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[r.P]S13|IDEAL · 01-11-2004, 07:40 PM

Hey everybody, I was just wondering, but what is a good aftermarket beginner suspension?

Flybert · 01-11-2004, 07:53 PM

Do a search next time.

If you can, go for a coilover setup. Let us know how much you want to spend. If can't afford coilovers, go for a nice spring/shock combo, AGX or Konis/RSR race springs.

aznpoopy · 01-11-2004, 08:36 PM

hmm first go read about suspension components. as i learned like every other noob there's alot more to suspension then just springs and shocks (which is what i assume you're really asking about). for instance just getting better grip tires will make a world of difference... anyway spring shock i would go kyb agx and eibachs (or some similar $200) springs... beginner set up for $600-ish. that's about as cheap as you can go without hitting e-bay.

[r.P]S13|IDEAL · 01-11-2004, 08:45 PM

My brother got the Eibach springs for his 95 240 and it's a really nice ride.

stillmatic · 01-11-2004, 08:52 PM

Stick with your stock ones. Learn to drive with it before you upgrade. Get some sticky performance tires and stiffen up your car with front and rear strut bars. If you still feel the need for an upgrade, then get the ever so popular KYB AGX/Eibach Sportline combo. They'll run you about $520 plus shipping on eBay. I was going to go with the AGX/Sportline route myself, but instead I got in on the D2 full coilovers group buy on Nico. They only cost a few dollars more than the AGX/Sportline setup.

[r.P]S13|IDEAL · 01-11-2004, 08:59 PM

So, say if I kept my stock suspension for a while and learned to do well with that, would you still not recommend upgrading the suspension up to say JIC FLT-A2's?

stillmatic · 01-11-2004, 09:09 PM

What you do with your car is up to you. As long as you don't cheap out on the suspension then it should be all good. If you can afford it then go ahead and get the JIC coilovers. I personally prefer full coilovers over lowering springs and strut/shock setup. I thought you were looking for beginner's suspension though?

[r.P]S13|IDEAL · 01-11-2004, 09:17 PM

I am, but im still pondering about whether I should upgrade to full on racing suspension.

sxse240 · 01-12-2004, 07:36 AM

Here's what I did, and I'm pretty happy with it. It isn't much of a drop, so try different springs if you want to drop it more like 2 inches. It's nice being able to cut lanes at 110 with no overshoot, and the bars help tremendously with that, so don't leave out a set of anti-roll bars.

Replicant_S14 · 01-12-2004, 08:45 AM

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still pondering about whether I should upgrade to full on racing suspension.

"full on racing suspension"? What is that exactly?

I've got a lot of track experience and regularly podium in Solo2 and I'm pretty sure I couldn't make intelligent use of a "full racing" setup. Collecting expensive, exotic parts is fine if that's your deal but you can make an otherwise decent car drive like ass if you jump in head first.

Also, you haven't given us enough info to give advice on setups. What kind of condition is the car in? What kind of diff? Tires? It makes a difference.

Just take your time. Read. Search. Ask questions. (in that order)

Maeda · 01-12-2004, 06:55 PM

Be sure to tell us how those D2 coilovers are... they look tasty.

*DSC* · 01-12-2004, 07:55 PM

"nice being able to cut lanes at 110 with no overshoot"
*shakes head*

I think a nice beginner setup is stock with GOOD all around (not all season!) performance tires. Fresh or aftermarket bushings all around will do wonders to help you feel the road and take out the slop of your suspension components. As you want to deviate from that, sway bars are a great first mod. Getting better steering feedback is VERY helpful for learning so you could go for some aftermarket tie rods and tc rods. Then springs/shocks or coilovers. After that I dono, but I'd say going for other aftermarket arms to fine tune your suspension geometry would be a good next step. there are bunches of random "chassis strengthening" parts that people claim help them go faster but I wouldn't bother with them until you get your suspension working hard enough to flex your chassis to a noticable amount. though some could say you want chassis bracing FIRST so you don't get your car bent and weakened. *shrugs* I don't think anybody on here really knows the effects of all that stuff beyond the fact that flex changes suspension geometry and therefore is bad.

