Black top s13 sr20 into an s13 chasis

[si2die4]

All right, this is my first nissan swap and I am runing into some trouble with the WIRING. Any help is greatly appricated. This is an 98 black top s13 sr20det going into an s13 chasis. I have used heavythrottle for most of my sr Q's but the wiring is still a mess! And yes I have searched!
These are the wires and clips I have that need to be changed.
The gray plug behind batt>>
SR harness has these wires:
red
blk/wht
blk/y
y/grn
blk
blu/red
blue/y
blk/red

Ka has these:
red
blk/wht
grn/y
blu/grn
grn/blu
orn/blu
blk/red

The brown plug:
sr harness has these wires:
blk
grn/y
lt. brn
pink/blk
grn/red
blk/red
grn/orn

the ka has these:
blk/purple
lt. brn
pink
blk/y
r/blk
grn/orn

Now under the dash the ka has a BROWN plug not a WHITE one like on the SR harness. So I know I have to use the other brown clip off the KA motor and splice it onto the sr harness. Once again not all the wires line up.
The brown ka clip wire colors are:
blk
y/grn
y/red
blu/blk
blu/grn
orn
grn/blk
grn/y
grn/wht
grn
red

The White sr clip has these colors:
3 Blk wires
wht
y/grn
y/red
blu/blk
blu/wht
orn
blu
grn/red
grn/wht
grn/blk
grn
orn/blk
red/wht

As You can see they dont exactly line up? I DONT have high speed at the moment so i cant DL the FSM. If someone could just give me the wiring pages or something that would help me out alot since I would love to get this done today. Any help would be great
Thanks

[cdlong]

that doesn't make any sense, just down load the FSM for the KA and SR and figure it out.

http://www.zeroyon.com/TheSite/techservice.html

[goodjuan]

-Ernest

i've done it the hard way and learned a lot. i'll help you out.

[si2die4]

Any One? Please

[goodjuan]

Originally Posted by goodjuan

hey my cell is 858 231 4765

-Ernest

i've done it the hard way and learned a lot. i'll help you out.

hello? all right, if you just want to get it running fine you can use these...this is what i used to put a 98 type X into my 90 coupe.

as for the brown clip...as you sure you're looking at the right clip? my dash harness plug for the sohc KA was different from the SR one for sure...but it was white and skinnier. I cut off the dash plug off the KA harness and spliced it into my SR harness... the colors they talk about on SRswap.com should all be there and work.

[si2die4]

>>>>The lower (transmission) harness will have to be modified as well, so that the reverse light and 5th gear sensor work properly.
>>>>If your S13 is a newer blacktop ('97/'98), then two additional prongs going into the ECU will have to be switched in order for the engine to fire on all four cylinders.

Were can I get more info on this?
Thanks

[si2die4]

SOme one HELP Me I could use all the help I can get! If anyone knows how I can contact luke91 on here that would be great, I think he might be able to help me??

I KNOW some people have done this so help a brother out. Please

[si2die4]

Well I got ALOT of usefull info here>> http://nissanperformancemag.com/installs/240sr/
Not really thanks to any of the 50 some odd people that looked at this post and did not help
That is besides GOODJUAN, Thanks for your help man. You did what you could.

I still have Q's about the 97's and 98's type x's that suposidly need 2 wires switched at the ecu for all cylenders to fire? And also wonder ing about the 5 gear and reverse wires?? Man where is LUKE91 ????

[TheTicTac]

Originally Posted by si2die4

Well I got ALOT of usefull info here>> http://nissanperformancemag.com/installs/240sr/
Not really thanks to any of the 50 some odd people that looked at this post and did not help
That is besides GOODJUAN, Thanks for your help man. You did what you could.

I still have Q's about the 97's and 98's type x's that suposidly need 2 wires switched at the ecu for all cylenders to fire? And also wonder ing about the 5 gear and reverse wires?? Man where is LUKE91 ????

S13 to S13 is easy, just follow that guide on nissan performance or srswap. IIRC the kouki blacktop wiring is the same as all the rest, there shouldn't be any other wiring done than what was said on the guide you found. The lower harness should all work correctly, so you don't need to swap anything from that.

Also just because you post a question on a message board doesn't mean people are obligated to help you in anyway, so don't get pissy when nobody helps.

[si2die4]

Originally Posted by TheTicTac

IIRC the kouki blacktop wiring is the same as all the rest, there shouldn't be any other wiring done than what was said on the guide you found.

You shure?

Originally Posted by TheTicTac

The lower harness should all work correctly, so you don't need to swap anything from that.

I have A Q about that. I was switching an auto to manual and the harness are way diffrent! If I use the harness off the SR, none of the clips line up and there are like 2 more on the KA auto? Could someone shead some light on this subject for me?

Thanks

Originally Posted by TheTicTac

Also just because you post a question on a message board doesn't mean people are obligated to help you in anyway, so don't get pissy when nobody helps

I just thought that more people would know about nissan's on here since its a nissan site. I actuly got more help on my main Honda site.

