everyone is talking about 240's

[hokiewalrus]

Well, what a pleasant surprise...

I clicked on this thread expecting to have to defend my boys from CSi (I had an Si for 2 years before I got my 240) but I'm glad to see intelligence and maturity won out on all sides.

The CSi thread was very intelligent with little bashing, and the same thing with this one...

There's no point in generalizing, there are hardcore people that own all types of cars and ricers that own all kinds of cars.

[matic 240sx]

well, i love how everyone thinks the 240sx sucks for drag racing..  if you are modding your car.. then its for what you are modding it for..  at a time.. i dont know if it still is.  the fastest 4cyl automatic metal body car in the 1/4 was a 97-98 style 240sx..

I think it was DA performance's car.. or turbonetics (leaning towards them)..

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 01 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, i love how everyone thinks the 240sx sucks for drag racing.. if you are modding your car.. then its for what you are modding it for.. at a time.. i dont know if it still is. the fastest 4cyl automatic metal body car in the 1/4 was a 97-98 style 240sx..

I think it was DA performance's car.. or turbonetics (leaning towards them)..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Funny how their ragging on the 240sx as a bad drag car when they drive FWD economy cars :wierd:

[Jdm_Silvia]

talk about s14 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/notify.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':notify:'>

[SR20Fastback]

What did they mean by, "On a 240sx thats exactly the rear suspension you dont want for drag racing"? (probably missed a few words) How is that EXACTLY what you dont want? Then theirs the typical "KA24 is a crappy platform" Im surprised they didnt use the its a truck motor bullshit &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

[DSC]

Well, since we are talking about clubSI











I've eaten at subway about 5 times a week for the last month and a half...and I've gotten the BMT combo with fritos and pepsi w/no ice almost every time.

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Aug. 30 2002,7:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, since we are talking about clubSI











I've eaten at subway about 5 times a week for the last month and a half...and I've gotten the BMT combo with fritos and pepsi w/no ice almost every time.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lmao..

In comic book guy (aka "The Collector!") voice:


Worst Post Ever...



(back to real voice)

Im gonna go watch star trek &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

jk

[Mtt22]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ Aug. 30 2002,9:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What did they mean by, "On a 240sx thats exactly the rear suspension you dont want for drag racing"? (probably missed a few words) How is that EXACTLY what you dont want? Then theirs the typical "KA24 is a crappy platform" Im surprised they didnt use the its a truck motor bullshit <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
he said "but the IRS in 240SX's is exactly what you DON'T want on a rear wheel drive vehicle when you're drag racing." &nbsp;and hes right, the independent rear suspension does limit the 240's ability to drag race.

[whateverjames]

i was hoping to see some 240SX bashing so we could make fun of them, but half the people were 240SX owners. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'>

Mtt22: i love the phrase about the pudding. reminds me of those confusing worded math questions on tests.

[sampson240sx]

Its funny when they make an ass of themselves talking about shit they dont understand. The only good 240sx is one with a SR20? Yeah if i was them id be pretty jealous too.........

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sampson240sx @ Aug. 29 2002,11:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Its funny when they make an ass of themselves talking about shit they dont understand. The only good 240sx is one with a SR20? Yeah if i was them id be pretty jealous too.........</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
one or two guys were defending the KA.

[tnord]

1) who gives a fuck about drag racing
2) i wish i had an Si
3) the KA does suck

[camppain]

clubsi is a dope forum im on their and ive been there more than on zilvia in the past month

[matic 240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ Aug. 30 2002,3:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 01 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, i love how everyone thinks the 240sx sucks for drag racing.. if you are modding your car.. then its for what you are modding it for.. at a time.. i dont know if it still is. the fastest 4cyl automatic metal body car in the 1/4 was a 97-98 style 240sx..

I think it was DA performance's car.. or turbonetics (leaning towards them)..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Funny how their ragging on the 240sx as a bad drag car when they drive FWD economy cars :wierd:</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lol good one.. half of them prolly have big wings too..

[matic 240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (hokiewalrus @ Aug. 30 2002,4:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, what a pleasant surprise...

I clicked on this thread expecting to have to defend my boys from CSi (I had an Si for 2 years before I got my 240) but I'm glad to see intelligence and maturity won out on all sides.

The CSi thread was very intelligent with little bashing, and the same thing with this one...

There's no point in generalizing, there are hardcore people that own all types of cars and ricers that own all kinds of cars.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yea, thats true.. the 240sx use to free from rice.. but not anymore... &nbsp;so many people have them around my area now.. mainly s13s.. and ive seen one riced s14.. i dont hate on civics or want to bash em.. but i think some people on their are not know of 240sx that well to be making comments or anything..

