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96SEChick · 03-06-2002, 08:43 PM

I'm really considering the group buy of Eibach Prokits that are being advertised in the Group Deals/etc section.  I have one question about it though.

I currently have 100% stock suspension.  If I buy these springs, will they work w/ my existing stock struts?  Or will I have to buy new front/rear struts.  Which brings me to another question--do we have struts in the front, and shocks in the rear, or struts in front & rear?

Thanks in advance  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

wa-fu · 03-06-2002, 09:01 PM

I've been running Eibach Pro Kit springs on stock struts/shocks for about a year now.  No problems.
The front suspension uses struts and the rear uses shocks.

i hate rice rockets · 03-06-2002, 09:14 PM

well ive been running on eibach sportline..and i havent had n e problems yet...but yea these springs are good....thats all i have to say...not bumpy like them other shits....

96SEChick · 03-06-2002, 09:41 PM

Thanks so much guys!

How hard are they to install?  Is this something my bf and I can do ourselves?  Do you recommend I find someone to install them for me?

anthony240 · 03-06-2002, 11:28 PM

you need a spring compressor. most of the install should be straightforward. I could've done this myself, but the mechanic insisted, oh well.

*DSC* · 03-06-2002, 11:37 PM

check out brian's eibach install

s15dude · 03-07-2002, 12:16 AM

What is the difference between a schock and a strut? I thought that they were the same thing.

96SEChick · 03-07-2002, 06:56 AM

Thanks DSC!!  That site is AWESOME!  But now I'm thinking I should try to get new shocks and struts, since I have 75000 miles on my car and the boots are torn to crap anyways. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

I may just get the springs and install them after I get new shocks & struts.  Thanks for that site!

yenpit · 03-07-2002, 07:44 AM

s15dude, diff is only in design......they both do the same thing.....dampen the suspension, absorb the bumps. u can have ft shock-rr shock, ft strut-rr strut, ft strut-rr shock, don't recall ever seeing a ft shock-rr strut combo. to my knowledge struts r always coilover design with spring surrounding it, shocks can be coilover design (like the rr of 240) OR have spring (coil or leaf) located nearby.

tnord · 03-07-2002, 08:26 AM

from personal experience installing both springs and dampers, i would suggest doing it all at once if you can afford it.  if you do it yourself it will save you around 2-3 hours of sitting on the garage floor time.  if you take the car somewhere it'll save you over $100 if you do it all at once.  if you do decide to do it yourself, make sure you got a breaker bar, and some vice grips, as well as sockets ranging from 10mm-16 or 18mm. ( i can't remember what size the steering knuckle bolts were) if anyone needs help with the install let me know, i spent multiple weekends working on this, i probably took apart/put back together each corner at least 3 times.

DuffMan · 03-07-2002, 08:50 AM

Even though your stock shocks may last for a while with the pro-kits on, its not generally a good experience.

Krunko · 03-07-2002, 09:10 AM

Anyone here have pictures of their car with these springs on an s14?  I'd like to see how much it lowers it....

thanks,
chance

*DSC* · 03-07-2002, 09:14 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Krunko @ Mar. 05 2002,12:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone here have pictures of their car with these springs on an s14? I'd like to see how much it lowers it....

thanks,
chance</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Check the site I linked to above. He has a bunch of before and after pics.

sheadee240 · 10-20-2002, 12:45 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (96SEChick @ Mar. 06 2002,9:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm really considering the group buy of Eibach Prokits that are being advertised in the Group Deals/etc section. I have one question about it though.

I currently have 100% stock suspension. If I buy these springs, will they work w/ my existing stock struts? Or will I have to buy new front/rear struts. Which brings me to another question--do we have struts in the front, and shocks in the rear, or struts in front & rear?

Thanks in advance <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If you haven't done it yet Get the Pro-kit with kyb AGXs, and yes you can do it yourself with a helper, just respect the danger that is enherent in using a spring compressor, and it should be very straight forward.

My buddy and I did it from (9<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 to 12:30) both of our first times doing suspension...I just wish that KYB had the AGX at the time...God-Damnit!

