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Var · 08-20-2004, 11:23 AM

I was just having another brainfart yesterday thinking about this hypothetical.

Back when the fox-body mustang first came out, there wasn't nearly as much aftermarket support for the 302 engine. After a few years it had blown up into what the chevy 350 had been. Also even though FORD doesnt use the 302 engine in production cars anymore, they still sell them. I also believe there are independant companies that cast the blocks for a reasonable price.

Whatever the case..i was just thinking about this hypothetical.

What if? What if someone had the balls to try and start this up for Sr20's? The accesories are abundant, and the aftermarket support is there. We just need the friggin engines.

how difficult would it be to make a copy of the casting for the sr20det engine? I'm sure the machinery would cost a buttload, but someone must own the machines already. Someone just needs to contract them to start building.

Mr. Badlose · 08-20-2004, 11:39 AM

A VARiable you are missing is the cheapness of 240 owners! As for SRs, I doubt they'll ever be even close to as popular as the Ford example. Give it a couple years, and the 240 trend will die down after everyone crashes them.

In other thoughts, I wonder how much it would cost. (Or how about swap kits for VQ engines? THAT would be cool!)

atom · 08-20-2004, 12:21 PM

Will never happen. The Honda scene is exponentionally bigger than the 240 scene, how many people do you see with Dart blocks? Now reduce that number by like 95% and you have the number of people that would actually buy an aftermarket SR block.

nightwalker · 08-20-2004, 12:23 PM

I don't think there will be enough 240s to support a broad aftermarket. (everyone being cheap doesn't help either) Our aftermarket is solely based on the japanese market. Not many things for our cars are from the U.S., got to think about that. If brand new cast blocks start being produced, it will be coming from Japan.

Honda B series engines already have new blocks being produced that are not factory. Brand new heads too. Just like the old skool v8 motors. So much ridiculous amount of aftermarket support for Hondas. But you know what? Honda people will shell out money for their cars. Even though they tend to concentrate it on the engine, they spend a shit load of money.

You have to take into account the amount of Civics/Integras on the road versus 240s. Just think about how many 240s you see everyday. That's a good indicator.

sticky240 · 08-20-2004, 12:23 PM

would be nice but like others have said it wont happen and if it does it I dont think the cost will be that much better.

Can't you buy some Honda engines in a crate from some aftermarket company?

CoasTek240 · 08-20-2004, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sticky240

Can't you buy some Honda engines in a crate from some aftermarket company?

look a couple posts above yours. yes!

driftfactory · 08-20-2004, 12:42 PM

It's already being done in Japan.

I just hope the price drops and they come here.

Andrew Bohan · 08-20-2004, 12:45 PM

that is a damn purdy motor, mmhmm

Salty_X · 08-20-2004, 12:32 PM

Doesn't Tomei already sell motors like this, with new blocks and aftermarket components... Who has one of those?
AFAIK, just one person does.

Andrew Bohan · 08-20-2004, 12:37 PM

yeah, $10,000 tomei crate motor w00t!

Var · 08-20-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty_X

Doesn't Tomei already sell motors like this, with new blocks and aftermarket components... Who has one of those?
AFAIK, just one person does.

yeah..that's the exact oppostire of what i was thinking. those engine are overpriced. I'm talking about the engine block, crankshaft, rods and pistons, and a completely bare head. something like 3-4k for the block, and 1000 for the head

mjjstang · 08-20-2004, 12:40 PM

let me fire up catia and ill have a desing for u guys in no time. btw im goin to add 2 extra cylindars to the design though. brb.

atom · 08-20-2004, 12:47 PM

Tomei isn't a new block, you send them your old engine and they rebuild it from the ground up for you.

***S14DB*** · 08-20-2004, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by atom

Tomei isn't a new block, you send them your old engine and they rebuild it from the ground up for you.

They build yours to what ever spec you want then send it back with a Reytec tuned just for your set up.

NotDave · 08-20-2004, 12:48 PM

why get a brand new one anyways?

longblocks dont cost too much and until japan runs out of SRs which is not gonna happen for quite a while its not cost effective.

plus SRs are not street legal and the believe the 302 is but dont quote me on that.

jedc · 08-20-2004, 03:04 PM

Hey driftfactory, who builds that motor and what is the price on it?

WilloW · 08-20-2004, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jedc

Hey driftfactory, who builds that motor and what is the price on it?

That's a TODA motor, with a dry sump system too I think.

**mrmephistopheles** · 08-20-2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WilloW

That's a TODA motor

I'm gonna say 'no', considering it says 'DAISHIN' on the valve cover.

edit: it might say toda on the other side. I can't tell. I need e-glasses.

