MiLITARY DRAFT?

[Var]

Will it happen? The radio says they are starting to send people from the friggin coast guard over to Iraq. Does this mean there is a shortage of troops in our army? What do you guys think?

[Ricer240sx]

i dont know but i dont think my Draft card made it to them cause the address was all messed up on it and i thin ki got it back and forgot to send it out again................................cant remember though

so i gues im safe

[airsoft]

nah, no draft, public would go even more crazy than vietnam era... so many people oppose this that the pres and stuff wouldn't touch that sensative area near election...

now if it were say.. WW2 and the pearl harbor.. and all the public support we had, then yeah draft would be more likely.

thats my opinion :P

[brokenben]

word. not gonna happen.

[AutoDestruct]

Anyone ever hear of a 4F certification, or something like that? I know I qualify. 302, involountary admission to a mental institution. Cheers!

No way they would bring back the draft. But I do know that the Military is low on COMBAT ready troops and Moral, Ha. The M-16 doesn't even have the right oil for it over there. The infantry is buying it on the civilian market. I heard the tank crews are using Krinkov's and folding Kalashnikov's. F'ing military has got it's head up its a*s no matter which way you look at it. 1/3 the troops don't even have the ceramic armor yet. What's that mr. Pres. there is no such thing as the military industrial machine. BAH. War is hell. and we create it. Eventually it will come for us all. We made saddam and we made Osama. Now we reap the "rewards".

Sorry, "my emotions betray me" Peace, a far away and fading dream.

[oojpeeoo]

there is no way im fightin for this country.........

[Burmonster]

Originally Posted by oojpeeoo

there is no way im fightin for this country.........

Thanks asshole. Thank your lucky stars that we live today and not even 60 years ago other wise you would have been called out on that little comment.

If I get drafted, I get drafted. I would see it as an honor. Would I join on my own with the way things are right now...no. But if thing got as bad as it did back in WWII, my ass would have signed up in a heart beat.

However, what still gets me is how the idea of a military draft doesnt violate the Constitution as it is as type of indentured servitude. Its never even been brought before the Supreme Court. Oh well, I really dont think you have to worry about the draft anyway but if I does come up, you better be thinking about the people who do get drafted and are off in some hell hole fighting for your libraties oojpeeoo and you sure as hell better be thankful.

[pruto]

i dunno, it could be worse. think my friend said in Iran there is a mandatory service of at least 2 years for all males.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by oojpeeoo

there is no way im fightin for this country.........

That's okay. That's what us Men are for.

[hookedup240]

Originally Posted by Ricer240sx

i dont know but i dont think my Draft card made it to them cause the address was all messed up on it and i thin ki got it back and forgot to send it out again................................cant remember though

so i gues im safe

um...you better get it sent out....you can face jail time for this. As soon as you turn 18 you have to have that card sent in.

[mistaanime]

i doubt there is gonna be a draft..too many in the reserve..

[GotDriftS14]

hey, George Bush Jr. is in the texas air national guard reserve, maybe they will send him out to the front lines for some action! that would be good.

[nocomedown]

theres not going to be a draft. we have plenty of troops.
we have it easy. most countries have required service

[Flybert]

Originally Posted by oojpeeoo

there is no way im fightin for this country.........

It's just really sad to hear people say stuff like this. I can't even comment.

[240trainee]

Originally Posted by oojpeeoo

there is no way im fightin for this country.........

The go to Cuba, or china, or North Korea. Is the Freedom this country offers worth anything to you? Is it? It very well should be. If it is my duty to fight for my country, I will do it. That is a price to live in a society that is free. If you don't like it, go somewhere else

[Dousan_PG]

i would fight if needs be but of course, rather not
for those who dont believe in fighting for this country, then that's pretty sad. many pepole have died for our freedom and you dont have the balls or ability to do the same for the sake of your offspring, friends, families and future. pathetic coward

quite a few of my family friends, my personal friends, and people i know here and there are military and i highly respect that.

the military isnt for everyone (obviously) but for those who are in it/veteran or out, i respect them very much. they were willing to fight for MY freedom and the freedom of all those who stand under the flag.

yeah you might not like everything about this country, but for people who have emigrated here or have been in other countires and see what it is like, then you'll really start to appreciate how fantastic this USA is.

my family is form Cuba, Puerto Rico and mexico.
talking with relatives who moved to the USA....they never regret a moment and LOVE this country.

