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neverdone · 05-01-2005, 01:34 PM

I know that the toe arms on the rear of a s13 are adjustable, but at what amount of droppage do you surpass the stock adjustablity and have to buy new toe arms?

blu808 · 05-01-2005, 02:09 PM

If your car is dropped to a point where it looks good, then you have gone beyond the stock bolts adj possibilitys.

Anything lowered more than 1.5 inches or so

remember.

0 toe in the rear
1/4'' toe out in the front

Dousan_PG · 05-01-2005, 02:11 PM

toe in in rear
more stability and grip

but those settings are all preference haha

not one of those threads

what blue 808 said
also makes the car more solid feel. less slop and changing.and you get that PRECISE adjustablity which can be hard to get at times w/ eccentric bolts.

***S14DB*** · 05-01-2005, 04:04 PM

I've had my S14 down to 2" and still had 0 toe on stock rods.

Chernobyl · 05-01-2005, 04:37 PM

Toe and camber are not really adjustable seperately with stock parts. They are.. but read on...

What I mean is, you can drop it a bunch and still get your toe settings right as long as you're OK with running tons of camber. And vice-versa, you can only get your camber back to about 0 if you are willing to run major toe-out. There is of course a limit where you wont get factory settings back no matter what you do.. but you'd have to be VERY low.

Adjustable toe and upper control arms are always a good bet though. Then you don't have to worry.

neverdone · 05-01-2005, 07:13 PM

Hmm, that makes me think if, up to a limit, both of toe and camber are inverses of each other, would it be possible to keep good toe and run massive camber. Then get rucas to fix that camber? Or will this not work?

***S14DB*** · 05-01-2005, 07:39 PM

Get RUCA's to fix the Camber. Toe should be fine after that(fixable with stock rods).

98sr20ve · 05-01-2005, 08:12 PM

1.5 inch drop and I could not get the toe I wanted with the Camber I wanted using stock pieces. I wanted about 1.5 camber and zero toe. This is on a S13

Flybert · 05-01-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blu808

If your car is dropped to a point where it looks good, then you have gone beyond the stock bolts adj possibilitys.

Anything lowered more than 1.5 inches or so

I have fully lowered N1 PRO's tucking a little bit of tire in the rear and when my friend and I did my alignment with the laser equipment at Just Tires, we were able to get it to 0 toe with the stock arms and eccentric bolts. I always thought that it was impossible to zero it out but it did. It is the reason why I have put off buying rear toe arms for so long. This car has never been wrecked or seen any curbs either.

neverdone · 05-02-2005, 02:26 PM

flybert - were those eccentric bolts on the toes arms or the rucas?

It appears that toe can be corrected with the stock equipment, as long as you have rucas. That brings up a question then - why replace the stock toe arms then?

**ThatGuy** · 05-02-2005, 02:31 PM

Because they get worn out.

WongFeiHung · 05-02-2005, 02:46 PM

Ride height doesnt have anything to do with it directly. When your camber goes negative it will toe in. If you have alot of negative camber you may not be able to get your toe to zero with stock toe arms.

Flybert · 05-02-2005, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverdone

flybert - were those eccentric bolts on the toes arms or the rucas?

It appears that toe can be corrected with the stock equipment, as long as you have rucas. That brings up a question then - why replace the stock toe arms then?

I zeroed out the toe using the eccentric bolts on the toe arms of course.

As for my camber settings, I run -2.4 degrees of camber in the rear with SPL RUCAs. I'd love to have toe arms in the rear for the helm joints and for the ease of adjustability. Eventually I plan on replacing every damn rubber bushing arm on my car with that of one that has helm joints.

neverdone · 05-02-2005, 07:46 PM

WongFeiHung you are saying then when camber is bad toe is bad, and vise versa

Chernobyl you are saying that they are inverses of each

which is it?

Also, if you can in fact get the camber you want, and use the stock or eccentricbolts to adjsut toe within reason, then why do you need toe arms for adjustabilty? Isn't their purpose (other then the joints), to allow you to adjust them so that your toe is set at zero? If you can do that with what you already have the nwhy buy them for adjustability? sorry if im coming off like an jerk, im just confused

Ian · 05-02-2005, 07:57 PM

more accurate adjustment, eccentric bolts, as stated before tend to be less precise as well as since it's just thread holding it in place, it can wiggle out of adjustment and/or break.

Flybert · 05-02-2005, 08:43 PM

Adjusting eccentric bolts is a bitch. You have to be insanely steady when tightening them down or you throw off your alignment really easily. This is very noticeable when you are using laser alignment equipment.

WongFeiHung · 05-03-2005, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverdone

WongFeiHung you are saying then when camber is bad toe is bad, and vise versa

Chernobyl you are saying that they are inverses of each

which is it?

Also, if you can in fact get the camber you want, and use the stock or eccentricbolts to adjsut toe within reason, then why do you need toe arms for adjustabilty? Isn't their purpose (other then the joints), to allow you to adjust them so that your toe is set at zero? If you can do that with what you already have the nwhy buy them for adjustability? sorry if im coming off like an jerk, im just confused

What I mean is camber affects toe and vice versa.