WilloW · 08-20-2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

I'm gonna say 'no', considering it says 'DAISHIN' on the valve cover.

edit: it might say toda on the other side. I can't tell. I need e-glasses.

Its TODA's race engine, it was made for the Daishin Silvia for the GT300. Click here then scroll down to see this motor

SirWarrior · 08-20-2004, 03:43 PM

why new block??
if I was to consider doing something like this. I would get a longblock (or even shortblock if I could find one) and do the internals my way, by the guy that built many motors for me and my friends. Since I could pick the piston/rod etc combo,bore size, the end product would be better than getting a new SR and start putting in different compression piston, different cams and all that good stuff.
OE is great, but if you know how to rebuilt a motor (or know some1 else that can) its going to be better in the end.
Hope that makes sense

Var · 08-20-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SirWarrior

why new block??
if I was to consider doing something like this. I would get a longblock (or even shortblock if I could find one) and do the internals my way, by the guy that built many motors for me and my friends. Since I could pick the piston/rod etc combo,bore size, the end product would be better than getting a new SR and start putting in different compression piston, different cams and all that good stuff.
OE is great, but if you know how to rebuilt a motor (or know some1 else that can) its going to be better in the end.
Hope that makes sense

yeah i guess you have a point. but sr longblocks are too freaking expensive especially when you risk getting a blown one.(guaranteed good engine is cool for like 500-800, but you're more likely to pay 1000+ with no guarantee) plus they are getting more and more rare . i dont think it's gonna go away..look at corollas. they are like 3-4 grand right now cause they are so rare. They are only going to go UP in price.

Var · 08-20-2004, 04:00 PM

Here are some *TOMEI* engines. Horsepower-wise not too impressive for the price, but it's pro built and probably will handle a lot of abuse. also probably tuned as perfectly as possible for best engine reponse yada yada..

atom · 08-20-2004, 04:11 PM

As far as the Dart B series blocks go, you can get them with an increased block deck height which will help if you're going big displacement. People using the Dart blocks are going 2.2+ liter displacement, insane on a stock block.

Having a 2.3-2.4 liter SR would be kinda cool I guess.....

**mrmephistopheles** · 08-20-2004, 07:10 PM

WilloW. thanks for the heads-up. I'm glad I chose to edit and not make myself look like a total idiot.

WilloW · 08-20-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

WilloW. thanks for the heads-up. I'm glad I chose to edit and not make myself look like a total idiot.

Heheh, its all good. The first time I saw that thing 2 years ago I thought it was a Daishin motor.

SimpleS14 · 08-20-2004, 09:22 PM

I believe Top Secret makes motors as well.

the240sxer95 · 08-21-2004, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

WilloW. thanks for the heads-up. I'm glad I chose to edit and not make myself look like a total idiot.

also says "toda" on the lower part of the cover if my eyes are mistaken

mike13 · 08-20-2004, 09:24 PM

n00b question: whats the difference between long and short block?

***S14DB*** · 08-20-2004, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mike13

n00b question: whats the difference between long and short block?

Short is just the block and internals. Long has the head on it.

mike13 · 08-22-2004, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by S14DB

Short is just the block and internals. Long has the head on it.

thanks

08-20-2004, 11:23 AM	#1
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What would it take for Brand New Sr's? I was just having another brainfart yesterday thinking about this hypothetical. Back when the fox-body mustang first came out, there wasn't nearly as much aftermarket support for the 302 engine. After a few years it had blown up into what the chevy 350 had been. Also even though FORD doesnt use the 302 engine in production cars anymore, they still sell them. I also believe there are independant companies that cast the blocks for a reasonable price. Whatever the case..i was just thinking about this hypothetical. What if? What if someone had the balls to try and start this up for Sr20's? The accesories are abundant, and the aftermarket support is there. We just need the friggin engines. how difficult would it be to make a copy of the casting for the sr20det engine? I'm sure the machinery would cost a buttload, but someone must own the machines already. Someone just needs to contract them to start building. __________________ Hi

08-20-2004, 11:39 AM	#2
Mr. Badlose Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: CA Posts: 327 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	A VARiable you are missing is the cheapness of 240 owners! As for SRs, I doubt they'll ever be even close to as popular as the Ford example. Give it a couple years, and the 240 trend will die down after everyone crashes them. In other thoughts, I wonder how much it would cost. (Or how about swap kits for VQ engines? THAT would be cool!) Last edited by Mr. Badlose; 08-20-2004 at 12:16 PM..

