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TheSparo · 08-04-2005, 11:13 AM

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...7&page=1&pp=15

i guess SR vs KA-T is becoming a more widely discussed platform

ALTRNTV · 08-04-2005, 11:33 AM

Jickel180 is a dumbass on that forum.

JaeTea · 08-04-2005, 12:07 PM

I feel dumber reading that.

drift freaq · 08-04-2005, 12:36 PM

ok that was just basically a rehash of a really tired old debate. Add to the fact that most of the guys debating it were not even getting their facts straight. I am not even going to entertain going down that road, hehehhehehhehehe look at my Avatar.

ALTRNTV · 08-04-2005, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaeTea

I feel dumber reading that.

+1

chlatboy · 08-04-2005, 01:29 PM

Wow. Rx7 guys sound just like us. ONly difference is we know what we are talking about.

Ian · 08-04-2005, 02:43 PM

lets have a rotary debate! haha

i think 6 rotors would be best

chlatboy · 08-04-2005, 02:58 PM

I have four on my car. Two are cross drilled and two are OEM!!!

Ian · 08-04-2005, 03:03 PM

OMG! crossdrilled rotary engine!

Maeda · 08-04-2005, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chlatboy

Wow. Rx7 guys sound just like us. ONly difference is we know what we are talking about.

HAHAHA.

How many of us really truely know what we are talking about?

kay_arsen · 08-04-2005, 03:22 PM

Jickel180 is fawkin annoying

Var · 08-04-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Maeda

HAHAHA.

How many of us really truely know what we are talking about?

I do sometimes. And sometimes you. Mostly me though

evrae205b · 08-04-2005, 03:25 PM

so whos gonan be ther first here to put a 20b in there s13? lol

Maeda · 08-04-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

I do sometimes. And sometimes you. Mostly me though

NAW mostly me!

But i do give you a pat on the back for effort.

raen419 · 08-04-2005, 04:23 PM

hahaha
that was a dumb.
i had a similar discussion w/ a bunch of civic guys on what a "S13" was.
they tried to tell me since i don't drive a coupe, it's not a s13....
LAME ARGUEMENT.
then they got mad when i said i wanted one of their cars for a daily driver.

420sx · 08-04-2005, 04:26 PM

hah. what a cock suckin fest. bunch of fags in that thread, just like honda tech chat

*NismoS13* · 08-04-2005, 07:30 PM

I replied since I'm a member there also and added my 2 cents. Dropping a KA engine into an Rx-7 would be a total waste and step backwards...

-Adam

Project D · 08-05-2005, 12:12 AM

^^^^How would that be a waste? WOuldn't the car be daily driveable then? No more "rotary magic" but far less maintenance.

wootwoot · 08-05-2005, 12:45 AM

Rotary engine debate time.

I suspect since Mazda has been messing around with direct injection in their piston engines, they are attempting to branch off with this into their rotaries. I think this is half the reason Mazda is delaying the current rx7 which could be made by Mazda very easily noting most parts would come off of the rx8. I also do not agree with that there is no room for a 7 and 8 at the same time noting that Inifiniti offers the g35 coupe/sedan and Nissan with the 350z. 3 very similar sports cars by "one" company. The next rx7 will be naturally aspirated with a rather high compression ratio because of direct injection. Gas mileage and emissions will be increased greatly. I also see it maybe possible for a n/a 20b to be the engine of choice, this is mostly depending on how much better the gas mileage could be with direct injection. Naturaly aspirated rotaries are amazingly reliable, and I dont want to hear people start rotary bashing because almost none of you know what you are talking about.

now who is going to get in on this with me? Who else is going to go on the rx7 forum from here and educate, then link to this thread after we get it going better?

"discuss" (thats for a chances are rotary hating Texan on here.)

SochBAT · 08-05-2005, 01:03 AM

that made my head hurt. STupid people!

Lets swap Carb engines into our cars. They are UBER efficient.

aznpoopy · 08-05-2005, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Project D

^^^^How would that be a waste? WOuldn't the car be daily driveable then? No more "rotary magic" but far less maintenance.

a 13B is not that bad. the reason they developed this negative reputation is because of

-stupid owners
-under/overengineered FD's blowing up stock (they need 'reliability modifications')

if you know what you're doing the FC's can last, especially the n/a 13B. i've seen many of them at 150k+ and still running strong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raen419

i had a similar discussion w/ a bunch of civic guys on what a "S13" was.
they tried to tell me since i don't drive a coupe, it's not a s13....

funny you should mention that.