[240trainee]

I second that dousan. I'm not exactly a military person; anyone I know will tell you that. I heard this story in Gov class of a cuban man who worked as a teacher. A student once had a project on what freedom meant. She knew that this quiet teacher had come from Cuba. So she asked him, how did you get to this country? He answered, "I swam" Now, remember, Cuba is like 90 miles off the coast of Florida. The student was incredulous, and asked if he swam all the way. The man said no. the coast gaurd picked him up 15 miles out of Florida. Think about it. A man swam 65 miles for what this country offered. Give that somethought.

[Phlip]

My personal opinion is that the sheer number of reservists will see to it that the draft will never be a necessity... My brother was in Goldsboro, NC a couple weeks ago and there are still PLENTY of non-reserves was still pretty high (CA18, aren't you still on this side of the water) and I was in Fayetteville, NC last month and there was still plenty of life around Fort Bragg and Pope AFB, so I think the number of REGULAR inlisted people in addition to the number of reserves will more than handle the bullshit over there... I do, however, take happiness that they will NOT be drafting my black ass in the unlikely event the draft comes back around. See, back in 97 when I was finishing high school, I actually applied for the army, but was declined because I'd had asthma when I was younger, even though I'd since outgrown it. We applied for an exception from the surgeon genral, who also shot me down. Fast forward 6 1/2 years now, after finding a better understanding of politics and looking at the shit going down, I am glad I WAS declined, because I so don't agree with the current war effort...

[kcolyer27]

hopefully they dont have a draft, i just turned 18 and signed up for all that stuff

[Ghettokracker71]

I don't think I could;If you have ever had a hernia the marine corp/army/coast guard/army won't take you,and I've had one.I've also had major back surgery (fusion of the L4 to S1 with pedicral srews) and che-re1 malformation of the neck. I would proble be one of the people in the U.S. making bullets or sumthin????

[ca18guy]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

(CA18, aren't you still on this side of the water)

I was supposed to be in Afghanistan at the beginiing of the month. The day before I was supposed to leave I got a call that said my slot was cancelled So I'm stranded here with no car just going to work as normal


As for a draft, its been a stupid rumor for 3 years now, give it a a rest people :ghey:

[crioten]

Originally Posted by oojpeeoo

there is no way im fightin for this country.........

you are probably one of those assholes that were like "kill all the arabs!!!" right after 9-11....

go up to any ww2 vet or vietnam vet...see if you could stand a chance fighting against a raging 85 year old man, who fought that war just so you could make that jackoff statement....

if you wont fight for this country, then what the hell are you doing here? you dont like what we do? then leave

[jsr20det]

Originally Posted by oojpeeoo

there is no way im fightin for this country.........

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

That's okay. That's what us Men are for.

hahahhahaa. Got his ass

[link240]

although this draft isnt likely to happen i was told that if you're the only son in your family you wont get drafted, is this true?

[ca18guy]

Originally Posted by link240

although this draft isnt likely to happen i was told that if you're the only son in your family you wont get drafted, is this true?

Nope.

http://www.snopes.com/military/onlyson.htm

-You are not exempt from military service simply because you are an only child or an only son. You are exempt only if one of your siblings or parents (mothers are now included as well) has died as a result of military service.

-You do not have to be a sole remaining son to meet this requirement - the exemption applies to all remaining sons from qualified families.

-This exemption is not in effect during wartime.

[DuffMan]

Haha, screw that, I dont want to fight for this stupid country.


J/K

Though seriously, if it was an important war like WWII I would have no problem. But this war is just stupid IMHO. We started it, we pissed off our own allies, and now we're stuck with the crappy result.

[AutoDestruct]

Yeah I'm going to defend the "Freedom" of this country? what the H*ll are you talking about? How does Iraq have anything to do with my freedom? O that's right it's my freedom for cheap gas. Bah!! That's retarded. I will not kill anyone, or contribute to any such thing, in the name of the advancement of some private military industrial buisness. Halliburton is who you are fighting for. I am not some "spit on the soldiers when they come home" hippie or some crazed anti-american. I just feel that the men and women in the military are being abused by a regime that mascarades behind democracy and furthers the destruction of the world in the name of peace. The bush white house are a bunch of sicko's, whether it is deliberate or just done in accident I do not know. It almost does not matter. Death is Death.

And Osama? he's a freaking mujhadeen for gods sake. Its all are own mess. this is what war creates. Iraq is far from afghanistan though, a totally different reason and rhyme to why we are there in that place of madness. 911 is different than because "
he was a very bad guy." Osama should have been gone 10 years ago.