[TheTicTac]

I'm SURE about it, there should be nothing different, nothing major that would prevent your car from running. About your 5spd swap, here is where you should look.

Also if the honda community has been so helpful to you, I would suggest that you stay there.

[si2die4]

TheTicTac>> Thanks that is a step in the right direction.

"Also if the honda community has been so helpful to you, I would suggest that you stay there."
Ha Ha... I would suggest you suck my balls! Hows that one for Ya

[Pepperoni]

as far as the ECU stuff...just use the KA brown plug and splice the wires coming from the ECU to matching ones on the plug. There should be 6 wires, or 5 if u have no A/C. Splice one black wire, out of the three coming out from the ECU. Looks like you have no AC, so skip blue/green wire. So now just splice the remaining 5.
1 - Black
2 - blue/black
3 - Orange
4 - yellow/green
5 - yellow/red.

The rest of the wires, wrap em in electrical tape and dont worry about them.

[Pepperoni]

Originally Posted by si2die4

>>>>The lower (transmission) harness will have to be modified as well, so that the reverse light and 5th gear sensor work properly.
>>>>If your S13 is a newer blacktop ('97/'98), then two additional prongs going into the ECU will have to be switched in order for the engine to fire on all four cylinders.

Were can I get more info on this?
Thanks

IIRC, this is old info, i forget who posted this. While doing a swap i was wondering this myself. I think it meant that the lower wiring harness needs to be modified if you use the SR lower wiring harness. KA one doesnt. I dont know about these two additional prongs... i didnt do anything like that and mine is running perfectly. dont worry about it.

[TheTicTac]

Originally Posted by si2die4

TheTicTac>> Thanks that is a step in the right direction.

"Also if the honda community has been so helpful to you, I would suggest that you stay there."
Ha Ha... I would suggest you suck my balls! Hows that one for Ya

Damn that was a witty comeback If I were you I wouldn't waste time typing, you might miss the bandwagon.

[si2die4]

Originally Posted by Pepperoni

Looks like you have no AC, so skip blue/green wire.

It seems that way huh? Well that is one of my problems. The car dose have ac?? and the sr also cam with ac! Let me explain now what I have

At the ECU I have all these hooked up correctly and the others taped up.
1 - Black to Black
2 - blue/black to blue/black
3 - Orange to orange
4 - yellow/green to yellow/green
5 - yellow/red to yellow/red
The problem here is there is no blue/green striped wire on my harness. What else could it be?? The only other wires that go to engine are white and blue/white?? There are more that go to ecu but im not sure if this wire is supposed to come from ecu or engine??

Now problem #2:>>> On my GRAY clip I have:
1 - Black/Red to Black/red AND Blue/red
2 - Red to red
3 - Black to black
4 - green/yellow to green/yellow (from brown clip)
5 - BLUE/GREEN(ka clip) to NOTHING!! Once again there is no wire for AC?? May lose wire options (on SR gray clip) are:
Black (Not it)
Blue/yellow
yellow/green (a larger wire that goes directly to stock SR A/C compressor) This wire is ran through the sr harness from over by MAF and PS wires.
I could run one on my own but from were to were?

Problem #3:>>> On my BROWN clip I have:
1 - Brown to brown
2 - green/orange to green/orange
3 - black/yellow to black/yellow (from gray clip)
4 - Red/black to ??
5 - Black/Pink(really purple) to ??
>>>>>>For the last 2 wires I have options:
>>> A pinkish red wire with a black stripe (its pretty much completely pink/blk)
this was my GUESS for the fuel pump (Black/pink(really purple))BUT NOT SURE
and
>>> A Black wire with a definitive RED stripe
my GUESS for the ECU relay (red/blk) BUT NOT SURE
>there is also a Black wire and a green/red wire. I don’t think its them
BUT NOT SURE!

Problem #4:>>> Tranny Harness
-I have the big trany wires connected to complete starter circuit.
-I have the Reverse sensor wires (purple and green/white) spliced up to the larger Black and Green wires (on A/T harness side) plugged into the larger gray clip by relays.
-I have the speed sensor (yellow/blue and yellow/black), the Yellow (or yellow/white) oil press sender wire, and the white/red alternator wire all connected to the small 4 wire clip on the stock KA front harness wired up to the exact same colors.
Q::: I have about the speed sensor is that if the sr speedo is in KPH and were using an MPH cluster, is there a MPH speedo that will work in the SR trany? The Ka one doesn’t fit!
-This leaves me with 1 wire left on the Sr tyranny harness and that is the green/orange wire for the NEUTRAL POSITION SWITCH. Were does it go??
I have read that it needs to be ran on its own? If so, to witch pin/color on the 98 sr20det type X BLACK TOP ecu?? I have also read of people not hooking it up?? What is the smart/right/better way??
I believe this is all I need to do. Do I have to do any thing with the Automatic Speed Control Device (ASCD) Clutch Cancel Switch? Info HERE That site's wiring is for an s14 I believe witch doesn’t give me the wire pin/colors.

