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slamed_s13 · 01-03-2009, 01:51 AM

Are they any different from each other?? I have an S13 blacktop and planning on buying a used Power FC but I can't find any one for blacktop. But let me know if you got one.

SuperiorS14 · 01-03-2009, 08:41 PM

yes there are differences. i dont know what they are

***S14DB*** · 01-03-2009, 09:17 PM

Pin outs.

vespaman · 01-03-2009, 10:09 PM

i'm not too sure but my blacktop power fc d-jetro ignition timing map(base map) different from my friend's power fc redtop L-jetro(air flow version) i tried to use the ign and fuel map from red top base map once but my car ran even worse. it won't rev past 3500rpm it felt like the fuel is cut and knock.. :/

slamed_s13 · 01-04-2009, 01:31 AM

ok so it's just best to get the blacktop power fc. thanks for the info guys.

steve shadows · 01-04-2009, 01:40 AM

If you are getting a plug and play EMS get the exact model unit that matches your car's wiring loom.

It's worth the extra money to avoid any headache.

If you are talking Black top 13 VS. Red top 13 motors these are the same pin outs- except for the 96-98 model s13 motor ECUs which on injector ground pin needs to be re-pinned and switched (iirc)

S13 RED TOP vs. S14 Black Top - no these will not cross over

Xclusive_racer · 01-04-2009, 01:51 AM

**IN THE BACK GROUND AHHHHHHH***OOOOHHHHHH***NODS his head up and down** Steve Shadows has signs of a jedi

yeah...jedi 240s....

steve shadows · 01-04-2009, 03:11 AM

Ha-

I wish I could get every member in for a full car check up - charge 70 a head - so at least they could all meet me

slamed_s13 · 01-05-2009, 05:21 PM

so I can basically use the S13 Redtop Power-FC for my S13 Blacktop motor, correct?

zaquanh · 01-05-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slamed_s13

so I can basically use the S13 Redtop Power-FC for my S13 Blacktop motor, correct?

first off how can you not find one there everywhere , ebay local shops online stores and on zilvia ,

just get the black top one

MadScientist · 01-05-2009, 06:01 PM

OK... here are some dumb facts.

S13 Red Top was made from 89-95
S13 Black Top was made from 91-98

The Black Top does have different pin outs from the Red Top and more specifically on the later 96-98 models.

Confusion is mixed when you dont state the actuall facts when buying an engine... be very very specific... if you want a Black Top and your paying $500 more then a Red Top... Demand that you get a 96-98... and know what to look for when you get it... specifically the Pin Out on the ECU!!!!
And just so we are straight.... a 96-98 (S13) Black Top is not a 95-98 (S14) Black Top... this was recently confused in a Major Mag. (Stupid Street).

Look at your ECU Pin Out and post the number of pins per section. This was someone can help you better.

-Drew

zaquanh · 01-05-2009, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadScientist

OK... here are some dumb facts.

S13 Red Top was made from 89-95
S13 Black Top was made from 91-98

The Black Top does have different pin outs from the Red Top and more specifically on the later 96-98 models.

Confusion is mixed when you dont state the actuall facts when buying an engine... be very very specific... if you want a Black Top and your paying $500 more then a Red Top... Demand that you get a 96-98... and know what to look for when you get it... specifically the Pin Out on the ECU!!!!
And just so we are straight.... a 96-98 (S13) Black Top is not a 95-98 (S14) Black Top... this was recently confused in a Major Mag. (Stupid Street).

Look at your ECU Pin Out and post the number of pins per section. This was someone can help you better.

-Drew

juss to go on that

96-98 is a type x
91-96 s13 black top
89-95 s13 red top

slamed_s13 · 01-05-2009, 10:46 PM

I've got a 91-96 blacktop.

MadScientist · 01-06-2009, 07:24 AM

I have not verified this but I am still searching for you to find more info.

RPS13 1991-95 SR20DET - 8/7/8/9
RPS13 1996-98 SR20DET - 8/7/8/9
RPS13 1996-98 SR20DE - 8/7/8/9

The pin out suggest they are the same but wiring could be different.
Oddly the SR20DE and DET are the same pin outs... and nothing was suggested about Red or Black Tops other then year.

