Wish me luck, gonna convert to Honda ecu.

[MegasquirtCA]

Soo my best friend who is my tuner threw out the idea of converting my CA to be run off a Honda ecu, ignition and harness.
So im like why the **** not, theirs soo much aftermarket tuning support for hondas.
Anyways the main concern I had was how am I gonna mount the Honda Distributor to the camshaft.
Well some of the honda distributors are actually very simple. Take a look at the ends.




Soo one way I thought about doing it is by making a adaptor on the cam gear where the 4 bolts are and weld a female end to the adaptor, maybe have it professional milled through a friend.
Heres what im talkin about.
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The rest is simple stuff like wiring, adding Honda sensors etc etc.
Now your probably thinking why switch over. Well why not they are great systems and with Neptune its insane. Also I havent seen it done in the Nissan community, Toyota community do it quite a bit. Plus I love pushing myself to do new things.
Now dont get me wrong their is nothing wrong with Megasquirt, I love the damn thing couldnt be happier with it, its just I like to try new things see if it can be done maybe give someone new hope to give it a shot. Look at when I did megasquirt it was practically unheard of in the CA community and because of my help and write up its becoming insanely popular. Plus im thinking converting to Honda stuff will cost less than megasquirt too. The ecu can be had for about $17-$50, a harness about $30-$50 as well, sensors for about $50, than its pick your tuning software. I will be going with Neptune and is $100 license fee but unlimited tunes afterwards.

If successful expect a full write up with tons of pics.

[k's_silvia2.0]

Wow Gluck and +1 for yiou test piloting this set up.

[MegasquirtCA]

Hopefully everything I learned from doing Megasquirt will make things easier as well.

[sr20boostn20]

aem just came out with a coil on plug system for hondas.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2174199

maby you could get real crazy switch over to honda then aem cdi

[Sir]

Good luck with that.

[steve shadows]

what the fuck is the point?

You want a propper map based fully tunable system?

wow people will go out of their way to avoid doing something right.

I havent even gotten close to tapping the potential of the E8 I have and ive nearly maxed out my setup on 91 octane.

Haltech is plug and play works the same way a oem ecu reads crank trigger via stock crank trigger, and if you get the E11 you can run a v12 formula car off one if you wanted.

Good luck in the frontier of money burning.

Are you an engineering major? is this a project?

this is just insane and pointless imo.

[MegasquirtCA]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

what the fuck is the point?

Whats the point? why not try something new. Its no different than somebody saying oh hey lets try to do this swap.

You want a propper map based fully tunable system?

Already have one.

wow people will go out of their way to avoid doing something right.

Who are you to question my projects if what im doing is right. Let me guess doing it right is buying a haltech system off you or john? Unless you yourself attempted this same project you have no right to tell me its wrong or right.

I havent even gotten close to tapping the potential of the E8 I have and ive nearly maxed out my setup on 91 octane.

Haltech is plug and play works the same way a oem ecu reads crank trigger via stock crank trigger, and if you get the E11 you can run a v12 formula car off one if you wanted.

This means nothing to me, thats great that Haltech has a plug in play system, guess what so does AEM but the plug in play system is worthless to me as I dont have OEM wiring and ignition. As for bring up V12 who here has a v12, MS can do up to 16 cylinders but that wasnt even the reason why I got it.

Good luck in the frontier of money burning.

This is the type of stuff that discourages people from trying new things. And how do you know its gonna burn money, my friend specializes in hondas so he has the stuff lying around. Its one of the main reasons I want to give it a shot and if successful will be a cheap alternative.

Are you an engineering major? is this a project?

this is just insane and pointless imo.

Yes this is a project and no im not an engineering major, Im just looking to try new things, we dont move forward without trying new things.

This is no different than someone switching to Haltech, Megasquirt, AEM, SDS, etc etc

Just because I dont do it the way you would do things doesnt make it wrong.


But its ok Steve I got the same type of shit when I first started my megasquirt quest and it took me completing it and getting it running to convince the nay sayers that it was an option.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by MegasquirtCA

This is the type of stuff that discourages people from trying new things. And how do you know its gonna burn money, my friend specializes in hondas so he has the stuff lying around. Its one of the main reasons I want to give it a shot and if successful will be a cheap alternative.

