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lv240s14 · 01-31-2005, 10:11 PM

Well i have been looking for some good tires and i have heard alot of different stories from different people. I know i want a good "sticky" tire upfront while have a ok tired to slide in the rear. While i don't think the tire in the rear is that big of a deal i want a good tire upfront with decent treadlife and good grip. I have heard of the fallowing tires. Falken rt215 "azenis sports" st 115 which is a step down but still grip with better tread life. Fm901s which are soft and have good tread from what i heard. es 100s and others. If anyone has some stories or experiences please share with me to help make my choice.

Toahk · 01-31-2005, 10:47 PM

I <8 my yoko avs es 100's, great all around tire.

s13irdie2 · 01-31-2005, 10:49 PM

hows the falken ziex's for drifting? i used them in the front and shitty tires in the back last dday and since it was my first time i couldnt really make a comparison. how much more are the sports to the ziex's?

to answer your question though, most of the people at dday were running es100's and azenis which are mucho expensive. i dont have the kind of money to spend it on those tires.

BlackZenkiS14 · 01-31-2005, 11:00 PM

I am going to use Falken Azenis Sports up front,m or maybe even some new Advan tires that recently became available. But i was curious about the rears as well, like said above, i am not too worried about the level of traction, i just want a tire with a stiff-ass sidewall and a long(er) treadlife. What do you guys think?

citizen · 01-31-2005, 11:06 PM

azenis sports all four corners~

DocTaDrifT · 01-31-2005, 11:35 PM

just buy anything that arnt kuhmo 711s or 712s

Brian · 02-01-2005, 12:07 AM

just wait until you NEED that grip in the back...
then you'll be sorry that you went with shitty tires for the rear.

s13irdie2 · 02-01-2005, 12:35 AM

im thinkin about getting the kuhmo ecsta mx's after doing some searches.

lv240, search around the site and youll find lots of info on which tires would suit your need.

sideviewcivic · 02-01-2005, 01:24 AM

im using some michelin energy's lasted great at the land-ho event, great wear rate, using some goodyears N2(IIRC) treadwear 180 great grip up front.

-Aaron

Flybert · 02-01-2005, 01:26 AM

Here is the breakdown for tires in the rear and why they are good.

ST115 = grippy, smoke nicely, get grippier as they get warmer, wear out a little quicker
ES100s = pretty grippy, easy to spin, get a little greasy when they get hot, like to chunk
FM901 = less grippy, easy to spin, take temperatures well, last long

As for the front, make sure you get good tires that are the same or slightly more grippy than rear depending on size choice. And make sure that your front tires have more tread than the rear, especially if you are running a staggered setup because you will tend to understeer.

BlackZenkiS14 · 02-01-2005, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flybert

Here is the breakdown for tires in the rear and why they are good.

ST115 = grippy, smoke nicely, get grippier as they get warmer, wear out a little quicker
ES100s = pretty grippy, easy to spin, get a little greasy when they get hot, like to chunk
FM901 = less grippy, easy to spin, take temperatures well, last long

As for the front, make sure you get good tires that are the same or slightly more grippy than rear depending on size choice. And make sure that your front tires have more tread than the rear, especially if you are running a staggered setup because you will tend to understeer.

That is exactly the comparison i was looking for, thank you very much for the info. I really appreciate it. where can these tires be purchased for the best price?

toraji · 02-01-2005, 08:55 AM

used tires for drifting > *

wootwoot · 02-01-2005, 10:32 AM

This is why its great working with automotive. I get to go through alll the used tires we take off cars and keep what I deem appropriate. Now I just need to get the money for my car to get it going good. I have about 3 pairs of tires for my rear!

JaeTea · 02-01-2005, 11:38 AM

I would NOT recommend Yokohama Avid V4S.

I was over-driving the fronts (they were turning blue) doing just basic 2nd gear J-turns. Plus they chunk like hell. Totally unpredictable, go from grip to drift in a split second.

Worst tire I ever driven on. I wanted to punch myself in the face for buying them.