For those with S14/S15

S14 1993 -98 SR20DE - 8/7/8/10
S14 1993 -96 SR20DET - 8/10/10/10
S14 1996 -98 SR20DET - 8/7/8/10
S15 1999+ SR20DET - 8/7/8/10

Same thing... we know for a fact the S15 ECU is very different and can't be used on the S14 SRs.

-Drew

01-03-2009, 01:51 AM	#1
slamed_s13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio TX Age: 36 Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Blacktop Power FC vs. Redtop Power FC Are they any different from each other?? I have an S13 blacktop and planning on buying a used Power FC but I can't find any one for blacktop. But let me know if you got one.

01-03-2009, 09:17 PM	#3
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Pin outs. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

01-04-2009, 01:40 AM	#6
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	If you are getting a plug and play EMS get the exact model unit that matches your car's wiring loom. It's worth the extra money to avoid any headache. If you are talking Black top 13 VS. Red top 13 motors these are the same pin outs- except for the 96-98 model s13 motor ECUs which on injector ground pin needs to be re-pinned and switched (iirc) S13 RED TOP vs. S14 Black Top - no these will not cross over __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

01-04-2009, 01:51 AM	#7
Xclusive_racer Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Age: 41 Posts: 1,245 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	IN THE BACK GROUND AHHHHHHHOOOOHHHHHHNODS his head up and down Steve Shadows has signs of a jedi yeah...jedi 240s.... __________________ You Build Cheap! Your Car Will Feel and Drive Cheap!

01-04-2009, 03:11 AM	#8
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Ha- I wish I could get every member in for a full car check up - charge 70 a head - so at least they could all meet me __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

01-03-2009, 08:41 PM	#2
SuperiorS14 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: S.G.V. Age: 40 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	yes there are differences. i dont know what they are

01-03-2009, 10:09 PM	#4
vespaman Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: California Posts: 781 Trader Rating: (64) Rides Gallery: vespaman Feedback Score: 64 reviews	i'm not too sure but my blacktop power fc d-jetro ignition timing map(base map) different from my friend's power fc redtop L-jetro(air flow version) i tried to use the ign and fuel map from red top base map once but my car ran even worse. it won't rev past 3500rpm it felt like the fuel is cut and knock.. :/

01-04-2009, 01:31 AM	#5
slamed_s13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio TX Age: 36 Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	ok so it's just best to get the blacktop power fc. thanks for the info guys.

01-05-2009, 05:21 PM	#9
slamed_s13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio TX Age: 36 Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	so I can basically use the S13 Redtop Power-FC for my S13 Blacktop motor, correct?

01-05-2009, 06:01 PM	#11
MadScientist Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 48 Posts: 1,972 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	OK... here are some dumb facts. S13 Red Top was made from 89-95 S13 Black Top was made from 91-98 The Black Top does have different pin outs from the Red Top and more specifically on the later 96-98 models. Confusion is mixed when you dont state the actuall facts when buying an engine... be very very specific... if you want a Black Top and your paying $500 more then a Red Top... Demand that you get a 96-98... and know what to look for when you get it... specifically the Pin Out on the ECU!!!! And just so we are straight.... a 96-98 (S13) Black Top is not a 95-98 (S14) Black Top... this was recently confused in a Major Mag. (Stupid Street). Look at your ECU Pin Out and post the number of pins per section. This was someone can help you better. -Drew

01-05-2009, 10:46 PM	#13
slamed_s13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio TX Age: 36 Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I've got a 91-96 blacktop.

01-06-2009, 07:24 AM	#14
MadScientist Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 48 Posts: 1,972 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I have not verified this but I am still searching for you to find more info. RPS13 1991-95 SR20DET - 8/7/8/9 RPS13 1996-98 SR20DET - 8/7/8/9 RPS13 1996-98 SR20DE - 8/7/8/9 The pin out suggest they are the same but wiring could be different. Oddly the SR20DE and DET are the same pin outs... and nothing was suggested about Red or Black Tops other then year. For those with S14/S15 S14 1993 -98 SR20DE - 8/7/8/10 S14 1993 -96 SR20DET - 8/10/10/10 S14 1996 -98 SR20DET - 8/7/8/10 S15 1999+ SR20DET - 8/7/8/10 Same thing... we know for a fact the S15 ECU is very different and can't be used on the S14 SRs. -Drew

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