ghosttown (pripyat'), ukraine

[Kreator]

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/

[russian]

its a cool fucking website. the stuff she says about Chernobil are 100% true.

over the last years nature florished there, some species that dissapered long time ago cause of human expantion, reappeared. its filled with rare animals- fauna and flora. only thing, they all have high Stroncium and other radioative elements within their blood/structure, so no eating. other than that its reletavily safe, but very spooky.
you can actually can take a 3-5 day tour with guides special hotel, suites and etc. its prety cool stuff, always reminded me of Fallout.

never being in Ukraine, but southern parts of Belorussia got affected after dissaster.

[MugenHonda]

SHIET........that is messed up. I remember when that happened faintly believe it or not. I was in Moscow at the time.

[Shin_Kudo]

Woah, I've gotta go there. Imagine, you could drift the city streets and not ever worry about traffic, cops, or anything.

[DRFT]

but if you crash your screwed

[old_s13]

Woah, I've gotta go there. Imagine, you could drift the city streets and not ever worry about traffic, cops, or anything.

other than your LIFE...

man that is some very very interesting but vividly scary footage.. im seriously shocked. that woman has balls to go through there and take all those images.

- mike

[S14Speed997]

That freaked me out....you can see the end of the world, and civilization, in just that area.....Its like going to our own funeral if nuclear fallout happened around the whole world...

also makes me think of that movie, 28 Days Later, and Terminator 2 lol

[cali240sxdrifter]

[QUOTE=russian]its prety cool stuff, always reminded me of Fallout.QUOTE]


LOL! after looking through that, it so got me into Fallout and Fallout 2 game. Damn i feel like playing it right now. Its pretty scary that if we would have kept on going with Nuclear Plants in the States would could get whipe out good. Thank god for 3mile island. But hey, if it ever happens i'll be the first to make the Brotherhood of steel

[Ghettokracker71]

wow thats some fugging spooky shit!

[Var]

just a reminder of how much i hate nuclear technology. It's only a matter of time

[sykikchimp]

crazy spooky shiet.. It's such a far cry from our everyday lives.. yet so close at the same time.

[AKADriver]

Well, take your pick: A remote chance of a sudden nuclear plant failure, causing a one-time catastrophic ecological disaster, or, fossil fuel energy production causing certain, but gradual, ecological disaster.

Chernobyl is better seen as a failure of communism, not of nuclear energy. The plant was improperly designed, and extremely poorly maintained and operated. The typical communist engineering philosophy of building things cheap and simple for the benefit of the proletariat workers does not work for something this complicated. A nuclear reactor can't be built like a Kalashnikov or a Trabant, but they tried, and it melted down.

Most of the civilian casualties were a result of the surrounding population not even being told about the disaster and evacuated for days.

I'm not saying there aren't serious risks and drawbacks of nuclear energy. Disposing of waste is the biggest one - not only do you have to keep it from contaminating the surrounding area, but you have to keep it secure since many nuclear plant wastes can be reconstituted into nuclear weapons. I'm just saying a nuclear disaster on the scale of Chernobyl won't happen in the US, and traditional energy sources are just as harmful. Wind, water, and sunlight are the way to go - but it'll be a while before those technologies can supply energy for the entire world.

[cali240sxdrifter]

what happen at 3mile island? I don't know the whole story behind it, but wasn't it preventable with a more careful eye? thats the thing about us, once we made something dangours and after a good few years of having it we let our gruad down and thats were the accidents happen. I don't know i think we're still not ready for such things right now with all this terriostism, but still shit can happen and shit won't happen. Ohwell, we are all going to die anyways.

[crioten]

our nuclear plants today are more safer than chernobyl was...even back in the day our plants were still better...

everything AKADriver said is true...its just sad that that many people had to die due to something so stupid...

[old_s13]

The typical communist engineering philosophy of building things cheap and simple for the benefit of the proletariat workers does not work for something this complicated. A nuclear reactor can't be built like a Kalashnikov or a Trabant, but they tried, and it melted down.

dont be fucking stupid -- look at Rocky IV, the russians are hardcore man...

AND they have all the work-out high-tech gadgetry.. they are fucking crazy. Americans have always been idiots compared to russians, europeans, and ESPECIALLY japanese.

[nocomedown]

Originally Posted by old_s13

Americans have always been idiots compared to russians, europeans, and ESPECIALLY japanese.

which is why they all come here to go to school.

[russian]

Originally Posted by crioten

our nuclear plants today are more safer than chernobyl was...even back in the day our plants were still better...

everything AKADriver said is true...its just sad that that many people had to die due to something so stupid...

you obviiously have no idea about the technology, culture and traditions of my country. Im not shocked, its very common, after all you know no better.

[Kreator]

edit: this post made no sense to me at 9am in the morning after i posted it 6 hours b4 that after a 17hour workday.

And so just that people dont argue, i'm going to remove my post. In a sense akadriver is right, ppl did die because they were uninformed. But it wasn't the government's fault. Officials that been sent down to the spot to check the conditions reported that everything was ok because they were too scared to report otherwise. But hey i still love my country, no matter how fucked up it is. And communism wasn't all that bad. The propoganda u've been fed bout communism is the same we were fed about capitalism. Go figure.

[Shin_Kudo]

Originally Posted by old_s13

Woah, I've gotta go there. Imagine, you could drift the city streets and not ever worry about traffic, cops, or anything.

other than your LIFE...

man that is some very very interesting but vividly scary footage.. im seriously shocked. that woman has balls to go through there and take all those images.

- mike

Yeah, but it's really not much more dangerous than a track. Defenitely less dangerous than barrelling down the street at 180MPH on a little crotch rocket. Obviously, the radiation isn't too bad, if there are tours operating in the city.