I reject the idea that I am not patriotic, and I reject the claim that we are defending "our freedom". Look past the lies, and see history and its true causes and effects. War is Evil.

[crioten]

its based upon the principle of things...and yes war is evil...in a sense we are still protecting our freedom, we are trying to set a precedent that says "you fuck us and we'll fuck you 10 times harder"

i for one am tired of all this petty lame ass terrorism and its time that someone did something about it, and that would be us...

or would you like to say that you would prefer that another 9/11 happened or that we didnt do a damn thing about what happened that day?

[AutoDestruct]

did you read my post? Iraq and Afghan-A-Nam are two different places that do not have anything in common except the military is fighting in both. 911 should never happen again, and Osama needs to be taken out. But Saddam has nothing to do with this, he was a moron who could barely control his own country. Osama is a mastermind, a terrorist genius. But if we go after every country who is controlled by a crazy evil madman then we are in for a long haul fight with most of the third world. The best estimate says that we need to be in Iraq for at least the next 10 years. I am not interested in having to control 1/5 of the worlds governments for the next 10 to 20 years. I personally do not think this would ever work. Even the whole "Axis of Evil" thing is crazy, the conflicts caused by that would annhilate the entire world.

But really at this point it doesn't matter because we are in Iraq so now we have to finish up are buisness, and with the amount of foriegn fighters that have been drawn into the area it is a fight against terrorism now. We cannot pull out "with honor" like vietnam and look like a bunch of pussies. We need no repeats of Somilia. And now they are burning peoples bodies and draggin them through the streets so I would agree in the fact that its time to "kick some ass".

I just don't see how saddam "f*cked me". I don't know, it just seems like we got tricked into a war that's about something else entirely and now its turning out just like Vietnam. It plain sucks, through and through. And I don't want any part of it, even though that descision is not really up to me anymore. I know I can't be drafted because of the 302, and I don't even think it would come to that, but taxes,voting, and such have already happened.

I feel like I have been used.

[Burmonster]

Originally Posted by AutoDestruct

Yeah I'm going to defend the "Freedom" of this country? what the H*ll are you talking about? How does Iraq have anything to do with my freedom? O that's right it's my freedom for cheap gas. Bah!! That's retarded. I will not kill anyone, or contribute to any such thing, in the name of the advancement of some private military industrial buisness. Halliburton is who you are fighting for. I am not some "spit on the soldiers when they come home" hippie or some crazed anti-american. I just feel that the men and women in the military are being abused by a regime that mascarades behind democracy and furthers the destruction of the world in the name of peace. The bush white house are a bunch of sicko's, whether it is deliberate or just done in accident I do not know. It almost does not matter. Death is Death.

And Osama? he's a freaking mujhadeen for gods sake. Its all are own mess. this is what war creates. Iraq is far from afghanistan though, a totally different reason and rhyme to why we are there in that place of madness. 911 is different than because "
he was a very bad guy." Osama should have been gone 10 years ago.

I reject the idea that I am not patriotic, and I reject the claim that we are defending "our freedom". Look past the lies, and see history and its true causes and effects. War is Evil.

AutoDestruct, talk to someone who lived in Europe before and during WWII. Ask them what it would have been like if countries had gotten off there pansy asses and stopped Hitler when they had a chance and just not let him do as he pleased. Ask my grandmother whose saw her best friend shot by the German SS outside of her home because her father was an Italian partisan. Ask the brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters of the peope who died in that war what it would be like if countries had come together to stop the German war machine before it even started, before the hundred of thousands of Americans lost there lives to try to retake ground that should have never been lost. Why let people like Saddam do as he please when we have the mean of stopping another, possibly worse conflict in the future? Saddam was a tyrant plain and simple and a dangerous tyrant at that. The world is a better place with out him. You may sit here and whine that "This war is for oil and not to protect peace" but think about what it would be like 20,30, or even 40 years from now if we let things go and Saddam became the next Hitler and your sons (or daughters) have to fight in a war of necessity rather avoidence. Would you want to get that letter that says your boy isnt coming home and knowing if we had stepped up all those years before, things would have been a little different.

Your right, look past the lies, and see history and its true causes and effects. Learn for the mistakes of the past and learn from them, we are all fools if we dont. And we would all be fools if we let Saddam remain in power for a second longer then we did because of the leasons learned in the past.

Sleep on that one for a little while and tell me what we are doing is wrong.