Yes for good reason to help you. Thats what the forum is for. Honda made that system for it's economy cars. You want to take a superior nissan DIS system throw it out the fucking window and go on a custom fabrication rampage. Why not just put a FR mounted S2000 motor, if your so hell bent on using the INFERIOR honda ignition system? Ive pushed C18 and SR DIS past 420-480 whp personally with no hints of misfire. I Know that it can take more, Nissan designed it from the factory to be ready for JGTC and any thing else frankly

Yes this is a project and no im not an engineering major, Im just looking to try new things, we dont move forward without trying new things.

This is no different than someone switching to Haltech, Megasquirt, AEM, SDS, etc etc

No your right this is like blowing your foot off with an M80 insted of eating a steak

Just because I dont do it the way you would do things doesnt make it wrong.

You mean Just because you want to something completely pointless doesnt make it wrong. Well it does. It's completely pointless.

But its ok Steve I got the same type of shit when I first started my megasquirt quest and it took me completing it and getting it running to convince the nay sayers that it was an option.

Right and megasquirt sucks too, If it didnt you wouldnt be at the cross roads of "oh man I better grapht over the entire ignition and electronics/ems system from ANOTHER FUCING manufacturer"

Honda already made it on their car, the research has been done the verdict is in and it works! Honda's engineers made a great system for Honda.

This would be like going through the effort of putting in a weaker ford crankshaft and going out of your way to do it to prove (what point?) I don't know.

Just buy the propper EMS and start tuning your car already.

Tell me exactly how the cost/benefit analysis of this transpired in your head?

Look I honestly commend your insanity and resourcefullness but just remeber McGuiver has been scratched from prime time.

It just drives up shits creek (not really but internet wise) that people who want to "race" their car cant pay about 2-400 bucks more for a read standalone system that has support, history in racing and ease of setup, + warrenty and is a long term investment that in most cases can be swapped from car to car, depending on future projects.

Get out there and race already FACK!

Your decisions are like paradoxical beach balls bouncing in my head now.

[jt1583]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

Honda already made it on their car, the research has been done the verdict is in and it works! Honda's engineers made a great system for Honda.

This would be like going through the effort of putting in a weaker ford crankshaft and going out of your way to do it to prove (what point?) I don't know.

Just buy the propper EMS and start tuning your car already.

Tell me exactly how the cost/benefit analysis of this transpired in your head?

Look I honestly commend your insanity and resourcefullness but just remeber McGuiver has been scratched from prime time.

It just drives up shits creek (not really but internet wise) that people who want to "race" their car cant pay about 2-400 bucks more for a read standalone system that has support, history in racing and ease of setup, + warrenty and is a long term investment that in most cases can be swapped from car to car, depending on future projects.

hah man it almost hurts to read what you write. I have read atleast 5 different points of your's that single handedly discourage ingenuity and preach conformity.

You sound like a communist and if you did actually have the opportunity to run a society, there's no doubt it would be stuck in the stone age. If you think there's only one right way to do things, you have a lot to learn.

Your comment on the Honda engineers making a great system for honda makes you sound like you drive a honda. It's still just an engine, the aspects it has that make "it work!" can be applied to other engines as well.

Lastly, to actually contribute something useful so the OP doesn't have to say again, he can get the stuff for < $300, and has access to machinists and honda friends. He's got the cost portion down, if he can make reliable power that matches or surpasses other standalones then I'd say his cost/benefit analysis was done quite well.

[opponheimer]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

what the fuck is the point?

You want a propper map based fully tunable system?

wow people will go out of their way to avoid doing something right.

I havent even gotten close to tapping the potential of the E8 I have and ive nearly maxed out my setup on 91 octane.

Haltech is plug and play works the same way a oem ecu reads crank trigger via stock crank trigger, and if you get the E11 you can run a v12 formula car off one if you wanted.

Good luck in the frontier of money burning.

Are you an engineering major? is this a project?

this is just insane and pointless imo.

I second this post haha..

[hustlervibes]

Should be an interesting setup to say the least.

[johngriff]

Seems like an S(*# Ton of work for what payoff I cannot see.

Convert to map?

[MegasquirtCA]

Originally Posted by johngriff

Seems like an S(*# Ton of work for what payoff I cannot see.

Convert to map?

Well I dont see how its a lot of work, definatly a lot less work than Megasquirt and that shits easy.

I already have a MAP based system so obviously its not for that reason.

[Addicted2Kouki]

So I think the question is...


Why? Actual benefits?

[alindeman1989]

thats original, keep us updated.

[MegasquirtCA]

Definatly will do updates and take shitloads of pictures.

Im quite impressed with the drawing I made, I did that shit with MS Paint.