Var · 02-01-2005, 12:08 PM

I tore up my FM901's. I didnt like how they were behaving for some reason. They chunked and didnt smell good. i wont use them again. ES100's smoke nice, and ST115 arent available in too many sizes. Overall i think ES100 would be my choice until i got the correct size rims to run the St-115's

Sil Beer S13 · 02-01-2005, 12:39 PM

I like my ES001

Flybert · 02-01-2005, 01:02 PM

The thing with ES100's that I've noticed is that all of the tires seem to react differently. When I was running 195/55/15, I didn't have a problem with chunking. Then I started using 205/50/16 and they started chunking. One important thing to do to make sure your tires last is to check the tire pressures after every run to see if they are within spec. If they go above 40psi, they will tend to chunk and turn blue and do all that other stuff that ends your day quickly. I have friends that have run 235/40/17 and other 17 inch sizes and have noticed that they like to chunk. I've been losing faith in ES100s but I haven't completely given up on them.

I just got a set of DZ101 for the next event. They are 215/50/16 and I've heard nothing but good things from experienced guys in Japan. I'm probably going to be one of the first people in America to try them out so I'll definitely be letting people know how they work. Hopefully they live up to the hype. Only problem I see is that they only have this one 16in size that is worth trying. The 17in sizes all blow. We need more choices from this tire.

s13irdie2 · 02-01-2005, 01:35 PM

what company makes the fm091's? sorry the the newb question

Var · 02-01-2005, 02:49 PM

dunlop......

s13irdie2 · 02-01-2005, 03:18 PM

thanks...

lv240s14 · 02-02-2005, 02:26 AM

that is some good advice on tires but i got it down to either falken azenis sports which cost more or st 115's which cost less but i have heard last longer than the sports but how much longer is the question. I have also been told that they are pretty sticky too. If anyone has experience with these tires please share.

TurDz · 02-02-2005, 03:50 AM

well if you're not a hardcore track/drift guy...st115's are made to be silent...read some reviews on those.

*revat619* · 02-02-2005, 04:17 AM

Well, i have used several tires in the front on my car and so far my favorite is the Falken Azenis Sport. It grips very well in dry whether and they get better as you heat them up. And they last pretty long too. Yokohama es100s are also very good too. Supposedly michelin pilot sports are very nice for front tires too, but i tried them and didnt like them at all. The thing with tires is, everybody has their own preference. Some people hate es100s others like them, some people hate falken azenis st115s others swear by them and so on. So in your case, i would just pick one of the popluar ones and go from there. If you dont like it, switch to something else. It may take a bit to find the tire for you, but its well worth it once you find it. Dont forget, tire pressure plays a big part in how a tire performs so you may have to mess with those a bit to get the feel you want. Good luck.

lv240s14 · 02-02-2005, 04:38 PM

yeah i a pretty stuck on azenis sports but i want my tires to last a while and not go in a week that is why i was considering the st115's.

sideviewcivic · 02-03-2005, 12:16 AM

***reminder to not put falken azenis on the rears, once they heat up, unless you have power to overcome the grip once they heat up, it will screw up your learning curve***

JaeTea · 02-03-2005, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flybert

If they go above 40psi, they will tend to chunk and turn blue and do all that other stuff that ends your day quickly.

Hmmm...for track and drift wouldn't you want your tires around 40psi cold?

Any less you're just gonna be rolling over on the sidewall.

Brian · 02-03-2005, 10:53 AM

when i check mine when i first get to the track, they are usually around 32.
thats it.

citizen · 02-03-2005, 02:16 PM

you underinflate tires when driving hard, cuz ya know, when they get hot the air inside them expands~
people that inflate their tires to 40psi+ when cold aren't getting the most out of them.

orion::S14 · 02-03-2005, 02:28 PM

There is no set inflation pressure...it depends on YOUR tire size, rim width, and the sidewall stiffness.

You have to make a run, check for rollover, then add/remove air to get the most out of your contact patch.

FYI...

- Brian

*revat619* · 02-03-2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

when i check mine when i first get to the track, they are usually around 32.
thats it.

hahaha i swear dude, we run almost the exact same specs when it comes to wheels and tires!