[98SilviaS14]

just an fyi, not a flame, but that's from the Si vs All forum which consists of almost no honda owners. most are very knowledgeable and know their shit, so i wouldn't go bashing them and their "economy cars", as a side note a majority of the posts were by people who actually do, in fact, own 240's...

[matic 240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (98SilviaS14 @ Aug. 31 2002,06:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just an fyi, not a flame, but that's from the Si vs All forum which consists of almost no honda owners. most are very knowledgeable and know their shit, so i wouldn't go bashing them and their "economy cars", as a side note a majority of the posts were by people who actually do, in fact, own 240's...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
well, thats your opinion.. i didn't think most of them knew anything about the 240sx.. &nbsp;owning a 240sx doesn't mean anything... &nbsp;ive told a 240sx owner his car was rear wheel drive.. (sad but true)

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (98SilviaS14 @ Sep. 01 2002,11:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"economy cars"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't know what they own but it's on a Civic site so I obviously assume they drive a civic and there is no way you cannot say a Civic isn't an economy car.

[Tyler Durdan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 30 2002,12:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1) who gives a fuck about drag racing
2) i wish i had an Si
3) the KA does suck</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
1.) I give a fuck about drag racing, just as well as autoxing
2.)Good for you, but no one cares
3.)The ka does not suck...

Done

[silvia S13]

Well, just went to clubsi.com and someone post "civics are garbage" and I think it's a joke, cuz he said he's got an Altima with body kit and exhaust and claim to beat any Hondas. This is what someone wrote to him:

"Your shitty nissan will kill ANY honda ANY day? you're a freaking moron. For the price of a civic, turbo, and some little nick nacks scattered around, you're up to the cost of an overpriced Altima. Altimas are nice cars, don't get me wrong, but they aren't sports cars. My next door neighbor's soccermom drives one if that says anything... "

Altimas aren't sports cars, and soccermoms drive them. True. But Civics aren't sports cars at all either. And anybody drives them, from grandma to 17 yr kids. &nbsp;Some of these people seriously think Civics are sports cars.

[adey]

... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> ... I thought Club SI was one of those really techincal forums where most people knew their shit... at least that's what it sounds like from what people here are saying. If this clubSI is the one I'm thinking of, I have much respect for them (and probably most of their cars)... I would not be surprised if we had as many (if not more) "ricers" on zilvia than they do on clubsi. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

[piratepete420]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ Sep. 01 2002,07:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (98SilviaS14 @ Sep. 01 2002,11:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"economy cars"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't know what they own but it's on a Civic site so I obviously assume they drive a civic and there is no way you cannot say a Civic isn't an economy car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
It may be an economy car, but an si is still a badass car nontheless.

[gman240]

These types of discussions can be so pointless. The SI civic may have its good points and of course its bad points but i stress it is not a sports car. not really even in the same class as the 240. The 240 sx is &nbsp;a rear drive car( one of only a few that came from japan as I remeber seeing in this country) It has a true sport car style to it. They have an amazing feel to there handling even in stock form. Yeah the KA is not the most powerful thing but still you can build it to a decent point NA or you can go turbo and then you will have a nice car. HP numbers depend on what you do. Are you a street driving type only? Do you Drag race? Do you autocross? Are you in low level GT style racing? You need to look at each question impossible to broadly sweep the whole canvas and say that the z40sx/silvia is strictly this or strictly that. Personal opinion Honda civics suck when it comes to interior comfort and layout. My 240 has a way more intelligent layout to the controls and overall is just a much cooler car to sit behind the wheel of...

[matic 240sx]

i am not bashing anyone. &nbsp;the 240sx is a great car and the ka is a great engine. &nbsp;the civic si... its a car... &nbsp;it looks like any other civic.. its slow just like any other civic.. &nbsp;maybe the fastest but its slow.. &nbsp;dump 5000 grand into both cars and the 240sx will kill it. &nbsp;these are facts not opinions.. so face it.. nissan has always had honda whipped... &nbsp;hondas are cheap i guess thats what they shoot for..

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (James @ Sep. 02 2002,03:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh for the love of god..... you all need a reality check.
That post didn't bash 240sx's, so don't condemn all "Si" owners or every Honda owner.
And since this is a "240sx" forum I guess I should expect your opnions to be VERY BIASED. Many of you make it sound like the 240 was built by god on the seventh day or something, and is perfect in every way.
Just keep an open mind about things......learn to not be a "Nissan fanatic" but rather an "automotive enthusiast" that can appreciate different makes and models.

