels? did you try that yet?

have you ACTUALLY driven a s14 or just talking out of your ass?

stop reading books and start trying things first hand, mr.-stomp-on-the-gas-to-stop-understeer.

Ouch!!!

Another one bites the dust. Damn Dousan, i'm gonna have to start swinging from your nuts too if you keep "owning" people like this. Hahaha

Wait so you're telling me if i'm understeering because i don't have enough weight on the front tires, getting on the gas and taking even more weight off the front tires won't get me pointed in the right direction?

Nevermind, lets not get into that one.

[doriftokouki]

A friend and I got into a discussion one day about this, we both own Kouki S14's and have driven S13's before, I noticed a difference right away, I would much rather drift an s13 then a s14 so let me get that out of the way. He mentioned to me that the s13 was the more drift friendly car, even though Nissan competed in certain classes with the s13 for grip the s13 was also very drift friendly and it wasnt made for a certain "purpose" it was just a well balanced car in most aspects. The s14 on the other hand is when Nissan was focused on a competitive car to place in gt300 class for jgtc, the s14 was just designed to be well balanced for grip driving and to stay competitive, thats why you notice a difference in each chassis, zenki s14's have the holes drilled and kouki s14's do not, if you want a good comparison, drive a stock S13 and then a stock kouki S14, that is when you will notice the difference. From what I understand people started to complain about the handling of the s14's compared to the s13's, the s14's were not as drift freindly, so then we see the s15, a God like s chassis car, very stiff, excellent handling, very nimble and very drift friendly, pretty much best of both s13 and s14 cars combined, but then Nissan decided not to bring an s15 240sx here to the states maybe we dont deserve it? Anyways, flame away, im waiting