Super hicas removal??????

[DRIFTO16]

ok
so i bought my 91 240sx hatchback se
a while back but thing is i got it automatic and
with hicas
i took care of the automatic problem but still have the hicas and well
many people say if i plan to drift get that hicas out!
so my question is whats the easiest way to go about
canceling the super hicas?
ive heard remove full subframe
ive heard get the hicas delete bar but heard they r very expensive
give me your suggestions on most effect and easiest way to go about this
and help will help me out on this one thnx =]
i have a vlsd if that changes anything

[Hashiriya415]

You can get a sub-frame at most junk yards for around $50. So that will be the cheapest

[DRIFTO16]

so i can just get a non hicas rear subframe and then
can i remove my vlsd from my hicas and put it on my non hicas subframe?
what kinda work would go into this?

[Hashiriya415]

the difference in the 2 subframes will be the hicas. Diffs mounting remain the same. The diff does not steer the rear end.
Work? Just press the swap sub-frame button and it's automated.
Jk, Unbolt your struts from bottom
unbolt brake calipers and hang with wire (DO NOT HANG BY BRAKE LINE).
unbolt driveshaft
unbolt catback exhaust
use 2 of the same types of jacks and place under subframe or lca.
loosen 4 main subframe bolts, remove front subframe brackets
lower subframe down
cross parts you want to keep from old subframe to newer subframe
reverse order

[DRIFTO16]

oh hahah would be cool if there was such button lol
thnx alot it was a good description
ima have to get this done asap
now im on a hunt for a rear subframe!
im guessing u had super hicas?

[DRIFTO16]

sorry but one more question
assuming i want to use basicly every part thats on my hicas rear subframe
that can be changed to the non hicas one
what would be the only things i willl absolutly need from a non hicas rear subframe?
thnx sorry for soo much questions

[180wanabe1]

Toe rods. since that is what you are using in place of the hicas rack

[Hashiriya415]

actually it will be easier to weld in a plate.
This pic shows a plate bolted on, but welding would be better

[niscur29]

I just finished up my complete hicas removal...heres what I did...

Kept the Hicas Subframe
Got the Kazama Hicas Eliminator using the Hicas Tie Rods and Ends
Energy Suspension Full Bushing Kit

I pressed out the ball joint on the rear knuckles.
Installed the ES bushing in its place.
Drilled the HICAS rod ends to match the bushings
Used a bolt/lock nut and two large washers to bolt the rod ends to the knuckles. Two large diameter washers are key. If you only use one/small diameter on the rod end side tightening the lock nut on the knuckle side compresses the bushing into the knuckles and causes everything to be misaligned.

The Hicas rods and ends are essentially adjustable toe arms. The outer part can never wear down/out and the inner portion is replaceable if they are shot. GOOD aftermarket toe arms are not cheap and by utilizing the HICAS arms and an eliminator you get the same adjustment without the cost.

[DRIFTO16]

oh i see that was very helpfull thnx so basicly

just buy some es bushings?
how much did u get the bushings for?
and how did it work i mean is it completely gone
or is there still a little sketchyness?
just want to make sure this is a complete sucess to cancelling the super hicas problem

[Chrischeezer]

Originally Posted by DRIFTO16

ive heard get the hicas delete bar but heard they r very expensive

i have done this on both of my cars.

HICAS bar is really not expencive at all. but you'll need to change your PS pump.
and you'll get to removed all the lines and HICAS BS, weight savings is substantial.
pretty easy project. IMO,
If you have upgraded suspension coilovers and all.. HICAS delete is a MUST! you'll receive a great improvement in handling

[DRIFTO16]

siiiick
yeah i threw some coils on it so yeah gotta get rid of this hicas
what kinda hicas cancel bar do u have and how much was it?
u got a link or something and r they trustworthy any problems thnx guys for all your suggestions its helping me get the ball rolling on this hicas removal

[DRIFTO16]

lol
let me just edit this out lol

[Chrischeezer]

^wow... this is going to be more difficult after that statement.

[Chrischeezer]

i would suggest buying a repair manual, Factory service manual, hayne's manual... anything at this point... lol

[Hashiriya415]

You never even seen a sub-frame? How do you even know what you have then?
Chrischeezer why out of all the colors at auto parts store you got the same as me?LOL
This is what a sub-frame looks like without hicas.

[DRIFTO16]

Lol ahh shit
=]

[niscur29]

Originally Posted by DRIFTO16

oh i see that was very helpfull thnx so basicly

just buy some es bushings?
how much did u get the bushings for?
and how did it work i mean is it completely gone
or is there still a little sketchyness?
just want to make sure this is a complete sucess to cancelling the super hicas problem

1. I bought the whole kit for the car, but you can buy just the rear arm kit. Google it or contact some vendors here.
2. YES its completely gone, the PS pump is plugged, all the hard lines, junction boxes, etc are off the car.
3. No "sketchyness" if you understand how the rear suspension works and how the tie rod ends work just like toe arms then you will see its the same.
4. This is complete success and then some. The hicas eliminator bar completely disengages the hicas part of the rear suspension. To fully "eliminate everything" you need to remove all of the now useless shit not used after you put in the bar.