[statik]

I don't get it. But if you are doing it just because you want something to do (a project) thats cool, good luck.

[MegasquirtCA]

I got to check out some of the tuning software such as Chrome, Neptune, Hondata and they have a lot of amazing features, good size maps like 24x24.

Its OEM parts, parts are cheap to replace, and its already cheap. Im guesstimating around $200-$300 to get it all together and running. Im gonna be using Neptune some of the cool features will be stuff like preset boost limits for certain gears, PWM boost control, launch control, antilag etc etc.

[Jus Skott]

maybe contact blake. "person that wrote uber data" and see if he can help ya in anyway. he did re write it to run his VGs one NA and the other TT. jut a thought.
~skott

[blu808]

Cool project.

I have often thought of trying to convert a ls1 ecu and harness to run a sr20det, rb, whatever. If you have every tuned any ls car with hp tuners, ls1 edit, ect. You buy the software. Plug it in, and you have a full standalone.

It even lets you convert voltage spreads to run different senders, and lets you run either speed density, or maf tunes.

Keep us posted.

[MegasquirtCA]

Originally Posted by blu808

Cool project.

I have often thought of trying to convert a ls1 ecu and harness to run a sr20det, rb, whatever. If you have every tuned any ls car with hp tuners, ls1 edit, ect. You buy the software. Plug it in, and you have a full standalone.

It even lets you convert voltage spreads to run different senders, and lets you run either speed density, or maf tunes.

Keep us posted.

Exactly Luke, my brother has a LS6 FC and he uses EFI Live with his GM pcm and I was blown at how much control it gives you just by using software. Thats whats great about Honda ecu's too you pretty much turned them in standalones when using those tuning softwares.

S14DB

No it wouldnt be cheaper, like I said it will probaly cost around $300 for everything, probably less.

Haltech and AEM are like what $1100-$1800?

I've seen reports on people using GM pcm with 240's didnt see any bitching their.

[DMiller]

Sounds like an um... interesting project. I will be interesting to know how it comes out and its practicality for lower budget people.

Originally Posted by blu808

Cool project.

I have often thought of trying to convert a ls1 ecu and harness to run a sr20det, rb, whatever. If you have every tuned any ls car with hp tuners, ls1 edit, ect. You buy the software. Plug it in, and you have a full standalone.

It even lets you convert voltage spreads to run different senders, and lets you run either speed density, or maf tunes.

Keep us posted.

do that to a single cam ka and you will have my order!

[S14DB]

At the end of the day wouldn't it be cheaper to convert to a standalone(AEM,Haltech)? Or are you going for the "look at me I did something complex and pointless" factor?

[exitsine]

Originally Posted by S14DB

At the end of the day wouldn't it be cheaper to convert to a standalone(AEM,Haltech)? Or are you going for the "look at me I did something complex and pointless" factor?

just read what he wrote, he has answered that maybe 3 times.

[chibo]

I've been slowly reading in to this over the past few months - I'm subscribing to this thread.

[MegasquirtCA]

When I first did my swap, I was gonna experiment with Honda ecu's but I fell in love with Megasquirt. And because of MS I have better understanding of ecu's ignition systems that im confident enough to implement this.

The ONLY bad side is that the distributor wont be eye pleasing as it will be sticking in front of the engine.

[blu808]

why not convert to a crank trigger system?
I know hondas run a dizzy, but if you could somehow convert it to read the cas signal, or a crank trigger you would be in business.

[MegasquirtCA]

Originally Posted by blu808

why not convert to a crank trigger system?
I know hondas run a dizzy, but if you could somehow convert it to read the cas signal, or a crank trigger you would be in business.

What Megasquirt? I did convert to a crank trigger system. I'm running a FORD EDIS-4 ignition system.

I made a write up 2yrs ago

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/164446


This is what my setup looks like










I'm really doing this too see if it can be done which I dont see why not and whats it take to do their.

[bongnak]

good job, i think im going to do this too for the fuck of it...

Oh and to make it easy why don't you just find an old honda cam shaft and cut the end off where the dizzy slips into and weld it onto the nissan camshaft. This way you can cut it how ever long you want and have it our far enought to mount the dizzy.

oh and theres a ae86 4ag with hondata out there, forgot the name of the company who did it...

[chibo]

Originally Posted by bongnak

Oh and to make it easy why don't you just find an old honda cam shaft and cut the end off where the dizzy slips into and weld it onto the nissan camshaft

Just off the top of my head, this seems like it would lead to heavy vibes as the cams spun faster and faster.