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MakotoS13 · 02-12-2005, 05:25 PM

okay, we all know that while the engine choices for our cars are plentiful thehigh powered NA variety remains untapped. after seeing an LS1 powered 240 that gained LESS weight than an RB swapped machine i started thinking:

-ford's 302 is lighter and smaller than chevy's small block

-chevy's LS1 is lighter than the RB

-300 ft lbs tq is hard to argue with

-5.0's are more plentiful than KA's and especially SR's and even more so RB's

so here i am, on the fence trying to find information on a 302 swapped S13 that has to exist somewhere. custom motor mounts, tranny mount, oil pan, driveshaft.. whatever. i want dependable torquey NA power and short of finding a totalled/drivetrian intact Z33 it isn't gonna happen with a nissan powerplant.

after searching for days i can't find any 302 powered S13's.... anybody know anything? somebody else has to want some good ole pushrod V8 happiness... anybody?

*HaLo* · 02-12-2005, 05:28 PM

I knew someone in Quebec City that swapped a LS1 in a 240sx. Never heard how it turned out though.

I am surprised about the weight... I never was a big fan of the RB sway. I always thought the extra 2 cylinders in the front would unbalance the car too much.

nismo2491 · 02-12-2005, 05:52 PM

there's a guy down my way that has a mid 11's s13 fastback w/ a blown 350.
KEvin

Var · 02-12-2005, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

-ford's 302 is lighter and smaller than chevy's small block

-chevy's LS1 is lighter than the RB

this confused me...is the 302 in full trim (with aluminum heads) lighter than the Ls1 in full trim?

wootwoot · 02-12-2005, 05:58 PM

That was impressive until I heard blown. If you drop a 350 in s13 and STILL need to give it some F/I help thats just poopy. My search continues for the elusive import V8. To bad ohc engines take up so much space. Engine of choice for me if I liked the big boy v8's would be the LS1. I dont even know where to start with looking for a smaller displacement v8, its such a bitch ya know. MAKOTO!! We WILL have our v8 powered cars some day!! Viva La Revolution!

**Phlip** · 02-12-2005, 06:32 PM

wootwoot, if I am not mistaken, OHV engines are physically wider than are OHC engines...

MakotoS13 · 02-12-2005, 06:50 PM

i just found this:

that fuggin V8 takes up about as much space as my stupid sohc...

Var · 02-12-2005, 07:00 PM

phlip...OHC engines are wider . they have wider heads cause there are more parts that need to fit in them

thx247 · 02-12-2005, 07:17 PM

(D)OHC is not going to work in the S13, and to date I have not heard about any 302 swap.

/Edit, Typo.

**Phlip** · 02-12-2005, 07:30 PM

And do you care to tell why, with any amount of fabrication that will HAVE to take place with such a swap, that a 302 (or any OHC engine) would not fit in Doug's S13, ESPECIALLY with one pictured just 2 posts above your own?

atom · 02-12-2005, 08:21 PM

OHC is old news, someone (I even think it was posted here) did a 1UZ swap and I've seen pics of a vh41de in a S13 (both were done by Aussies IIRC, LOL). Too bad those engines are heavy as hell compared to a LS1.

MakotoS13 · 02-12-2005, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom

OHC is old news, someone (I even think it was posted here) did a 1UZ swap and I've seen pics of a vh41de in a S13 (both were done by Aussies IIRC, LOL). Too bad those engines are heavy as hell compared to a LS1.

i'd take an 302 before some ricer wet dream homo errotic 2Jz any day of the week.

90RS13 · 02-12-2005, 08:29 PM

I was wondering when you would start a thread about this. You've talked about it a couple times before. On OHC engines, lookin at the pic I see plenty of room still. I could easily see a modular fitting in there. Also, didn't someone post, not too long ago a S13 with a toyota OHC engine?

*HaLo* · 02-12-2005, 08:29 PM

Makoto, the 1UZ it the Toyota V8 like in the SC400... not the Supra Engine.

wootwoot · 02-12-2005, 08:51 PM

Thats the motor I have been most considering if I was to get rid of the sr20.
This makes me giggly
This is marine related but take it

Now I just wish I could find some more info to share =(
Not to many people actually tune these I suppose.

I'm going to go research the 3uz-fe a bit which is what most of the teams using the Supra have as their engine for the GT500 class. If you are interested for more information after that junk I can post it up. If not i'll just shush and leave you gentlemen to your push rods and sohc's =P

***S14DB*** · 02-12-2005, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

Thats the motor I have been most considering if I was to get rid of the sr20.
This makes me giggly
This is marine related but take it

Now I just wish I could find some more info to share =(
Not to many people actually tune these I suppose.