Whatever you do please remove all of the lines and associated BS. That shit just looks half assed with the rack gone but all the tubing still in place. Plus once you remove the hardlines down the length of the car you have some extra mounting points to tuck/mount a battery cable to the rear.

[DRIFTO16]

nice =]
so u got rid of your abs and ps?
and replaced it with non hicas ps and non abs or can i still keep it?

[FaLKoN240]

OK so it's very apparent you're in over your head.

I swapped from a HICAS subframe to a non HICAS subframe about 3 months ago.

I paid a shop to do mine over the course of 2 days because I didn't have the mindset or desire to put in that much wrench time.

Things you'll NEED:

1. Non-HICAS subframe
2. Non-HICAS rear knuckles
3. Non-HICAS toe arms (I got BV, I would highly recommend BV or SPL)
4. Non-HICAS steering pump
5. Automatic transmission fluid
6. A LOT of down time.

[MattRose]

I have hicas in my R33 and all I had to do to swap it out was use an S14 subframe and toe arms since you technically don't have toe arms with a hicas subframe. Heres all you need to do:
- Buy non hicas s13 subframe
- Grab basic socket set
- Undo the 4 bolts holding subframe to your car
- Disconnect rear brake cables as you need to in order to lower subframe
- Move allllll parts over to other s13 subframe, including keeping the toe arms you got with it
- Bolt back up and reconnect brake cables.
- Go drift and get bitches

*Hicas on my R33 is electric, but if its hydraulic on yours just loop the power steering at the front or like the other guy said, get a non hicas power steering pump

[niscur29]

Originally Posted by DRIFTO16

nice =]
so u got rid of your abs and ps?
and replaced it with non hicas ps and non abs or can i still keep it?

I would really recommend searching for some threads on hicas removal. You do not have to get rid of ABS at all. You can keep the PS pump and "modify" it to work. Keep the front steering rack as its better then the non hicas rack. You can install the eliminator bar in an hour or so and modify the pump in about the same time. Once those two are done rear hicas is gone. Then you can take your time removing all the bullshit.

But like others have been recommending man you really need to google it and check out several of the guides etc out there. Get an FSM and READ and understand how the system works and what needs to be removed and what doesnt. Everyone was a NOOB once but no one here is going to hold your hand and walk you through step by step, tool by tool, etc. But if you use whats listed already and search for the rest you should be able to see that its not to hard at all.

First thing is to jack that bitch up and stare at it.

[niscur29]

Originally Posted by MattRose

.....since you technically don't have toe arms with a hicas subframe....

HICAS cars do have toe arms in the rear via the tie rods. They function exactly like the toe arm on the non-hicas subframe except you can adjust toe in the rear in the exact same manner you adjust it in the front. Once you install an eliminator bar the inner/outer tie rods become an adjustable toe arm that function exactly like any aftermarket toe arm.

[DRIFTO16]

Yeah i never understood the hicas on this car
cuz i had a coupe that never had it
but all these exaples are good help ima just buy the non hicas rear subframe and swap the parts
thnx guys
=]

[BoostMunchies]

Question. If I were to delete the hicas on a z32 tt would I align the rear to n/a or tt specs? I know this is kinda of a dumb question, but I don't have the cash to just get coils and slam it, so I will probably buy some toe arms and delete hicas, and I would prefer to get the rear as straight as possible. Just unsure of what specs to align to. Any help appreciated.

Thanks

[newkid99]

Why not just leave the rear hicas ps line off of the ps pump? I have no power steering in my super hicas hatch right now because someone put in a ka24e, so power steering lines won't work. But the rear stays locked in place so you wouldn't even have to worry about it. Wouldn't this be the easiest way to delete the super hicas?

[kennedy8383]

I have the hicas on my 240sx and I'm going to get a non hicas subframe and is there anything else i need to get.. I want to delete the whole hicas under the car, and I'm going to do it..

[jschrauwen]

Originally Posted by kennedy8383

I have the hicas on my 240sx and I'm going to get a non hicas subframe and is there anything else i need to get.. I want to delete the whole hicas under the car, and I'm going to do it..

It may be easier and cheaper to go this route - HICAS Delete Kit, 300ZX, Z32, GTR, Skyline, Silvia, R32, R33, et - Mississauga / Peel Region Other Parts, Accessories For Sale - Kijiji Mississauga / Peel Region Canada.
Found it surfing Kijiji.

[newkid99]

Looks like it won't work for the s13 hatch so I don't think it would work for me.