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sw20>>s14 · 05-26-2005, 10:02 PM

yes, i didnt search. im at my gfs house who has 56k. it took long enough to make this post...i really need help! my car is on the brink of being towed from my gfs house...
about a week ago, i spun out and bent my pass rear lower control arm and traction bar. the day before i picked up all the necessary parts...
so im switching the lower control arm and everythings going cool, but the spindle is pressed into the lower, so i had to switch spindles too. so i took everything off the bent spindle, removed the humungo axle nut, took all the bars off the crossmember (left them connected to the spindle), removed all four hub bolts (thought i would remove the hub/bearing assembly first, no luck), etc. the only thing holding the spindle/hub/bars assembly is the output shaft. the output shaft is still threaded on the hub...took a mallot to it, pulled a couple back/groin muscles, etc....
is there something im missing? or am i just weak? are there any tricks or tools that would make this a lot easier? im trying to avoid removing the output shaft from the diff because im doing this at my gfs house with minimal tools/jack/jackstands and i dont want to die...this one step of removing the shaft is taking a lot of time that is much needed...

and just while im on it, is there a "right" (by right, i mean easy) way to install the output shaft back on the hub? any help would be greatly appreciated, keep my broke ass back on the streets! thanks in advance for any tips!

projectRDM · 05-26-2005, 10:16 PM

First off, you're mixing words. The output shaft is the short piece that comes out of the diff, the axle is what you're talking about.
It should slide out with a little effort, however if you've been beating on it then you've already crowned the end of it and it's ruined. Get a puller and use that to push it through, then check and see how bad it's damaged by fitting the axle nut back on. Chances are you'll need a new axle. The metal threads are soft and don't take a beating very well.

sw20>>s14 · 05-26-2005, 10:41 PM

hmmm...crap. yeah, i am talking about the axle, not the output shaft; i stand corrected...i knew that hitting it was not right and i considered that not to be an option...i tried to slide it, but no luck at all, so as a last resort, i started hitting it with a mallot...i basically measured how much it moved by the cotter pin...the cotter pin is no about 2mm off with the hub (meaning, its going into the hole at an angle). so hitting it is working, not well, but its working...it doesnt feel like the rust seized it (seeing as how it moved very little), but just great resistance. also, i assumed this was going to be like a bolt, using great force to break the thread, but once its broken, it should be easier...as i said above, its moving, but its just as hard from when i started...is it going to take this much force all the way through...

R240NA, is it really suppose to slide with minimal effort? do you think i should spray some kind of grease/lube/brake cleaner to break down the rust? man, my backs quivering...cant take much more of this abuse! thanks

sw20>>s14 · 05-26-2005, 10:55 PM

and just to confirm, (im pretty sure, but on some level, i want to be wrong just to make this easier) the spindle has to be pressed into the lower right? because if not, im going to die...all i would have had to do is keep my spindle and replace the lower, instead of trying to mess with the axle and hub...

infinitexsound · 05-27-2005, 01:19 AM

need a heavier mallet u can unbolt the axle from the stub on the diff and have it drop down, then spray some lube like wd-40 or what ever u can get thats a penetrating grease for lube... anyways use a mallet and beat the end... not the threaded part.... u could even use a piece of wood to place before the axle... ive done this many of times on a honda... works real well

if your refering the spindle to wheel bearing and hub as the spindle yes those have to be pressed in.. you mean lower control arm??? eh if removing the axle is really a bother... use a puller.. if the lower isnt coming off then use a pickle fork... im confused eh..

projectRDM · 05-27-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sw20>>s14

and just to confirm, (im pretty sure, but on some level, i want to be wrong just to make this easier) the spindle has to be pressed into the lower right? because if not, im going to die...all i would have had to do is keep my spindle and replace the lower, instead of trying to mess with the axle and hub...

The balljoint does not press in. When tightened up it seats into the spindle, there's no need to even torque it that tight. It's a 22mm, use a wrench to take the nut off, then use a pickle fork or a splitter to get it off. You can even use a long prybar and hammer since it's trash.