But the pro-kit is awesome <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

saga240 · 10-20-2002, 12:56 PM

yes pro kit is cool..  i have better cornering at the limit..  it took the pro kits a good year to blow my shocks.. hah so thats a pretty good time, plus the shop that installed my springs said my shocks were going to blow soon.. so i guess its not too bad on the shocks.. but when they blow, haha you better change em.. the ride gets ugly rather fast..   <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> at least my agx's are in, just need to get em installed..  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

uiuc240 · 10-20-2002, 04:45 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (s15dude @ Mar. 07 2002,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the difference between a schock and a strut? I thought that they were the same thing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
A strut is a type of shock.  It is considered a strut as it acts as a structural positioning point of the suspension.  You'll notice, in the rear, the shock has nothing to do with alignment or the position of the wheel relative to the suspension.  On the other hand, up front, the spindle bolts directly to the strut...therefore, the strut must turn when you turn the wheel, and the compression of the strut affects the camber of the wheel.  Stuff like that....

Eric

03-06-2002, 08:43 PM	#1
96SEChick Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Broken Arrow, OK Age: 48 Posts: 1,814 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm really considering the group buy of Eibach Prokits that are being advertised in the Group Deals/etc section.  I have one question about it though. I currently have 100% stock suspension.  If I buy these springs, will they work w/ my existing stock struts?  Or will I have to buy new front/rear struts.  Which brings me to another question--do we have struts in the front, and shocks in the rear, or struts in front & rear? Thanks in advance  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ Lauren '91 300ZX TT Ultra Red 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JUN flywheel, ACT clutch, Energy Suspension Bushings, Tokico Blues - dyno'ed 295hp/306tq '94 300ZX TT Black Emerald Pearl 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JWT ECU w/ Stillen chip, Stillen exhaust, Tokico Blues, Eibach ProKits, 18" Enkei RP-01 wheels - dyno'ed 333hp/385tq '00 WS6 Trans Am Bright Red 6-speedFOR SALE - only 29k miles, stock, fully loaded, only $23,999 (NADA $26300) Green Country Motorsports Northeastern Oklahoma SCCA

03-06-2002, 09:01 PM	#2
wa-fu Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've been running Eibach Pro Kit springs on stock struts/shocks for about a year now.  No problems. The front suspension uses struts and the rear uses shocks. __________________ ...got to find the reason why my money's all gone...

03-06-2002, 09:14 PM	#3
i hate rice rockets Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 86 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well ive been running on eibach sportline..and i havent had n e problems yet...but yea these springs are good....thats all i have to say...not bumpy like them other shits.... __________________ 95 240sx Se.. soon to have an SR

03-06-2002, 09:41 PM	#4
96SEChick Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Broken Arrow, OK Age: 48 Posts: 1,814 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks so much guys! How hard are they to install?  Is this something my bf and I can do ourselves?  Do you recommend I find someone to install them for me? __________________ Lauren '91 300ZX TT Ultra Red 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JUN flywheel, ACT clutch, Energy Suspension Bushings, Tokico Blues - dyno'ed 295hp/306tq '94 300ZX TT Black Emerald Pearl 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JWT ECU w/ Stillen chip, Stillen exhaust, Tokico Blues, Eibach ProKits, 18" Enkei RP-01 wheels - dyno'ed 333hp/385tq '00 WS6 Trans Am Bright Red 6-speedFOR SALE - only 29k miles, stock, fully loaded, only $23,999 (NADA $26300) Green Country Motorsports Northeastern Oklahoma SCCA

03-06-2002, 11:28 PM	#5
anthony240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 1,234 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	you need a spring compressor. most of the install should be straightforward. I could've done this myself, but the mechanic insisted, oh well. __________________ 18+ to come//21+ to swallow

03-06-2002, 11:37 PM	#6
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	check out brian's eibach install __________________

03-07-2002, 12:16 AM	#7
s15dude Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Diego Age: 41 Posts: 503 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What is the difference between a schock and a strut? I thought that they were the same thing. __________________

03-07-2002, 06:56 AM	#8
96SEChick Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Broken Arrow, OK Age: 48 Posts: 1,814 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks DSC!!  That site is AWESOME!  But now I'm thinking I should try to get new shocks and struts, since I have 75000 miles on my car and the boots are torn to crap anyways. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> I may just get the springs and install them after I get new shocks & struts.  Thanks for that site! __________________ Lauren '91 300ZX TT Ultra Red 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JUN flywheel, ACT clutch, Energy Suspension Bushings, Tokico Blues - dyno'ed 295hp/306tq '94 300ZX TT Black Emerald Pearl 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JWT ECU w/ Stillen chip, Stillen exhaust, Tokico Blues, Eibach ProKits, 18" Enkei RP-01 wheels - dyno'ed 333hp/385tq '00 WS6 Trans Am Bright Red 6-speedFOR SALE - only 29k miles, stock, fully loaded, only $23,999 (NADA $26300) Green Country Motorsports Northeastern Oklahoma SCCA

