White Smoke from SR20det

[Matman03]

So the car started shooting white smoke anytime I hit boost. Engine temp rises and car kinda hesitates a bit. My thoughts were Head Gasket or Turbo Seal. I have a Cometic 1.5mm headgasket and ARP headstuds, does not make sense that would go out at only 18psi. But the engine temp rising is worrying me. I am sure you guys know what is going on so I leave it in your hands. Suggestions? Thanks in Advance!

[fliprayzin240sx]

Do you have an actual water temp gauge? Stock needle gauge is utter crap.

[s13 drifta]

I had a Cometic head gasket with ARP headstuds on my last sr20det and it had a slight head gasket leak. The Cometic gaskets don't seal very well around the bore and pressurizes the coolant system. Some people have good luck, others don't. I changed over to an OEM gasket and it never gave me any problems after that.

[fliprayzin240sx]

^^^I'd probably double check the torque on the head studs and see if they're still within spec.

[Matman03]

Yes I have an aftermarket temp gauge, normal engine load it is sitting at 220°f. Usually it sits at 180°f. Running a Koyo radiator. To the other comments, if it really the head gasket, what would you suggest. Also I guess while I am in there I should do pistons? Suggestions on that as well. Also, if it is just coolant leaking right now, about how long do I have until it has to be fixed? Thanks Guys

[fliprayzin240sx]

220 is too hot. Anything over 215 and I'd be worried. Check the torque on the ARP studs, might have loosen some if you've never checked them before after you initially put them on. You're supposed to check them atleast once after you've run the engine.

If it is the HG, honestly, fresh stock HG is good. I've seen folks push 600 hp on stock HG before they start blowing them. And reason they blew wasnt due to shitty HG, but the head started lifting.

[Matman03]

fliprazin - you the man, good information to know, I guess it is time to get some replacement parts and take the car apart again! Is there a sure way to tell if it is a HG or not? I looked for oil in the coolant and coolant in the oil. That i did not see but I guess the leak could be internally where water can leak in the combustion chamber?

[fliprayzin240sx]

Honestly, if I was in your shoes, this is what I would do:
- Compression check just to make see how healthy the bottom end is, should be about 140-150 psi, more is better.
- If the compression is low, drop a cap full of oil in each cylinder, if the compression jumps, rings might be going bad. If it doesnt go up, then HG might be your issue.
- I would then re torque the ARP head studs and then check the compression again. If the compression doesnt get better, then I'll start tearing down the head.

I'd get the head decked, stock Nissan HG, cooper spray the HG just for good measure and torque down with the ARP studs.

[s13 drifta]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Honestly, if I was in your shoes, this is what I would do:
- Compression check just to make see how healthy the bottom end is, should be about 140-150 psi, more is better.
- If the compression is low, drop a cap full of oil in each cylinder, if the compression jumps, rings might be going bad. If it doesnt go up, then HG might be your issue.
- I would then re torque the ARP head studs and then check the compression again. If the compression doesnt get better, then I'll start tearing down the head.

I'd get the head decked, stock Nissan HG, cooper spray the HG just for good measure and torque down with the ARP studs.

Everything was good advice besides the copper spray. Do not use it, it doesn't need it.

[Rut Ro]

Agreed with the procedure above. Make sure to gently scrape the top of the block with a razor blade edge held at a 45 degree angle to ensure all of the headgasket residue if off. I would also recheck the ARP studs aswell once its been driven approx 100 miles or so with a couple heat cycles of the engine. Glad I saw this thread. I was about to buy a Cometic HG. Copper spray isnt needed either. Good luck with the build.

[s13 drifta]

If you want to do a metal head gasket, I recommend getting Apexi or Cosworth.

[Matman03]

How much torque on the head studs?

This has been a great help, I read a ton on the forum but hardly ever speak up. I appreciate all of your knowledge and help.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by Matman03

How much torque on the head studs?

This has been a great help, I read a ton on the forum but hardly ever speak up. I appreciate all of your knowledge and help.

Depends on how old your fasteners are. ARP changed their installation procedures again. On the ones I'm using on my RB25, hand tight the studs in, use the lube they supply on the studs/bolts, step torqued down to 80 ft/lbs. Instructions for the older ones were different.

[KendallH]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Honestly, if I was in your shoes, this is what I would do:
- Compression check just to make see how healthy the bottom end is, should be about 140-150 psi, more is better.
- If the compression is low, drop a cap full of oil in each cylinder, if the compression jumps, rings might be going bad. If it doesnt go up, then HG might be your issue.
- I would then re torque the ARP head studs and then check the compression again. If the compression doesnt get better, then I'll start tearing down the head.

I'd get the head decked, stock Nissan HG, cooper spray the HG just for good measure and torque down with the ARP studs.

You can also buy a test kit to check for fuel/combustion vapors in your coolant

[s13 drifta]

Originally Posted by KendallH

You can also buy a test kit to check for fuel/combustion vapors in your coolant

Yeah, I have seen those, they aren't that great. A leak down test will tell you everything. Thats what I would recommend.

[240zach]

an apexi hg isnt really thaaat much. just be sure to torque it down right. not just to ft lbs spec. but there is a certain order that you have to do it in as well. you have to torgue to a certain spec in a certain order, then back all them out, then torque down again, then usually you have to do it a 3rd time to full spec. and if your not going to do any block work just get an oem spec apexi hg. if you have block work done you may have to get a bigger mm hg. just my .02

[Matman03]

I would need a retune if I went with that oem thickness HG would i not? I have a 1.5mm right now

[Matman03]

So when choosing a hg there are smaller mm like 87mm x 1.5mm what do i need? I want to go with the same thickness that I have.

[di-devol]

Originally Posted by Matman03

I would need a retune if I went with that oem thickness HG would i not? I have a 1.5mm right now

Meh, I wouldnt worry about it. I ran a 1.5 then switched to a 1.1 because it was available.

Cosworth ftw.

[240zach]

not really. if your running a 1.5 and put on a 1.1 it would increase the compression a tid bit but nothing substantial

[zneubauer]

Originally Posted by s13 drifta

Everything was good advice besides the copper spray. Do not use it, it doesn't need it.

I found its more of a precaution, like you said it doesn't need it but it doesn't hurt it at all, its that last little bit of security.

[Matman03]

I ordered the Apexi HG because of the HG thread. Everyone says they are the best. They are on sale right now on FSport so that was kinda good timing. Thanks everyone, I will let you know when the car is back up and running!

[240zach]

Originally Posted by Matman03

I ordered the Apexi HG

nice. apex is the shit

[overpaid4myfc]

you can get a cheap block tester from napa ezpz

[conrad_s13.5]

i would have figured it was the seals on the turbo going out....other wise it would smoke all the time.........right?