I was wondering why you were messing with the axle anyway, there was no need to touch it. Now that you've beat on it it's also toast, so keep pounding. I popped a pair out yesterday with little effort, but I have had some that require ungodly force to move. Those always get replaced anyway because even the slightest hit will crown the threads. You've learned a major lesson I hope.
And I got a pair of good axles if you need one.

sw20>>s14 · 05-27-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by R240NA

The balljoint does not press in. When tightened up it seats into the spindle, there's no need to even torque it that tight. It's a 22mm, use a wrench to take the nut off, then use a pickle fork or a splitter to get it off. You can even use a long prybar and hammer since it's trash.

I was wondering why you were messing with the axle anyway, there was no need to touch it. Now that you've beat on it it's also toast, so keep pounding. I popped a pair out yesterday with little effort, but I have had some that require ungodly force to move. Those always get replaced anyway because even the slightest hit will crown the threads. You've learned a major lesson I hope.
And I got a pair of good axles if you need one.

i thought that the knuckle/spindle had to be pressed into the lca. if i knew i wouldnt have touched all the things i messed with...i would have just replaced the lower and have been on my damn merry way...damn it.

sw20>>s14 · 05-27-2005, 07:57 PM

okay, im confused...sorry guys if i come off as a vex...but i got the puller from autozone and god damn things are easy when you have the right tools. so the spindle/knuckle and lca are finally off the axle...but now, the hub that i need wont come off...so i tried tearing the spindle/knuckle off the lca from the ball joint, but i didnt have the right tools...i was always under the impression that when you take the four 19mm bolts holding the hubs, they should just come off...its not moving. dont want to hit it because its a bearing (unless if im wrong). tried prying it off, but no luck...any advice? thanks for the tips guys...i always come into small problems that add up to a lot of time wasted when working on cars...

infinitexsound · 05-31-2005, 07:14 PM

beat it.. with a big ass driver, i used a big ass socket i had.. that fits around the edge of the bearing.. comes off easy.. just take it easy and dont damage it... and when u see a gap opening then u know its gonna come apart.. use a deadblow hammer.. not a metal one... and a big ass impact socket if u dont have some sort of driver...

Mike Wazowski · 05-31-2005, 07:45 PM

I took my axles out yesterday. The passenger side came out with a few whacks; the driver side required a 3-jaw puller. Just put your lug nuts back on and put the 3-jaw puller on the rotor and start turning the puller. Comes out easily. I took mine out for installing chomoly axles.

If you decide to whack it, you should leave the nut threaded on and whack at the nut, not the axle. You can easily buy a new nut or force it back on if it is deformed, but making a mushroom out of an axle, makes life hell.

05-26-2005, 10:02 PM	#1
sw20>>s14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: bay area Posts: 5,656 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	drivetrain/output shaft help! please! please! yes, i didnt search. im at my gfs house who has 56k. it took long enough to make this post...i really need help! my car is on the brink of being towed from my gfs house... about a week ago, i spun out and bent my pass rear lower control arm and traction bar. the day before i picked up all the necessary parts... so im switching the lower control arm and everythings going cool, but the spindle is pressed into the lower, so i had to switch spindles too. so i took everything off the bent spindle, removed the humungo axle nut, took all the bars off the crossmember (left them connected to the spindle), removed all four hub bolts (thought i would remove the hub/bearing assembly first, no luck), etc. the only thing holding the spindle/hub/bars assembly is the output shaft. the output shaft is still threaded on the hub...took a mallot to it, pulled a couple back/groin muscles, etc.... is there something im missing? or am i just weak? are there any tricks or tools that would make this a lot easier? im trying to avoid removing the output shaft from the diff because im doing this at my gfs house with minimal tools/jack/jackstands and i dont want to die...this one step of removing the shaft is taking a lot of time that is much needed... and just while im on it, is there a "right" (by right, i mean easy) way to install the output shaft back on the hub? any help would be greatly appreciated, keep my broke ass back on the streets! thanks in advance for any tips! __________________ s14\| y34\| 911 gts\| exige s\| 600rr\| r3\| 250r\| 85 girlfriend

