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joobojesse · 07-12-2005, 05:33 AM

I know a lot of people want a few degrees of negative camber for their cars for drifting, but i drive across the country twice a year in my s13, and right now i just want 0 camber (or near there) so i dont wear down my michelin pilots too fast.
I have heard that you can just slot the rear upper control arm holes and save a good 300 bucks that could otherwise go into other needed mods. Has anyone done this?? Does it hold up to drifting well??

I have the sportline/blues setup, btw.

http://www.240sx.org/links/installs/camber/camber.html

lilredstiffy · 07-12-2005, 08:05 AM

" Camber is degree in which your tires contact the road, and if its not 0 or there about, you will get bad tire wear. "

That sentence, is not correct. Your tire and suspension do things when you take a corner or when you acccelerate. I would say -.75 - -1.25 would probably give you optimal wear. Would probably handle better also.

420sx · 07-12-2005, 08:08 AM

^^^ yes. -.75 rear -1 front is somewhat very modest on tire wear.

my personal favourite, -1.25 front -1 rear for a very modest camber

joobojesse · 07-12-2005, 12:50 PM

ok, assuming i want whatever camber you guys are talking about.... have you heard of anyone doing the grinding thing??

s0ldats · 07-12-2005, 01:18 PM

yes i have and it's stupid. your alignment will get whacky after any amount of hard driving.

Var · 07-12-2005, 02:15 PM

The title of your thread reads "Rear Camber"

As far as i understand you can slot it all you want but the rear upper control arm which is bolted to the top of the hub controls camber in the rear, therefore making your shock assembly bend in at the top for no reason while the RUCA keeps the camber the same.

joobojesse · 07-12-2005, 10:28 PM

ok, thanks... looks like rucas are the next step! But do i heeed just the loop thingie, or do i need the bar thingie aswell??

DoriftoSlut · 07-12-2005, 10:55 PM

Just the "loop thingy". The "bar thingy" is a traction rod.

www.splparts.com has awesome thingies. I got my thingies from them.

Stock-S13 · 07-13-2005, 02:11 AM

^^^ Worst SPL plug to date!

Oh well atleast your getting his name out there.
Also thier are varations on what settings accomedate each other; suspension mods, tire/wheel size weight of the car etc.. I know nothing about drifting nor will i pretend to but a rather close contact of mine is familiar with the aspects of it.

And in my opinion I would NEVER slot any of my suspension pieces.

Also, let me see if I understand this correctly- you drift yet you fear premature tire wear, or wear at all? Hmmm... Change sport perhaps.

I think if you kept up with an allignment you would be fine.

LigouriRd · 07-13-2005, 01:46 PM

Um, camber is not what wears out tires. TOE DOES. The reason a lot of people wear out tires when they drop their car is that as the suspension compresses the rear toe increases along with camber. Its the tires pointing inward and the tops leaning inward that wears out the inner tread. If the toe was practically zero there would be no wear. Camber helps you corner by keeping the tire perpendicular to the ground as the car's body rolls. You want a slight amount of negative camber...unless all you do is drive in a straight line.

ranisron · 07-13-2005, 07:59 PM

toe will fuck up tires big time... I used wheels/tires from my altima, they weren't new, but they were gone pretty damn fast...

that's why I am putting on Toe rods with RUCA, nice ajustability....

joobojesse · 07-13-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stock-S13

Also, let me see if I understand this correctly- you drift yet you fear premature tire wear, or wear at all? Hmmm... Change sport perhaps.

No, dont drift when driving in a straight line across the country. There is no point in wasting expensive tires for no reason... no need to be a dickfor

07-12-2005, 05:33 AM	#1
joobojesse Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Rear Camber... I know a lot of people want a few degrees of negative camber for their cars for drifting, but i drive across the country twice a year in my s13, and right now i just want 0 camber (or near there) so i dont wear down my michelin pilots too fast. I have heard that you can just slot the rear upper control arm holes and save a good 300 bucks that could otherwise go into other needed mods. Has anyone done this?? Does it hold up to drifting well?? I have the sportline/blues setup, btw. http://www.240sx.org/links/installs/camber/camber.html

07-12-2005, 08:05 AM	#2
lilredstiffy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: louisiana Posts: 618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	" Camber is degree in which your tires contact the road, and if its not 0 or there about, you will get bad tire wear. " That sentence, is not correct. Your tire and suspension do things when you take a corner or when you acccelerate. I would say -.75 - -1.25 would probably give you optimal wear. Would probably handle better also. __________________ KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST KEEP CHARLIE MERCER BANNED HES A GOOD FOR NOTHING RACIST

07-12-2005, 08:08 AM	#3
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^ yes. -.75 rear -1 front is somewhat very modest on tire wear. my personal favourite, -1.25 front -1 rear for a very modest camber __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

07-12-2005, 02:15 PM	#6
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The title of your thread reads "Rear Camber" As far as i understand you can slot it all you want but the rear upper control arm which is bolted to the top of the hub controls camber in the rear, therefore making your shock assembly bend in at the top for no reason while the RUCA keeps the camber the same. __________________ Hi

07-12-2005, 10:55 PM	#8
DoriftoSlut Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal and Hawaii Age: 41 Posts: 1,986 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just the "loop thingy". The "bar thingy" is a traction rod. www.splparts.com has awesome thingies. I got my thingies from them. __________________ Death Before Dishonor. www.pinkgodzira.com www.driftalliance.com

07-12-2005, 12:50 PM	#4
joobojesse Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok, assuming i want whatever camber you guys are talking about.... have you heard of anyone doing the grinding thing??

07-12-2005, 01:18 PM	#5
s0ldats Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: so. cal Posts: 657 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes i have and it's stupid. your alignment will get whacky after any amount of hard driving.

07-12-2005, 10:28 PM	#7
joobojesse Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok, thanks... looks like rucas are the next step! But do i heeed just the loop thingie, or do i need the bar thingie aswell??

07-13-2005, 02:11 AM	#9
Stock-S13 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: so. cal Age: 39 Posts: 306 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^ Worst SPL plug to date! Oh well atleast your getting his name out there. Also thier are varations on what settings accomedate each other; suspension mods, tire/wheel size weight of the car etc.. I know nothing about drifting nor will i pretend to but a rather close contact of mine is familiar with the aspects of it. And in my opinion I would NEVER slot any of my suspension pieces. Also, let me see if I understand this correctly- you drift yet you fear premature tire wear, or wear at all? Hmmm... Change sport perhaps. I think if you kept up with an allignment you would be fine.

07-13-2005, 01:46 PM	#10
LigouriRd Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Edgerton Wi. Age: 46 Posts: 204 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Um, camber is not what wears out tires. TOE DOES. The reason a lot of people wear out tires when they drop their car is that as the suspension compresses the rear toe increases along with camber. Its the tires pointing inward and the tops leaning inward that wears out the inner tread. If the toe was practically zero there would be no wear. Camber helps you corner by keeping the tire perpendicular to the ground as the car's body rolls. You want a slight amount of negative camber...unless all you do is drive in a straight line. __________________ '96 Nissan 240SX KA-T ─ '05 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x2─'85 Nighthawk

07-13-2005, 07:59 PM	#11
ranisron Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 43 Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	toe will fuck up tires big time... I used wheels/tires from my altima, they weren't new, but they were gone pretty damn fast... that's why I am putting on Toe rods with RUCA, nice ajustability.... __________________ U13 and S13 zilvia members are friendly