Really to help you we need your goals and price range.

Var · 01-12-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by [r.P]S13|IDEAL
Hey everybody, I was just wondering, but what is a good aftermarket beginner suspension?

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Originally posted by [r.P]S13|IDEAL
am, but im still pondering about whether I should upgrade to full on racing suspension

You're being so vague it's ridiculous. And it makes me believe that you dont know much about suspension tuning. So let me give you my 2 cents. If you can afford it, buy a whiteline suspension kit. They aren't necessarily the best components you can buy but they are quality. Rather than spending a grip on just coilovers, just rig the whole car and stiffen it up so it will respond like it's supposed to. By the time you learn how to drive the thing at the limit you will go through at least one set of shocks, so save the good stuff for later on and spend the money on all the tires you will burn through. When you've got about a year of racing/fast driving whatever you wanna call it under you belt, then you will automatically know more about the options you have and you'll make the right decisions.

zero.counter · 01-12-2004, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by westboroughpimp
You're being so vague it's ridiculous. And it makes me believe that you dont know much about suspension tuning. So let me give you my 2 cents. If you can afford it, buy a whiteline suspension kit. They aren't necessarily the best components you can buy but they are quality. Rather than spending a grip on just coilovers, just rig the whole car and stiffen it up so it will respond like it's supposed to. By the time you learn how to drive the thing at the limit you will go through at least one set of shocks, so save the good stuff for later on and spend the money on all the tires you will burn through. When you've got about a year of racing/fast driving whatever you wanna call it under you belt, then you will automatically know more about the options you have and you'll make the right decisions.

Amen brutha! What does this guy want? It reminds me of Howard Dean and his uncertain nature...

*AceInHole* · 01-13-2004, 10:08 AM

well... aside from the driver aspect of things....

a decent setup of springs and shocks might actually come out as pricey as some lower end coilover setups. JIC FLT-A1 US coilovers came out (recently i guess? i miss out on these things) and retail for $1100. CIP motorsports has them for $892. I actually double checked the price with Jeff.... cause it seemed so wrong of a price to have perch and lower mount adjustability, 5 position adjustable dampening, and front camber plates....

Var · 01-13-2004, 07:00 PM

1000 bucks sounds cool for all that. I bet it's good enough for track use too.

[r.P]S13|IDEAL · 01-13-2004, 07:53 PM

sorry about being so vague, you are right, I don't know much about suspension yet. That's why I was asking you guys to see if you guys had any experience with previous "beginner" setups so I could get some ideas from you guys. Thanks for the feedback guys I'll take up some your advice and do more research then before asking questions.

dekand · 01-13-2004, 09:33 PM

i have the AGX/Eibach prokit setup, personally i would recommend that... sportlines are lower and my car is already low enough, for me at least.

anti-sway bars and aftermarket bushings is my next step after the rb25 is in...

really it depends on what you want to do with the car, my car will be a daily driven occasional dragstrip/auto-x car and i didn't feel as though coilovers were a must...

just my 2 cents

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[r.P]S13\|IDEAL Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Good beginner suspension? Hey everybody, I was just wondering, but what is a good aftermarket beginner suspension?

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[r.P]S13\|IDEAL Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I am, but im still pondering about whether I should upgrade to full on racing suspension. __________________

01-12-2004, 06:55 PM	#11
Maeda Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Camp Snake Bite, CA RIP Posts: 2,356 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Maeda Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Be sure to tell us how those D2 coilovers are... they look tasty. __________________

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AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 44 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well... aside from the driver aspect of things.... a decent setup of springs and shocks might actually come out as pricey as some lower end coilover setups. JIC FLT-A1 US coilovers came out (recently i guess? i miss out on these things) and retail for $1100. CIP motorsports has them for $892. I actually double checked the price with Jeff.... cause it seemed so wrong of a price to have perch and lower mount adjustability, 5 position adjustable dampening, and front camber plates.... __________________

01-13-2004, 07:00 PM	#16
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	1000 bucks sounds cool for all that. I bet it's good enough for track use too. __________________ Hi

01-11-2004, 07:53 PM	#2
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Do a search next time. If you can, go for a coilover setup. Let us know how much you want to spend. If can't afford coilovers, go for a nice spring/shock combo, AGX or Konis/RSR race springs.