Plus, it was just talking about something that would be cool. It's not like I have any intention of actually going there. It's just like wanting to go drifting the mountain passes in Japan.

[Burmonster]

Being a Biologist and having studying in ecology, I can say from an environmental stand point that nuclear energy is much safer than the fossil fuel burning plants found around the world. While accidents do occur, they are far and few between. Fossil fuel are killing the environment period, just slower then what the unfortunate incidents like Chernobil. Nuclear energy is demonized becuase of accidents like Chernobil and 3 Mile Island but it is still our best bet for a clean energy source. Hell, the waste water from the the cooling pools in a nuclear power plant emits less Alpha-partical emissions then a cup of coffee per volume. Think about that the next time the sip back on your mountain grown brew.

While using air, solar and hydro powered plants is the perfered option, they are also an expensive and non-efficient option. And since the big wigs up in D.C dont like spending more money then they have too, they keep pushing fossil fuel plants. Keeps the people from worrying about "a nuclear meltdown" and keeps the people from complaining about raising taxes for development of a clearer energy source. Hell, so what if we are killing the enviornment by using plants that put out 115,000 tons of sulphor and carbon monoxide per year. We still got a few years before it can effects us. Until an efficient plant using natural sources is developed, the best answer is still nuclear power. Period

[Burmonster]

Originally Posted by Kreator

anyways, as for the technology, just so u didn't think your country is so superior, every russian nuclear missle carries about 200 warheads, that will seperate and set themselves on different targets during flight. American missles only cary one. too bad. US can play policeman of the world, but always know, there is someone u HAVE to listen to before u make some decisions.

The reason for the Russian missles carrying 200 warheads is that the Russian weapon's development team were never able to develop a advanced targeting program for the ICBMs. The massive warhead payload was there to insure that at least one of the war head would hit the intended target. If not, then the whole area would be destroyed and the statistical possiblity of the target being destroyed would be increased. Think the US and the British carpet bombing of Germany during WWII as compared to laser guided missles used in conflicts today. Russian philosophy in every conflict (or preperation for conflict) as been quanity over quality. Just the way it is.

[DRFT]

that doll is scary as hell

[Kreator]

Counter on the main page reads at 750000.... 2 days ago when i read it, it was at 450000.....

[Chernobyl]

Wow, fascinating page. I grew up 200km north of there, in contaminated Belarus, haha.

[russian]

Originally Posted by Burmonster

The reason for the Russian missles carrying 200 warheads is that the Russian weapon's development team were never able to develop a advanced targeting program for the ICBMs. The massive warhead payload was there to insure that at least one of the war head would hit the intended target. If not, then the whole area would be destroyed and the statistical possiblity of the target being destroyed would be increased. Think the US and the British carpet bombing of Germany during WWII as compared to laser guided missles used in conflicts today. Russian philosophy in every conflict (or preperation for conflict) as been quanity over quality. Just the way it is.

let me correct this since my whole family on my dads side develops those things.

the new topol-mt class rocket, mobile icbm is even scarier than SS-18 ans SS-22. they call them "satan". and for a damn good reason.

they just tested the new missle couple weeks ago, my dad told me some stuff about it, it will void any defence system it moved at hyperspeed. you cant shoot it down.

SS-18 carrier 15 nuclear warheads. not 200. they seperate in atmosphere to cover a very large territory. very accurate. while the naval based ss-21 and "Sevna" class rockets are decayin , the land force is still developing.
guidence programs? im sorry you dont read enough. maybe you still think US was first in space? lol.

and quantity over quality? hmm i dont know, but our arms are very reliable. hands down. we own a lot of market out there.

[crioten]

Originally Posted by russian

you obviiously have no idea about the technology, culture and traditions of my country. Im not shocked, its very common, after all you know no better.

so what do you know about our countries "technology, culture and traditions" of the US of A? are you a russian rocket scientist? are you and american rocket scientist?

so what the hell did i say that had to do with anything about your traditions?

and dont tell me that an ass load of people dying is not stupid. who are you to say that i know no better? im sorry that i like to make my own informed decisions about what ive read in different books and websites dedicated to the disaster of chernobyl...unlike what russia used to be like and they censored a ton of stuff from the public unless you were in the need to know, and now tell me, who was more informed (and by this, i mean who had access to knowledge that the government didnt block) at the same time in both of our histories, the american public or the russian people?

and if you would like to say that russian nuclear plants were more developed and had better technology, show me some proof...from what ive read about the differences, i still think that i am correct in saying that when this disaster occured, we had better nuclear tech...

also, what does russias modern rockets have to do with anything about chernobyl? after all russians and americans are still friends that are probaly sharing all their information about weapons...

[russian]

i was just correcting him as far as rockets goes. and as far as "know no better" is justified with poor educational system in US, lack of education that is.

[S14Speed997]

If you have anything bad to say about the US, get the f*ck out of my country...seriously...

[Var]

there is plenty bad to say about the US. and it's not your country you ignorant american. "American" haha. that's laughable. there's no such thing.

[crioten]

Originally Posted by russian

i was just correcting him as far as rockets goes. and as far as "know no better" is justified with poor educational system in US, lack of education that is.

at least i can spell obviously with my american education...

dont diss on the educational system of this country, yes it may be weak in certain areas (look at east LA) but for every bad school there is an amazing one to go with it, its just that the media like to start shit and get attention so they state that the US's schools suck...just like everything else the media says...

but you cant tell me that russias school system is any better, the rest of the worlds school systems suck as well, but dont make a dumb argument as to weather or not whos schools are better