Anyway, for the track, i start out with my tires at about 32 psi as well. Like whats already been said, when the tires heat up, the hot air causes them to expand. Hence the reason why, AT THE TRACK, you shouldnt start out cold with them set at 40psi.

01-31-2005, 10:11 PM	#1
lv240s14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Las vegas Age: 40 Posts: 464 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Tires for drifting Well i have been looking for some good tires and i have heard alot of different stories from different people. I know i want a good "sticky" tire upfront while have a ok tired to slide in the rear. While i don't think the tire in the rear is that big of a deal i want a good tire upfront with decent treadlife and good grip. I have heard of the fallowing tires. Falken rt215 "azenis sports" st 115 which is a step down but still grip with better tread life. Fm901s which are soft and have good tread from what i heard. es 100s and others. If anyone has some stories or experiences please share with me to help make my choice.

01-31-2005, 10:47 PM	#2
Toahk Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: N. Cali Age: 39 Posts: 434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I <8 my yoko avs es 100's, great all around tire. __________________ formerly Norcal_Drifter http://www.cardomain.com/id/toahk

01-31-2005, 10:49 PM	#3
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 38 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hows the falken ziex's for drifting? i used them in the front and shitty tires in the back last dday and since it was my first time i couldnt really make a comparison. how much more are the sports to the ziex's? to answer your question though, most of the people at dday were running es100's and azenis which are mucho expensive. i dont have the kind of money to spend it on those tires. __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

01-31-2005, 11:00 PM	#4
BlackZenkiS14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: "St. Chuck", MO Age: 39 Posts: 2,095 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	I am going to use Falken Azenis Sports up front,m or maybe even some new Advan tires that recently became available. But i was curious about the rears as well, like said above, i am not too worried about the level of traction, i just want a tire with a stiff-ass sidewall and a long(er) treadlife. What do you guys think? __________________ -Kyle

02-01-2005, 12:07 AM	#7
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	just wait until you NEED that grip in the back... then you'll be sorry that you went with shitty tires for the rear. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

01-31-2005, 11:06 PM	#5
citizen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,240 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: citizen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	azenis sports all four corners~

01-31-2005, 11:35 PM	#6
DocTaDrifT Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montebello Age: 38 Posts: 966 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just buy anything that arnt kuhmo 711s or 712s

02-01-2005, 12:35 AM	#8
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 38 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im thinkin about getting the kuhmo ecsta mx's after doing some searches. lv240, search around the site and youll find lots of info on which tires would suit your need. __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

02-01-2005, 01:24 AM	#9
sideviewcivic BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere north of mexico Age: 40 Posts: 356 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im using some michelin energy's lasted great at the land-ho event, great wear rate, using some goodyears N2(IIRC) treadwear 180 great grip up front. -Aaron

02-01-2005, 01:26 AM	#10
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Here is the breakdown for tires in the rear and why they are good. ST115 = grippy, smoke nicely, get grippier as they get warmer, wear out a little quicker ES100s = pretty grippy, easy to spin, get a little greasy when they get hot, like to chunk FM901 = less grippy, easy to spin, take temperatures well, last long As for the front, make sure you get good tires that are the same or slightly more grippy than rear depending on size choice. And make sure that your front tires have more tread than the rear, especially if you are running a staggered setup because you will tend to understeer.

02-01-2005, 08:55 AM	#12
toraji Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2004 Location: california Age: 44 Posts: 87 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	used tires for drifting > *

02-01-2005, 10:32 AM	#13
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This is why its great working with automotive. I get to go through alll the used tires we take off cars and keep what I deem appropriate. Now I just need to get the money for my car to get it going good. I have about 3 pairs of tires for my rear!

02-01-2005, 11:38 AM	#14
JaeTea Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: EC Posts: 967 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: JaeTea Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I would NOT recommend Yokohama Avid V4S. I was over-driving the fronts (they were turning blue) doing just basic 2nd gear J-turns. Plus they chunk like hell. Totally unpredictable, go from grip to drift in a split second. Worst tire I ever driven on. I wanted to punch myself in the face for buying them. __________________ KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!

