Why did lsx swaps become so popular?

[turboshoebox]

For years there has been the whole import vs domestic battle which typicaly was japanese inline 4/6 vs american v8s.

While v8s for domestics are okay in their own right what happened to built sr20s or 2jzs etc? Why did mamy give up on the traditional route and take the easy and borring route of the lsx

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[deolio]

because this is 'MERICA!

[Kingbaby]

Originally Posted by deolio

because this is 'MERICA!

answer

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[shawn1331]

It's a lot cheaper and easier to make power from a v8 downlow where an sr has no bussiness making power.

With that said, I'm still a fan of the underdog SR and RB. I love RB20's haha

[KAT-PWR]

There is no replacement for displacement.

Except boost, which likes to break things, and requires a lot of mods and has more associated maintenance.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by KAT-PWR

There is no replacement for displacement.

The replacement for displacement is less weight.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KAT-PWR

There is no replacement for displacement.

Except boost, which likes to break things, and requires a lot of mods and has more associated maintenance.

But the catch is you can boost displacement.

So $1,500 SR + turbo upgrades

Vs

$1,500 LS + turbo upgrades


Guess who wins....

[TheRealSy90]

Originally Posted by danshaz

this was it, right?

Yeah man, I haven't been able to find those pics in a long time.

Originally Posted by danshaz

im pretty sure it has that setup in this

Yeah that's what I was talking about. Sounds a thousand times better than any other LS swap I've ever heard. More people need to do equal length long tube 8-1 exhaust setups I swear.


Just listen to that response and smoothness, it's so dang crispy.

Originally Posted by Malik

overkill.. but interesting

It's so worth it imo. I hate shitty sounding ls engines.


Here's another for good measure, I know not S-Chassis, but god damn it sounds great. 8-1 is where it's at.

[bataangpinoy]

Originally Posted by Corbic

But the catch is you can boost displacement.

So $1,500 SR + turbo upgrades

Vs

$1,500 LS + turbo upgrades


Guess who wins....

In what world are you getting a real LS (not an iron block (LQ9) or aluminum (L33) variant) for under 2k?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

In what world are you getting a real LS (not an iron block (LQ9) or aluminum (L33) variant) for under 2k?

The one that a 5.7 LS is not that desirable.

For my hick towns CL, there is a block for $600, a engine and 4l60 for $2k, an engine and T-56 for $3,600 and a rebuilt carb engine for $2800.

Building a 600whp LS will likely cost the same as a 600whp SR. At the SR will need to be built, LS won't.

L92s are like $3k. 6.2l, aluminum and 400hp.

[bataangpinoy]

Originally Posted by Corbic

The one that a 5.7 LS is not that desirable.

For my hick towns CL, there is a block for $600, a engine and 4l60 for $2k, an engine and T-56 for $3,600 and a rebuilt carb engine for $2800.

Building a 600whp LS will likely cost the same as a 600whp SR. At the SR will need to be built, LS won't.

L92s are like $3k. 6.2l, aluminum and 400hp.

??? where I am, anything LS is heinously overpriced

[rawgarage]

Because if you break something you can going to any AutoZone or O'reillys and get the part more than likely that day

[zwzweston]

Originally Posted by RAWGarage

Because if you break something you can going to any AutoZone or O'reillys and get the part more than likely that day

What he said. You might be able to find some 2J parts, but for SRs and RBs you're shit outta luck.

[TheRealSy90]

I just don't see those easily sourced parts being things that would unexpectedly break on track. Maybe a head gasket.

[zwzweston]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

I just don't see those easily sourced parts being things that would unexpectedly break on track. Maybe a head gasket.

I can't speak for street cars in this respect, but if for example you were trying to run a competitive drift car you'd want to avoid down time as much as possible. All kinds of fiddly little things can go wrong, and it just makes more sense to run out and pick up a spare rather than having to wait for parts.

[TheRealSy90]

Yeah I get that, so I guess water pumps, gaskets, spark plugs. But vital engine components? A pro team is gonna most likely have a built engine, so autozone isn't going to have those parts in stock. And I can't see a privateer or amateur team tearing down and rebuilding a stock engine in the pits. Those easily gotten parts they would carry, are also easily ordered ahead of time for the "Japanese" engines so that you have spares on hand.