I'm going to go research the 3uz-fe a bit which is what most of the teams using the Supra have as their engine for the GT500 class. If you are interested for more information after that junk I can post it up. If not i'll just shush and leave you gentlemen to your push rods and sohc's =P

There is a hot rod shop that makes a compelete install kit for this in '32 Fords. Don't have the info off hand.

Having worked on the 302 I can say it's a SMALL motor. I was not suprised how well it fit. Now you just have to stroke it out to 347 and add a blower for some madness.

MakotoS13 · 02-12-2005, 09:14 PM

crap, i figured he just made a typo so i autoputmyfootinmymouth.

anybody have any info on whether or not Power steering and AC can be retained?

wootwoot · 02-12-2005, 09:46 PM

2uz seems to be almost identical to the 1Z but slightly larger in displacement and newer. The goal of the engine was to provide thicker torque than in its predecssor

***S14DB*** · 02-12-2005, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

crap, i figured he just made a typo so i autoputmyfootinmymouth.

anybody have any info on whether or not Power steering and AC can be retained?

Well, it's not hooked up in that shot you posted.

**Phlip** · 02-12-2005, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

Having worked on the 302 I can say it's a SMALL motor. I was not suprised how well it fit. Now you just have to stroke it out to 347 and add a blower for some madness.

And there is a cat that works with me with that 347 and a Vortech S-Trim that recently dyno's well north of 600 horses

TiNMAN · 02-12-2005, 10:35 PM

this is what my google search came up with, http://www.drifting.com/forums/archi...p/t-10642.html yea, its from the boys from drifting.com, its a VH41DE

G_Fish240 · 02-12-2005, 10:50 PM

Makoto what do you plan on doing with your car(what type of events)?

MakotoS13 · 02-12-2005, 10:54 PM

events? events are for homos. i plan on driving the hell out of my car. i dont need to be a mad tyte drifta or autox all star. i love driving to drive, not win awards.

TokyoNights · 02-12-2005, 10:56 PM

Just buy a fuckin mustang if you want a 5.0 so bad
but I guess crossbreeding is popular in texas
Homo errotic 2jz? haha have fun with your dinosaur pushrod

***S14DB*** · 02-12-2005, 10:58 PM

Mustangs are overweight sloppy pigs.

TokyoNights · 02-12-2005, 11:00 PM

And that red 5.0 coupe, the guy is on 240sxforums, he posted vids and everything
If a v8 was going in my car it would be the powertec made from 2 hayabusa engines.. 383hp at 10,000rpm

Ian · 02-12-2005, 11:03 PM

there's a burgundy LS1 S14 in houston

look up Aries on NICOclub.com

MakotoS13 · 02-12-2005, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TokyoNights

Just buy a fuckin mustang if you want a 5.0 so bad
but I guess crossbreeding is popular in texas
Homo errotic 2jz? haha have fun with your dinosaur pushrod

dinosaur pushrods have been kicking the piss out of supercars for the last fifty years, chuckles. have fun with your denial.

i like my 240, its the most fun car i've ever driven. i'm just trying to find the right engine for my purposes because despite the JDM craze and what not i don't see the motor i want readily available.

TokyoNights · 02-12-2005, 11:27 PM

denial...I make more hp than the average small block and do twice the mpg

MakotoS13 · 02-12-2005, 11:41 PM

yeah, bragging about peak power is what the average ricer would do...

so how much torque are you makin at 1500 rpms?

02-12-2005, 05:25 PM	#1
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Blasphemodification okay, we all know that while the engine choices for our cars are plentiful thehigh powered NA variety remains untapped. after seeing an LS1 powered 240 that gained LESS weight than an RB swapped machine i started thinking: -ford's 302 is lighter and smaller than chevy's small block -chevy's LS1 is lighter than the RB -300 ft lbs tq is hard to argue with -5.0's are more plentiful than KA's and especially SR's and even more so RB's so here i am, on the fence trying to find information on a 302 swapped S13 that has to exist somewhere. custom motor mounts, tranny mount, oil pan, driveshaft.. whatever. i want dependable torquey NA power and short of finding a totalled/drivetrian intact Z33 it isn't gonna happen with a nissan powerplant. after searching for days i can't find any 302 powered S13's.... anybody know anything? somebody else has to want some good ole pushrod V8 happiness... anybody?