Thanks so much for even reading all this. Any help is Appreciated
Thanks Again

Originally Posted by TheTicTac

Damn that was a witty comeback If I were you I wouldn't waste time typing, you might miss the bandwagon.

What bandwagon would that be? And if your talking about going from Honda to Nissan....HA, SLIM CHANCE. I am doing this swap for my best friend not myself. I still rock all 4 of my Honda’s all day

[Kid Zelda]

HAHAH, I love reading this shit, the simple turns to complex.

Oh-me-oh-my. ... where be de extra wire be going 2 ... hmm .. like how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop.. the world may never know... fer realz

EDIT:

BTW, is this you ?

hope not

[si2die4]

Kid Zelda>>>> UH..No that is not what my soder conections look like.
I am not sure how that is suposted to help me? Oh wait it dosent! I thought this was a tec fourm not a place for a retard with a keyboard to post stupit shit like this!

I am still open to any help ANYONE may have to offer.
Thanks

[Kid Zelda]

hahaha ... you must earn the wings before you drop the shit from above

keep me post as to when you grasp something mature to sit and soak about Mr... then I'll consider helping out your wire.


Oh what the heck, I'll help a little

The dash plug is EAZY E


The dash side - match all colors that you find. And if you want to hook up the check engine light, it's the orange/black(sr) mated to the red(ka).
You'll have some wires with no mate, dont stress, leave them alone, just wrap them up.



hope this helps .. might post more .. maybe

[Kid Zelda]

BTW, you shouldn't need to rewire anything on the tranny harness.
Stock KA 5 spd harness will work w/o doing anything to it

EDIT: Except for slightly enlarging the ground wire hole that goes to the ALT, use a dremel. iirc

[si2die4]

Originally Posted by Kid Zelda

BTW, you shouldn't need to rewire anything on the tranny harness.
Stock KA 5 spd harness will work w/o doing anything to it

There was an auto trans in there.
Everything I have mentioned in the post above has ALREADY been done.
Just the four problems are what I have as of now.
I have pics of the wire colors if nessary. There not yet hosted.
Thanks for your help. More would be nice.

[TheTicTac]

Originally Posted by si2die4

What bandwagon would that be? And if your talking about going from honda to nissan....HA, SLIM CHANCE. I am doing this swap for my best friend not myself. I still rock all 4 of my honda's all day long and I could proly take your car in the 1320 in 2 of em. And if you auto--x, Im down wit that 2. I have no idea what you drive but if it cant cut 12.50's (street tires)in the 1320 than Il see you at the finish line. Peace

Well sheiiiit!! If I wanted to go fast in a straight line, I sure as hell wouldn't drive a 240sx. What does it matter if I can hit 12.50 or whatever on the 1/4, it doesn't, what matters is that I can install a sr into a 240 and not have to ask anyone.

[si2die4]

Originally Posted by TheTicTac

what matters is that I can install a sr into a 240 and not have to ask anyone.

Good for you, Unfortunately I cant
Why dont you give me some help

if it cant cut 12.50's (street tires)in the 1320 than Il see you at the finish line. Peace

Shameless Plug

[si2die4]

Originally Posted by si2die4

Thanks for your help. More would be nice.

Could any one help me out with my wire problem? Is, for some unknown reason, this sr20(98 typeX) different from everyone else’s (98X)? I don’t see how

Thanks for all the help.

[Kid Zelda]

Oh, do you have a 96.5-98 180sx motor ?

the wiring is a little different ( not much)

[si2die4]

Originally Posted by Kid Zelda

Oh, do you have a 96.5-98 180sx motor ?

the wiring is a little different (not much)

Yes I Do, and I know some other people do to. I just need to clearfy these colors. Someone Please Please Please Help Me

Quick Q: Can I use the MPH speed sensor off a manual Ka motor on the SR?

[Kid Zelda]

Quick answer

Yes, please please do use the VSS (vehicle speed sensor) from the KA, and swap into the SR trans to get the proper reading on the speedo

[si2die4]

Originally Posted by Kid Zelda

Quick answer
Yes, please please do use the VSS (vehicle speed sensor) from the KA, and swap into the SR trans to get the proper reading on the speedo

Thanks I will get an sr manual speedo fron nissan.

:EDIT:Nissan told me that the manual and auto speed sensors are the same on the KA. The KA auto speedo I have will NOT work on the SR I have!
I really could use some help on the four problems I have above. Could you \
help me?............. Please

[Chite]

Wouldnt a newer guages mork like off of a 91 240sx and up?

[the head]

when I did my sr (98 s13 sr to 89 240 with auto to manual) I jsut hooked up the entire lower harness from my manual SR clip the plugs without mates are for the auto control box I also used the SR speed sensor (also using SR cluter tho) from prior research I think the sensor in the sr trans may cause it to read off a little but not much otherwise you would not have to recalibrate the km/h speedo to make it display miles (180 mph speedo conversion thread on fresh alloy)

are you keeping A/C on this car or not?