[Grocery Cart]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Yeah I get that, so I guess water pumps, gaskets, spark plugs. But vital engine components? A pro team is gonna most likely have a built engine, so autozone isn't going to have those parts in stock. And I can't see a privateer or amateur team tearing down and rebuilding a stock engine in the pits. Those easily gotten parts they would carry, are also easily ordered ahead of time for the "Japanese" engines so that you have spares on hand.

Oem part is better than no part.

[FaLKoN240]

1 Torque.
2 Domestic american market- Parts are more readily available.
3 Dat v8 sound

[turboshoebox]

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

1 Torque.
2 Domestic american market- Parts are more readily available.
3 Dat v8 sound

Some feel the v8 sound is a detracment for jap cars

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[Sleepy_Steve]

They have issues like any motor, but it's relatively cheap and easy power, at near stock reliability (which is huge btw) in pretty much any street or drift application.

And when they do break if you're near stock, there's always local parts availability to get you back up and running with the quickness.

[burnsauto]

They've been around for years, ever since I've been into the S-chassis. From what I've noticed over the years is the big push after the LS becoming commonplace in Formula D (love it or hate it, it's a driving force in this scene). From a race standpoint, it'd a great choice.

Availability of parts, reliability, and a larger and more linear powerband make it a very potent combination of chassis design, weight, and power.

At the end of the day, we (just being super broad here to make it easy) just follow suit. I doubt that many people would of bought and swapped SR, etc. without first seeing them in D1GP, FD, Option video, HyperRev, etc. I'm not saying this in a bad way, there's nothing wrong with being influenced by the things around you, it's life.

That being said, I'll keep my engine choice. LS engines and the like, in my opinion, lack personality. I'm the kind of girl who likes the smart nerdy guy with a great personality compared to the one who likes the big muscled guy with nothing interesting to say.

[TheRealSy90]

So if you blew a built and tuned LS, and you could only get Oem parts that aren't as good as what broke, you'd fix it with those hoping that it would last. Ok.


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[ditchs14]

I dont care for them in drifting but im still a fan of the motor in general. go pull a truck 6.0 out from a junk yard. $700 for a motor. put a cam/heads/exhaust work. make almost 500hp. cant beat it really. they last forever. its just cheap and easy to get.

[MADE]

Originally Posted by ditchs14

I dont care for them in drifting but im still a fan of the motor in general. go pull a truck 6.0 out from a junk yard. $700 for a motor. put a cam/heads/exhaust work. make almost 500hp. cant beat it really. they last forever. its just cheap and easy to get.

Was going to post same vids.

[Malik]

im surprised the LS weighs less then an SR, thats kinda cool

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by Malik

im surprised the LS weighs less then an SR, thats kinda cool

Not to sound like a smartass, but thats not really close to true, just gm fanboy propoganda.

Look up the weights, sr is still lighter. For instance, when I built my sr, I could pick up the entire engine myself, I don't think you can do that with an LS

Also just to give an example of why a lot of this is hype, if you look at the build log for a well sorted LS motor, just to get one running, is like $8000. Look at the build log for the motor trend 240ss and youll see what I mean as for cost.
There is a lot of things that need to be modified for a quality setup

Whereas an sr requires no real modifications to get running in our cars.
You could buy a s15 sr for $3000(includes 5 speed so nothing needs modification. Add cams injectors and a tune for like $1500 more dollars, and you have around the same horsepower as an LS1. Im pretty sure you could build an SR20vet for the same price as you can swap in an LS.
So again a lot of this is hype, not that I hate the motor or anything, I just hate the whole swap every brand into "every other brand" hype thats going around.
Brands exist for a reason, if you want american muscle, buy a muscle car

[MADE]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

For instance, when I built my sr, I could pick up the entire engine myself, I don't think you can do that with an LS

Explain I'm curious.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by MADE

Explain I'm curious.

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

He palmed it like a basketball I saw it

[MADE]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

Without the aid of a lever/left or any other assistance beside dem arm muscles, I wanna see it. I'll paypal you 1 dollar and 5 Drift Tengoku mags. (JDM Tight)