Toe arms give you more adjustability and eliminate rubber bushings for less slop...and they look cool.

neverdone · 05-03-2005, 02:06 PM

good toe bars sound like a great upgrade, there are good reason to buy them, but for a 2" to 2.5" inch drop will they be nesscary if I already have rucas? ANd is it nessesary to have my toe set 0 perfectly?

DoriftoSlut · 05-03-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Because they get worn out.

Yeah,especially while driftng, the side-load forces put strain on your bushings (all of them) and in addition, can make those ecentric bolts turn. Making every mounting joint solid and keeping the adjustment linear (screw-type adjustment of length) will be less apt to change with the forces caused by severe slip angles (drifting). Even though your toe can be set to 0 with stock arms, its 8,000,000% more likely to change after a couple of months of drifting.

neverdone · 05-03-2005, 07:26 PM

I see - athough it is possible to return toe to 0 with the stock adjustment, a decent drop, and rucas, - it is a good idea to get the toe bars just for reassurance. A large drop in the front with camber correction does not affect front toe settings. Is these true?

DoriftoSlut · 05-03-2005, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverdone

I see - athough it is possible to return toe to 0 with the stock adjustment, a decent drop, and rucas, - it is a good idea to get the toe bars just for reassurance. A large drop in the front with camber correction does not affect front toe settings. Is these true?

It does. Adjust your tie rods.

05-01-2005, 01:34 PM	#1
neverdone Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chicago Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	toe question I know that the toe arms on the rear of a s13 are adjustable, but at what amount of droppage do you surpass the stock adjustablity and have to buy new toe arms?

05-01-2005, 02:11 PM	#3
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	toe in in rear more stability and grip but those settings are all preference haha not one of those threads what blue 808 said also makes the car more solid feel. less slop and changing.and you get that PRECISE adjustablity which can be hard to get at times w/ eccentric bolts. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

05-02-2005, 02:31 PM	#11
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 45 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Because they get worn out. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

05-02-2005, 02:46 PM	#12
WongFeiHung Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 221 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ride height doesnt have anything to do with it directly. When your camber goes negative it will toe in. If you have alot of negative camber you may not be able to get your toe to zero with stock toe arms. __________________ www.projectnissan.com

05-01-2005, 02:09 PM	#2
blu808 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Campbell, Ca Age: 42 Posts: 5,010 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	If your car is dropped to a point where it looks good, then you have gone beyond the stock bolts adj possibilitys. Anything lowered more than 1.5 inches or so remember. 0 toe in the rear 1/4'' toe out in the front

05-01-2005, 04:04 PM	#4
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I've had my S14 down to 2" and still had 0 toe on stock rods.

05-01-2005, 04:37 PM	#5
Chernobyl Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Age: 42 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Toe and camber are not really adjustable seperately with stock parts. They are.. but read on... What I mean is, you can drop it a bunch and still get your toe settings right as long as you're OK with running tons of camber. And vice-versa, you can only get your camber back to about 0 if you are willing to run major toe-out. There is of course a limit where you wont get factory settings back no matter what you do.. but you'd have to be VERY low. Adjustable toe and upper control arms are always a good bet though. Then you don't have to worry.

05-01-2005, 07:13 PM	#6
neverdone Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chicago Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmm, that makes me think if, up to a limit, both of toe and camber are inverses of each other, would it be possible to keep good toe and run massive camber. Then get rucas to fix that camber? Or will this not work?

05-01-2005, 07:39 PM	#7
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Get RUCA's to fix the Camber. Toe should be fine after that(fixable with stock rods).

05-01-2005, 08:12 PM	#8
98sr20ve Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampton Posts: 156 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	1.5 inch drop and I could not get the toe I wanted with the Camber I wanted using stock pieces. I wanted about 1.5 camber and zero toe. This is on a S13

05-02-2005, 02:26 PM	#10
neverdone Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chicago Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	flybert - were those eccentric bolts on the toes arms or the rucas? It appears that toe can be corrected with the stock equipment, as long as you have rucas. That brings up a question then - why replace the stock toe arms then?

05-02-2005, 07:46 PM	#14
neverdone Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chicago Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	WongFeiHung you are saying then when camber is bad toe is bad, and vise versa Chernobyl you are saying that they are inverses of each which is it? Also, if you can in fact get the camber you want, and use the stock or eccentricbolts to adjsut toe within reason, then why do you need toe arms for adjustabilty? Isn't their purpose (other then the joints), to allow you to adjust them so that your toe is set at zero? If you can do that with what you already have the nwhy buy them for adjustability? sorry if im coming off like an jerk, im just confused

05-02-2005, 08:43 PM	#16
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Adjusting eccentric bolts is a bitch. You have to be insanely steady when tightening them down or you throw off your alignment really easily. This is very noticeable when you are using laser alignment equipment.

05-03-2005, 02:06 PM	#18
neverdone Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chicago Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	good toe bars sound like a great upgrade, there are good reason to buy them, but for a 2" to 2.5" inch drop will they be nesscary if I already have rucas? ANd is it nessesary to have my toe set 0 perfectly?

05-03-2005, 07:26 PM	#20
neverdone Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chicago Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I see - athough it is possible to return toe to 0 with the stock adjustment, a decent drop, and rucas, - it is a good idea to get the toe bars just for reassurance. A large drop in the front with camber correction does not affect front toe settings. Is these true?