08-20-2004, 12:23 PM	#4
nightwalker Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay area Age: 46 Posts: 2,146 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't think there will be enough 240s to support a broad aftermarket. (everyone being cheap doesn't help either) Our aftermarket is solely based on the japanese market. Not many things for our cars are from the U.S., got to think about that. If brand new cast blocks start being produced, it will be coming from Japan. Honda B series engines already have new blocks being produced that are not factory. Brand new heads too. Just like the old skool v8 motors. So much ridiculous amount of aftermarket support for Hondas. But you know what? Honda people will shell out money for their cars. Even though they tend to concentrate it on the engine, they spend a shit load of money. You have to take into account the amount of Civics/Integras on the road versus 240s. Just think about how many 240s you see everyday. That's a good indicator. __________________ In life, we often cast the line of hope fishing for the best possible opportunity. Sometimes with enough effort, the things we catch are nothing short of amazing.

08-20-2004, 12:23 PM	#5
sticky240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Moreno Valley, CA Age: 43 Posts: 468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	would be nice but like others have said it wont happen and if it does it I dont think the cost will be that much better. Can't you buy some Honda engines in a crate from some aftermarket company? __________________ Guh-Noo-Beez

08-20-2004, 12:42 PM	#7
driftfactory Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: LA Posts: 200 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It's already being done in Japan. I just hope the price drops and they come here. __________________ The Performance Super Store. Nardi, Silk Road, Agency Power, KAAZ, Peak Performance, Cusco, and More! www.hachilife.com http://www.myspace.com/driftfactory

08-20-2004, 12:21 PM	#3
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Will never happen. The Honda scene is exponentionally bigger than the 240 scene, how many people do you see with Dart blocks? Now reduce that number by like 95% and you have the number of people that would actually buy an aftermarket SR block.

08-20-2004, 12:45 PM	#8
Andrew Bohan Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,331 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	that is a damn purdy motor, mmhmm

08-20-2004, 12:32 PM	#9
Salty_X Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Modesto Posts: 1,221 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Doesn't Tomei already sell motors like this, with new blocks and aftermarket components... Who has one of those? AFAIK, just one person does. __________________

08-20-2004, 12:37 PM	#10
Andrew Bohan Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,331 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	yeah, $10,000 tomei crate motor w00t!

08-20-2004, 12:40 PM	#12
mjjstang Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,654 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	let me fire up catia and ill have a desing for u guys in no time. btw im goin to add 2 extra cylindars to the design though. brb. __________________ I was going to, but I can not think of a sig less than 75 characters.

08-20-2004, 12:47 PM	#13
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Tomei isn't a new block, you send them your old engine and they rebuild it from the ground up for you.

08-20-2004, 12:48 PM	#15
NotDave Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: sacramento Age: 42 Posts: 99 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	why get a brand new one anyways? longblocks dont cost too much and until japan runs out of SRs which is not gonna happen for quite a while its not cost effective. plus SRs are not street legal and the believe the 302 is but dont quote me on that.

08-20-2004, 03:04 PM	#16
jedc Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South MS Posts: 172 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey driftfactory, who builds that motor and what is the price on it?

08-20-2004, 03:43 PM	#20
SirWarrior Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 762 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	why new block?? if I was to consider doing something like this. I would get a longblock (or even shortblock if I could find one) and do the internals my way, by the guy that built many motors for me and my friends. Since I could pick the piston/rod etc combo,bore size, the end product would be better than getting a new SR and start putting in different compression piston, different cams and all that good stuff. OE is great, but if you know how to rebuilt a motor (or know some1 else that can) its going to be better in the end. Hope that makes sense __________________ 92 FastBack - Project 98 SE - Daily Driver

08-20-2004, 04:00 PM	#22
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here are some TOMEI engines. Horsepower-wise not too impressive for the price, but it's pro built and probably will handle a lot of abuse. also probably tuned as perfectly as possible for best engine reponse yada yada.. __________________ Hi

08-20-2004, 04:11 PM	#23
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As far as the Dart B series blocks go, you can get them with an increased block deck height which will help if you're going big displacement. People using the Dart blocks are going 2.2+ liter displacement, insane on a stock block. Having a 2.3-2.4 liter SR would be kinda cool I guess.....

08-20-2004, 07:10 PM	#24
mrmephistopheles Magnanimous Justice Distribution Service Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BFE Age: 23 Posts: 14,372 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: mrmephistopheles Feedback Score: 9 reviews	WilloW. thanks for the heads-up. I'm glad I chose to edit and not make myself look like a total idiot.

08-20-2004, 09:22 PM	#26
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 42 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I believe Top Secret makes motors as well. __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

08-20-2004, 09:24 PM	#28
mike13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh Age: 42 Posts: 691 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	n00b question: whats the difference between long and short block?