01-11-2004, 08:36 PM	#3
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	hmm first go read about suspension components. as i learned like every other noob there's alot more to suspension then just springs and shocks (which is what i assume you're really asking about). for instance just getting better grip tires will make a world of difference... anyway spring shock i would go kyb agx and eibachs (or some similar $200) springs... beginner set up for $600-ish. that's about as cheap as you can go without hitting e-bay.

01-11-2004, 08:45 PM	#4
[r.P]S13\|IDEAL Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My brother got the Eibach springs for his 95 240 and it's a really nice ride.

01-11-2004, 08:52 PM	#5
stillmatic Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 421 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Stick with your stock ones. Learn to drive with it before you upgrade. Get some sticky performance tires and stiffen up your car with front and rear strut bars. If you still feel the need for an upgrade, then get the ever so popular KYB AGX/Eibach Sportline combo. They'll run you about $520 plus shipping on eBay. I was going to go with the AGX/Sportline route myself, but instead I got in on the D2 full coilovers group buy on Nico. They only cost a few dollars more than the AGX/Sportline setup.

01-11-2004, 08:59 PM	#6
[r.P]S13\|IDEAL Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So, say if I kept my stock suspension for a while and learned to do well with that, would you still not recommend upgrading the suspension up to say JIC FLT-A2's?

01-11-2004, 09:09 PM	#7
stillmatic Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 421 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What you do with your car is up to you. As long as you don't cheap out on the suspension then it should be all good. If you can afford it then go ahead and get the JIC coilovers. I personally prefer full coilovers over lowering springs and strut/shock setup. I thought you were looking for beginner's suspension though?

01-12-2004, 07:36 AM	#9
sxse240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NM Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Here's what I did, and I'm pretty happy with it. It isn't much of a drop, so try different springs if you want to drop it more like 2 inches. It's nice being able to cut lanes at 110 with no overshoot, and the bars help tremendously with that, so don't leave out a set of anti-roll bars.

01-12-2004, 07:55 PM	#12
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"nice being able to cut lanes at 110 with no overshoot" shakes head I think a nice beginner setup is stock with GOOD all around (not all season!) performance tires. Fresh or aftermarket bushings all around will do wonders to help you feel the road and take out the slop of your suspension components. As you want to deviate from that, sway bars are a great first mod. Getting better steering feedback is VERY helpful for learning so you could go for some aftermarket tie rods and tc rods. Then springs/shocks or coilovers. After that I dono, but I'd say going for other aftermarket arms to fine tune your suspension geometry would be a good next step. there are bunches of random "chassis strengthening" parts that people claim help them go faster but I wouldn't bother with them until you get your suspension working hard enough to flex your chassis to a noticable amount. though some could say you want chassis bracing FIRST so you don't get your car bent and weakened. shrugs I don't think anybody on here really knows the effects of all that stuff beyond the fact that flex changes suspension geometry and therefore is bad. Really to help you we need your goals and price range.

01-13-2004, 07:53 PM	#17
[r.P]S13\|IDEAL Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sorry about being so vague, you are right, I don't know much about suspension yet. That's why I was asking you guys to see if you guys had any experience with previous "beginner" setups so I could get some ideas from you guys. Thanks for the feedback guys I'll take up some your advice and do more research then before asking questions. __________________

01-13-2004, 09:33 PM	#18
dekand Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Flower Mound, TX Age: 39 Posts: 52 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have the AGX/Eibach prokit setup, personally i would recommend that... sportlines are lower and my car is already low enough, for me at least. anti-sway bars and aftermarket bushings is my next step after the rb25 is in... really it depends on what you want to do with the car, my car will be a daily driven occasional dragstrip/auto-x car and i didn't feel as though coilovers were a must... just my 2 cents __________________ No Signatures over 400x200!!