03-07-2002, 07:44 AM	#9
yenpit Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Holland Michigan Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	s15dude, diff is only in design......they both do the same thing.....dampen the suspension, absorb the bumps. u can have ft shock-rr shock, ft strut-rr strut, ft strut-rr shock, don't recall ever seeing a ft shock-rr strut combo. to my knowledge struts r always coilover design with spring surrounding it, shocks can be coilover design (like the rr of 240) OR have spring (coil or leaf) located nearby. __________________ '98 240SX 5spd[br]http://www.speedwisemotorsports.com

03-07-2002, 08:26 AM	#10
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	from personal experience installing both springs and dampers, i would suggest doing it all at once if you can afford it.  if you do it yourself it will save you around 2-3 hours of sitting on the garage floor time.  if you take the car somewhere it'll save you over $100 if you do it all at once.  if you do decide to do it yourself, make sure you got a breaker bar, and some vice grips, as well as sockets ranging from 10mm-16 or 18mm. ( i can't remember what size the steering knuckle bolts were) if anyone needs help with the install let me know, i spent multiple weekends working on this, i probably took apart/put back together each corner at least 3 times.

03-07-2002, 08:50 AM	#11
DuffMan Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in a cardboard box Posts: 2,517 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Even though your stock shocks may last for a while with the pro-kits on, its not generally a good experience.

03-07-2002, 09:10 AM	#12
Krunko Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 349 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Anyone here have pictures of their car with these springs on an s14?  I'd like to see how much it lowers it.... thanks, chance

03-07-2002, 09:14 AM	#13
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Krunko @ Mar. 05 2002,12:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone here have pictures of their car with these springs on an s14? I'd like to see how much it lowers it.... thanks, chance</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Check the site I linked to above. He has a bunch of before and after pics. __________________

10-20-2002, 12:45 AM	#14
sheadee240 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CT Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (96SEChick @ Mar. 06 2002,9:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm really considering the group buy of Eibach Prokits that are being advertised in the Group Deals/etc section. I have one question about it though. I currently have 100% stock suspension. If I buy these springs, will they work w/ my existing stock struts? Or will I have to buy new front/rear struts. Which brings me to another question--do we have struts in the front, and shocks in the rear, or struts in front & rear? Thanks in advance <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> If you haven't done it yet Get the Pro-kit with kyb AGXs, and yes you can do it yourself with a helper, just respect the danger that is enherent in using a spring compressor, and it should be very straight forward. My buddy and I did it from (9<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 to 12:30) both of our first times doing suspension...I just wish that KYB had the AGX at the time...God-Damnit! But the pro-kit is awesome <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> __________________ '97 s14 SE with custom intake, 235/40/17s for street, 225/45/15 Kumho race tires for auto-cross, 16 inch studded snows for the winter (he he), S/T sway bars, front strut bar, Rear upper and lower stabilizer bars, Polyurethane T/C rod Bushings, H&R 25 millimeter hub centric spacers, and my favorite... eibach Pro-Kit with KYB GR2 struts.

10-20-2002, 12:56 PM	#15
saga240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: long beach Posts: 277 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes pro kit is cool..  i have better cornering at the limit..  it took the pro kits a good year to blow my shocks.. hah so thats a pretty good time, plus the shop that installed my springs said my shocks were going to blow soon.. so i guess its not too bad on the shocks.. but when they blow, haha you better change em.. the ride gets ugly rather fast..   <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> at least my agx's are in, just need to get em installed..  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> __________________ 96 240sx SE RIP 91 Mr2 turbo.. td06.. and nothing else.. =)

10-20-2002, 04:45 PM	#16
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (s15dude @ Mar. 07 2002,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the difference between a schock and a strut? I thought that they were the same thing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> A strut is a type of shock.  It is considered a strut as it acts as a structural positioning point of the suspension.  You'll notice, in the rear, the shock has nothing to do with alignment or the position of the wheel relative to the suspension.  On the other hand, up front, the spindle bolts directly to the strut...therefore, the strut must turn when you turn the wheel, and the compression of the strut affects the camber of the wheel.  Stuff like that.... Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

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