02-01-2005, 12:08 PM	#15
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I tore up my FM901's. I didnt like how they were behaving for some reason. They chunked and didnt smell good. i wont use them again. ES100's smoke nice, and ST115 arent available in too many sizes. Overall i think ES100 would be my choice until i got the correct size rims to run the St-115's __________________ Hi

02-01-2005, 12:39 PM	#16
Sil Beer S13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chino!...NOT CHINO HILLS! Age: 43 Posts: 1,117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I like my ES001

02-01-2005, 01:02 PM	#17
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	The thing with ES100's that I've noticed is that all of the tires seem to react differently. When I was running 195/55/15, I didn't have a problem with chunking. Then I started using 205/50/16 and they started chunking. One important thing to do to make sure your tires last is to check the tire pressures after every run to see if they are within spec. If they go above 40psi, they will tend to chunk and turn blue and do all that other stuff that ends your day quickly. I have friends that have run 235/40/17 and other 17 inch sizes and have noticed that they like to chunk. I've been losing faith in ES100s but I haven't completely given up on them. I just got a set of DZ101 for the next event. They are 215/50/16 and I've heard nothing but good things from experienced guys in Japan. I'm probably going to be one of the first people in America to try them out so I'll definitely be letting people know how they work. Hopefully they live up to the hype. Only problem I see is that they only have this one 16in size that is worth trying. The 17in sizes all blow. We need more choices from this tire.

02-01-2005, 01:35 PM	#18
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 38 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what company makes the fm091's? sorry the the newb question __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

02-01-2005, 02:49 PM	#19
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dunlop...... __________________ Hi

02-01-2005, 03:18 PM	#20
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 38 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks... __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

02-02-2005, 02:26 AM	#21
lv240s14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Las vegas Age: 40 Posts: 464 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	that is some good advice on tires but i got it down to either falken azenis sports which cost more or st 115's which cost less but i have heard last longer than the sports but how much longer is the question. I have also been told that they are pretty sticky too. If anyone has experience with these tires please share. Last edited by lv240s14; 02-02-2005 at 02:52 AM..

02-02-2005, 03:50 AM	#22
TurDz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well if you're not a hardcore track/drift guy...st115's are made to be silent...read some reviews on those.

02-02-2005, 04:17 AM	#23
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Well, i have used several tires in the front on my car and so far my favorite is the Falken Azenis Sport. It grips very well in dry whether and they get better as you heat them up. And they last pretty long too. Yokohama es100s are also very good too. Supposedly michelin pilot sports are very nice for front tires too, but i tried them and didnt like them at all. The thing with tires is, everybody has their own preference. Some people hate es100s others like them, some people hate falken azenis st115s others swear by them and so on. So in your case, i would just pick one of the popluar ones and go from there. If you dont like it, switch to something else. It may take a bit to find the tire for you, but its well worth it once you find it. Dont forget, tire pressure plays a big part in how a tire performs so you may have to mess with those a bit to get the feel you want. Good luck. __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade

02-02-2005, 04:38 PM	#24
lv240s14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Las vegas Age: 40 Posts: 464 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	yeah i a pretty stuck on azenis sports but i want my tires to last a while and not go in a week that is why i was considering the st115's.

02-03-2005, 12:16 AM	#25
sideviewcivic BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere north of mexico Age: 40 Posts: 356 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	*reminder to not put falken azenis on the rears, once they heat up, unless you have power to overcome the grip once they heat up, it will screw up your learning curve*

02-03-2005, 10:53 AM	#27
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	when i check mine when i first get to the track, they are usually around 32. thats it. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

02-03-2005, 02:16 PM	#28
citizen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,240 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: citizen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you underinflate tires when driving hard, cuz ya know, when they get hot the air inside them expands~ people that inflate their tires to 40psi+ when cold aren't getting the most out of them.

02-03-2005, 02:28 PM	#29
orion::S14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orange Park, FL Posts: 1,666 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There is no set inflation pressure...it depends on YOUR tire size, rim width, and the sidewall stiffness. You have to make a run, check for rollover, then add/remove air to get the most out of your contact patch. FYI... - Brian __________________ www.KA24DEvelopment.com