05-26-2005, 10:16 PM	#2
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 51 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	First off, you're mixing words. The output shaft is the short piece that comes out of the diff, the axle is what you're talking about. It should slide out with a little effort, however if you've been beating on it then you've already crowned the end of it and it's ruined. Get a puller and use that to push it through, then check and see how bad it's damaged by fitting the axle nut back on. Chances are you'll need a new axle. The metal threads are soft and don't take a beating very well. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

05-26-2005, 10:41 PM	#3
sw20>>s14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: bay area Posts: 5,656 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	hmmm...crap. yeah, i am talking about the axle, not the output shaft; i stand corrected...i knew that hitting it was not right and i considered that not to be an option...i tried to slide it, but no luck at all, so as a last resort, i started hitting it with a mallot...i basically measured how much it moved by the cotter pin...the cotter pin is no about 2mm off with the hub (meaning, its going into the hole at an angle). so hitting it is working, not well, but its working...it doesnt feel like the rust seized it (seeing as how it moved very little), but just great resistance. also, i assumed this was going to be like a bolt, using great force to break the thread, but once its broken, it should be easier...as i said above, its moving, but its just as hard from when i started...is it going to take this much force all the way through... R240NA, is it really suppose to slide with minimal effort? do you think i should spray some kind of grease/lube/brake cleaner to break down the rust? man, my backs quivering...cant take much more of this abuse! thanks __________________ s14\| y34\| 911 gts\| exige s\| 600rr\| r3\| 250r\| 85 girlfriend

05-26-2005, 10:55 PM	#4
sw20>>s14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: bay area Posts: 5,656 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	and just to confirm, (im pretty sure, but on some level, i want to be wrong just to make this easier) the spindle has to be pressed into the lower right? because if not, im going to die...all i would have had to do is keep my spindle and replace the lower, instead of trying to mess with the axle and hub... __________________ s14\| y34\| 911 gts\| exige s\| 600rr\| r3\| 250r\| 85 girlfriend

05-27-2005, 01:19 AM	#5
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 42 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	need a heavier mallet u can unbolt the axle from the stub on the diff and have it drop down, then spray some lube like wd-40 or what ever u can get thats a penetrating grease for lube... anyways use a mallet and beat the end... not the threaded part.... u could even use a piece of wood to place before the axle... ive done this many of times on a honda... works real well if your refering the spindle to wheel bearing and hub as the spindle yes those have to be pressed in.. you mean lower control arm??? eh if removing the axle is really a bother... use a puller.. if the lower isnt coming off then use a pickle fork... im confused eh.. __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

05-27-2005, 07:57 PM	#8
sw20>>s14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: bay area Posts: 5,656 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	okay, im confused...sorry guys if i come off as a vex...but i got the puller from autozone and god damn things are easy when you have the right tools. so the spindle/knuckle and lca are finally off the axle...but now, the hub that i need wont come off...so i tried tearing the spindle/knuckle off the lca from the ball joint, but i didnt have the right tools...i was always under the impression that when you take the four 19mm bolts holding the hubs, they should just come off...its not moving. dont want to hit it because its a bearing (unless if im wrong). tried prying it off, but no luck...any advice? thanks for the tips guys...i always come into small problems that add up to a lot of time wasted when working on cars... __________________ s14\| y34\| 911 gts\| exige s\| 600rr\| r3\| 250r\| 85 girlfriend

05-31-2005, 07:14 PM	#9
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 42 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	beat it.. with a big ass driver, i used a big ass socket i had.. that fits around the edge of the bearing.. comes off easy.. just take it easy and dont damage it... and when u see a gap opening then u know its gonna come apart.. use a deadblow hammer.. not a metal one... and a big ass impact socket if u dont have some sort of driver... __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

05-31-2005, 07:45 PM	#10
Mike Wazowski Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 94 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I took my axles out yesterday. The passenger side came out with a few whacks; the driver side required a 3-jaw puller. Just put your lug nuts back on and put the 3-jaw puller on the rotor and start turning the puller. Comes out easily. I took mine out for installing chomoly axles. If you decide to whack it, you should leave the nut threaded on and whack at the nut, not the axle. You can easily buy a new nut or force it back on if it is deformed, but making a mushroom out of an axle, makes life hell.