And I wouldn't be bashing the Civic Si====shows you know nothing about the import performance "pecking order".
>-----Can't wait to hear the responses on ClubSi if news of this lame-ass thread ever gets back over there!!!-----<</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Easy killer. &nbsp;There hasn't been much flaming here and virtually none there. &nbsp;If this stays where it is, we are in good shape. &nbsp;We really don't need to be in some flame war w/ the 30,000 CSI. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> &nbsp;

Yes, 240 owners are biased - a lot like Si owners. &nbsp;We've got something not too many people have. &nbsp;Something else about message boards is that they tend to attract fanatics. &nbsp;I agree it is taken too far.

As for your "pecking order" I'm not sure what you are getting at. &nbsp;Both cars have their strengths and weaknesses. &nbsp;The Civic responds a bit better to bolt-ons, but out of the box, they are pretty close in a straight line. &nbsp;In a track envrionment, the 240 has a pretty good edge. &nbsp;Look at the G's a 240 can sustain compared to an Si. &nbsp;We also have more tire, better brakes, better weight dist., a better driving compartment (Si seats SUCK), and the RWD advantage of being able to rotate the car two ways. &nbsp;Like it or not, the 240 is based on a sports car design while the Si is based on an econo-box design. &nbsp;Both have their strengths - the Si its motor and the 240 its chassis. &nbsp;But a "pecking order" - I don't think so.

Si vs All is dominated by 240 owners and Scream and Nyiles have been around for a while. &nbsp;They both used to be on FA b/f this place really existed. &nbsp;They got sick of it and went back to CSI. &nbsp;I know there are quite a few people on CSI buying up 240s as they are the current "hot" car. &nbsp;Many of those people are just like our locals.

CSI is not likely to be the board where you respect people's cars. &nbsp;That's gonna be Honda-Tech. &nbsp;CSI is a rice fest. &nbsp;I know - I was there back a few years when it was still decent. &nbsp;I know a few of the mods there and even THEY hate the place!

Travis - ugh - and Si? &nbsp;You'd be better off w/ a swap. &nbsp;There's a reason so few companies ever developed an Si for roadracing - the hatch (esp. 5th gen.) was THAT MUCH better.

[tnord]

someone please tell me how the KA doesn't suck (in stock form, i don't wanna hear the FI angle)

mark - i'll agree that the hatch is a better place to start, but i wouldn't exactly say the 99/00 si is worthless either, Mr. Harvey seems to be doing alright. and yes, for a dedicated track car, i wouldn't say there's much comparison. but i still think they are cool (basically because of the engine).

travis
who thinks people need to realize the 240 isn't ALL THAT

[matic 240sx]

tnord.. of course the 240sx is not a great ass car.. its a good car.. just like a 1000 others.. we can't afford skylines so we get what we can afford.. and i would never take a honda over a nissan in its price range.. and whats your point about the Si? its slow.. its ugly.. its front wheel.. turbos tear honda engines apart.. so its a great car to spend money on and get into the 14s? COOL! not bashing just stating facts..

[95exlude]

alright, well just on the line of what makes a sports car, how about what it is at the time? not what it came factory. &nbsp;I would consider stephen papadakis' civic a sports car for sure (its a coupe not a hatch i might addd), running the quarter in about 8.6. &nbsp;further, as a comparison, jun's silvia runs the quarter in 8.9. &nbsp;neither of these cars are real sports cars...stock...but the supra, considered a sports car stock, isnt as fast quarter as either of these :b with veilside's supra running 9.004. &nbsp;true this is all drag, true the supra would destroy both highway, as would the silvia make a much better track car. &nbsp;but as someone said, the car is what it is built for. &nbsp;i just happen to know exact examples for drag. &nbsp;i dissagree with what matic said about nissan has always had honda whipped. &nbsp;in fact i believe all in all honda has been leading until they recently retired. &nbsp;further nissan has never really been a part of the rally community. &nbsp;dont get me wrong, im working on a 180sx conversion and love nissan, but i also loved my prelude and love my friend's lsvtec civic. &nbsp;i just dont think anyone can correctly say "nissan has honda whipped"

p.s. all drag times posted have been the fastest i have ever seen, and having discussed this on the 240-sx.com forums those were the fastest we could come up with...correct me if they are wrong.

[95exlude]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,2:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tnord.. of course the 240sx is not a great ass car.. its a good car.. just like a 1000 others.. we can't afford skylines so we get what we can afford.. and i would never take a honda over a nissan in its price range.. and whats your point about the Si? its slow.. its ugly.. its front wheel.. turbos tear honda engines apart.. so its a great car to spend money on and get into the 14s? COOL! not bashing just stating facts..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
matic, my best friend's n/a lsvtec civic is in the 13s and he is planning on turboing it soon, i really dont think its fair to compare turbo to natural. &nbsp;hondas/acuras were designed to be naturally aspirated with very high compression.

[matic 240sx]

13s with no interior