02-12-2005, 05:28 PM	#2
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 46 Posts: 5,201 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I knew someone in Quebec City that swapped a LS1 in a 240sx. Never heard how it turned out though. I am surprised about the weight... I never was a big fan of the RB sway. I always thought the extra 2 cylinders in the front would unbalance the car too much. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Drivers: '23 Audi Q4 e-tron & '13 VW Touareg SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-12-2005, 05:52 PM	#3
nismo2491 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southern MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,373 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	there's a guy down my way that has a mid 11's s13 fastback w/ a blown 350. KEvin __________________ To quote the great Ron White: if life gives you lemons, make lemonade. and try to find somebody who's life gave them vodka, and have a party

02-12-2005, 06:32 PM	#6
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,980 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	wootwoot, if I am not mistaken, OHV engines are physically wider than are OHC engines... __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

02-12-2005, 07:00 PM	#8
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	phlip...OHC engines are wider . they have wider heads cause there are more parts that need to fit in them __________________ Hi

02-12-2005, 05:58 PM	#5
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That was impressive until I heard blown. If you drop a 350 in s13 and STILL need to give it some F/I help thats just poopy. My search continues for the elusive import V8. To bad ohc engines take up so much space. Engine of choice for me if I liked the big boy v8's would be the LS1. I dont even know where to start with looking for a smaller displacement v8, its such a bitch ya know. MAKOTO!! We WILL have our v8 powered cars some day!! Viva La Revolution!

02-12-2005, 06:50 PM	#7
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i just found this: that fuggin V8 takes up about as much space as my stupid sohc...

02-12-2005, 07:17 PM	#9
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	(D)OHC is not going to work in the S13, and to date I have not heard about any 302 swap. /Edit, Typo. __________________ Finally down to 1 car again. Thank god. Last edited by thx247; 02-13-2005 at 03:09 PM..

02-12-2005, 07:30 PM	#10
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,980 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	And do you care to tell why, with any amount of fabrication that will HAVE to take place with such a swap, that a 302 (or any OHC engine) would not fit in Doug's S13, ESPECIALLY with one pictured just 2 posts above your own? __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

02-12-2005, 08:21 PM	#11
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	OHC is old news, someone (I even think it was posted here) did a 1UZ swap and I've seen pics of a vh41de in a S13 (both were done by Aussies IIRC, LOL). Too bad those engines are heavy as hell compared to a LS1.

02-12-2005, 08:29 PM	#13
90RS13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Newark, Arkansas Age: 41 Posts: 348 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I was wondering when you would start a thread about this. You've talked about it a couple times before. On OHC engines, lookin at the pic I see plenty of room still. I could easily see a modular fitting in there. Also, didn't someone post, not too long ago a S13 with a toyota OHC engine? __________________

02-12-2005, 08:51 PM	#15
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thats the motor I have been most considering if I was to get rid of the sr20. This makes me giggly This is marine related but take it Now I just wish I could find some more info to share =( Not to many people actually tune these I suppose. I'm going to go research the 3uz-fe a bit which is what most of the teams using the Supra have as their engine for the GT500 class. If you are interested for more information after that junk I can post it up. If not i'll just shush and leave you gentlemen to your push rods and sohc's =P

02-12-2005, 09:14 PM	#17
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	crap, i figured he just made a typo so i autoputmyfootinmymouth. anybody have any info on whether or not Power steering and AC can be retained?

02-12-2005, 09:46 PM	#18
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	2uz seems to be almost identical to the 1Z but slightly larger in displacement and newer. The goal of the engine was to provide thicker torque than in its predecssor

02-12-2005, 10:35 PM	#21
TiNMAN Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NorCal, East Bay Favorite Color: Green Age: 39 Posts: 3,940 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	this is what my google search came up with, http://www.drifting.com/forums/archi...p/t-10642.html yea, its from the boys from drifting.com, its a VH41DE __________________ I AM LEGIT.

02-12-2005, 10:50 PM	#22
G_Fish240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sacramento Age: 39 Posts: 634 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Makoto what do you plan on doing with your car(what type of events)? __________________ Sacramento touge and drift MakotoS13: Spreading BS and being an ass on zilvia since June 2004

02-12-2005, 10:54 PM	#23
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	events? events are for homos. i plan on driving the hell out of my car. i dont need to be a mad tyte drifta or autox all star. i love driving to drive, not win awards.

02-12-2005, 10:56 PM	#24
TokyoNights Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: garage Age: 42 Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: TokyoNights Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Just buy a fuckin mustang if you want a 5.0 so bad but I guess crossbreeding is popular in texas Homo errotic 2jz? haha have fun with your dinosaur pushrod

02-12-2005, 10:58 PM	#25
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Mustangs are overweight sloppy pigs.

02-12-2005, 11:00 PM	#26
TokyoNights Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: garage Age: 42 Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: TokyoNights Feedback Score: 2 reviews	And that red 5.0 coupe, the guy is on 240sxforums, he posted vids and everything If a v8 was going in my car it would be the powertec made from 2 hayabusa engines.. 383hp at 10,000rpm

02-12-2005, 11:27 PM	#29
TokyoNights Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: garage Age: 42 Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: TokyoNights Feedback Score: 2 reviews	denial...I make more hp than the average small block and do twice the mpg

02-12-2005, 11:41 PM	#30
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah, bragging about peak power is what the average ricer would do... so how much torque are you makin at 1500 rpms?