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...&highlight=s13

t3h stupid starts at post #64, by timmya2

here's a sample:

Quote:

Originally Posted by O 165

I'm pretty sure he's right, though i can't confirm. The S13 is a Silvia, that's a 180sx in Japan, i checked a US vin, it's an S34 or something, i don't feel like looking it up again.

infinitexsound · 08-05-2005, 02:45 AM

6 rotors OMFGWTF!?!??!?!?!?! u know how many HP that is capable of? i wanna see it happen...aznpoopy laid the smack down buahahhhaha +1 for aznpoopy and zilvia

TheSparo · 08-05-2005, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

Rotary engine debate time.

I suspect since Mazda has been messing around with direct injection in their piston engines, they are attempting to branch off with this into their rotaries. I think this is half the reason Mazda is delaying the current rx7 which could be made by Mazda very easily noting most parts would come off of the rx8. I also do not agree with that there is no room for a 7 and 8 at the same time noting that Inifiniti offers the g35 coupe/sedan and Nissan with the 350z. 3 very similar sports cars by "one" company. The next rx7 will be naturally aspirated with a rather high compression ratio because of direct injection. Gas mileage and emissions will be increased greatly. I also see it maybe possible for a n/a 20b to be the engine of choice, this is mostly depending on how much better the gas mileage could be with direct injection. Naturaly aspirated rotaries are amazingly reliable, and I dont want to hear people start rotary bashing because almost none of you know what you are talking about.

now who is going to get in on this with me? Who else is going to go on the rx7 forum from here and educate, then link to this thread after we get it going better?

"discuss" (thats for a chances are rotary hating Texan on here.)

i know what im talking about

i actually work on them, and y'all are right about how the n/a lasts a lot longer... but the main reason why the turbos do not last (and some rotaries for example) is the apex seals, they just can't hold out that long, they get too much wear and lose compression in turn making it run worse and worse... causing more and more wear... but i still wouldn't want an RX7 too bad, they are fucking gas hogs... they have 850cc secondaries STOCK... i don't have anything against them though. Most people who buy them are very loyal to them, they sell it, then buy another, or keep theirs forever... they stay in the community i guess you'd say...

*NismoS13* · 08-05-2005, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Project D

^^^^How would that be a waste? WOuldn't the car be daily driveable then? No more "rotary magic" but far less maintenance.

Aznpoopy is once again correct with his quote directed at you.

The 13B engine has developed a reputation for being high maintenance and so forth. Four of my best friends all have FD's (hence my member name SurroundedbySe7ens on the Rx-7 Club) and I've seen first hand what they're all about. I still believe dropping a KA engine in the car would be a dumb idea...

-Adam

***S14DB*** · 08-05-2005, 11:22 AM

Everyone knows you can't drift with the ka...

420sx · 08-05-2005, 11:45 AM

well you should get SR then.... since we all know SR makes you drift better....... yea....ummm.......

Var · 08-05-2005, 11:49 AM

Right..that's why we're starting the big banker's club @ altamont. So far 4 SOHC Ka's have been able to pull 3rd gear drifts around the entire big banking of a 1/2 mile oval @ a 15º bank. (Ok i cheated mine was in the rain)

wootwoot · 08-05-2005, 11:52 AM

The only engines Ive seen apex seals go out on in n/a form were in the 130k+ range or abused terribly. Heat and detonation are a rotaries enemy, if you experience much of either you are done. the 850cc(2 of em) secondaries make it sound worse than it is since when those fire, they fire only. They also only come in under power (for those who dont know) and the stock primaries are 550's I believe. That would make it have 286cc injectors if it was the comparable 6 cylinder which rotaries are always contrasted with. They do still get bad gas mileage, I just thought you made it sound worse than it is =P

infinitexsound · 08-05-2005, 05:05 PM

im with var saw it with my own eyes... it was dope............. the last run that sonnie did he pitched it at the entrance...... very incredible skills....+1 for sonnie,george,xander

Kaneto · 08-05-2005, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

The only engines Ive seen apex seals go out on in n/a form were in the 130k+ range or abused terribly. Heat and detonation are a rotaries enemy, if you experience much of either you are done. the 850cc(2 of em) secondaries make it sound worse than it is since when those fire, they fire only. They also only come in under power (for those who dont know) and the stock primaries are 550's I believe. That would make it have 286cc injectors if it was the comparable 6 cylinder which rotaries are always contrasted with. They do still get bad gas mileage, I just thought you made it sound worse than it is =P

Pretty close. The RX-7 actually has 550 primaries and 850 secondaries. That's only the third gen, as well... of which all are turbo. The second gen turbo has 550cc injectors for both the primaries and secondarys, while the non-turbo have 460cc injectors for both. First gens use 680cc injectors for both.

Non-turbo rotaries can be very reliable when properly taken care of. The problem is the average owner can't be bothered to check their oil levels or deal with cooling problems, and they kill their motors with neglect. Piston engines are much more resiliant when it comes to neglect that rotaries. I currently have a 87 non-turbo with 140k miles on it that still has great compression and has never been rebuilt. Of course, I also own a 88 turbo that blew up on me a few hundred miles after I bought it.

There have been a few rotaries that have recorded a quarter million miles and more.

All that said, I'm currently looking at picking up a 240 and going ka-t, because while a non-turbo rotary can be reliable at close to stock power levels... there's no way to maintain that reliability when you start making any real power. There's not a lot of building that can be done, and that build will only do so much.

That.... and if you really want to talk about having no torque, drive a rotary. I'm tired of having to rev it like I'm racing to get a decent start from a stop light.

08-04-2005, 11:13 AM	#1
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 39 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Very interesting thread... http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...7&page=1&pp=15 i guess SR vs KA-T is becoming a more widely discussed platform __________________ 89 240 SR powered... ummm i promise its stock

08-04-2005, 12:07 PM	#3
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08-04-2005, 12:36 PM	#4
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08-04-2005, 02:58 PM	#8
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08-04-2005, 11:33 AM	#2
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08-04-2005, 01:29 PM	#6
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08-04-2005, 03:25 PM	#13
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08-04-2005, 04:23 PM	#15
raen419 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Jasper, AL Age: 42 Posts: 253 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hahaha that was a dumb. i had a similar discussion w/ a bunch of civic guys on what a "S13" was. they tried to tell me since i don't drive a coupe, it's not a s13.... LAME ARGUEMENT. then they got mad when i said i wanted one of their cars for a daily driver.

08-04-2005, 04:26 PM	#16
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08-04-2005, 07:30 PM	#17
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08-05-2005, 12:12 AM	#18
Project D Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Junction, CO Age: 40 Posts: 179 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^^How would that be a waste? WOuldn't the car be daily driveable then? No more "rotary magic" but far less maintenance.

08-05-2005, 12:45 AM	#19
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Rotary engine debate time. I suspect since Mazda has been messing around with direct injection in their piston engines, they are attempting to branch off with this into their rotaries. I think this is half the reason Mazda is delaying the current rx7 which could be made by Mazda very easily noting most parts would come off of the rx8. I also do not agree with that there is no room for a 7 and 8 at the same time noting that Inifiniti offers the g35 coupe/sedan and Nissan with the 350z. 3 very similar sports cars by "one" company. The next rx7 will be naturally aspirated with a rather high compression ratio because of direct injection. Gas mileage and emissions will be increased greatly. I also see it maybe possible for a n/a 20b to be the engine of choice, this is mostly depending on how much better the gas mileage could be with direct injection. Naturaly aspirated rotaries are amazingly reliable, and I dont want to hear people start rotary bashing because almost none of you know what you are talking about. now who is going to get in on this with me? Who else is going to go on the rx7 forum from here and educate, then link to this thread after we get it going better? "discuss" (thats for a chances are rotary hating Texan on here.) __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-05-2005, 01:03 AM	#20
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 39 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	that made my head hurt. STupid people! Lets swap Carb engines into our cars. They are UBER efficient.

08-05-2005, 02:45 AM	#22
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 42 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	6 rotors OMFGWTF!?!??!?!?!?! u know how many HP that is capable of? i wanna see it happen...aznpoopy laid the smack down buahahhhaha +1 for aznpoopy and zilvia __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

08-05-2005, 11:22 AM	#25
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08-05-2005, 11:45 AM	#26
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well you should get SR then.... since we all know SR makes you drift better....... yea....ummm....... __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

08-05-2005, 11:49 AM	#27
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Right..that's why we're starting the big banker's club @ altamont. So far 4 SOHC Ka's have been able to pull 3rd gear drifts around the entire big banking of a 1/2 mile oval @ a 15º bank. (Ok i cheated mine was in the rain) __________________ Hi

08-05-2005, 11:52 AM	#28
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The only engines Ive seen apex seals go out on in n/a form were in the 130k+ range or abused terribly. Heat and detonation are a rotaries enemy, if you experience much of either you are done. the 850cc(2 of em) secondaries make it sound worse than it is since when those fire, they fire only. They also only come in under power (for those who dont know) and the stock primaries are 550's I believe. That would make it have 286cc injectors if it was the comparable 6 cylinder which rotaries are always contrasted with. They do still get bad gas mileage, I just thought you made it sound worse than it is =P __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-05-2005, 05:05 PM	#29
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 42 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im with var saw it with my own eyes... it was dope............. the last run that sonnie did he pitched it at the entrance...... very incredible skills....+1 for sonnie,george,xander __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...