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ondatdryftonyte · 09-12-2006, 08:42 PM

i have stock s14 tie rods, w/ kazama s14 ends on my s13. my question is... is that just as much angle as s13 aftermarket tie rods w/ends. or can i do more with my s14 kazama ends?
thanks
-big poppa T

***FaLKoN240*** · 09-12-2006, 08:52 PM

No that is not the same. Aftermarket ends come with spacers and more threads to give additional steering angle.

ondatdryftonyte · 09-12-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 240FaLKoN

No that is not the same. Aftermarket ends come with spacers and more threads to give additional steering angle.

wierd flybert what you said, when here i believe it says "Aftermarket ends come with spacers and MORE THREADS to give additional steering angle" idk, maybe i dont read so well?
thanks nissan4u for actual info, not just a retard trying to make people look dumb.

Flybert · 09-12-2006, 08:54 PM

Like he said, you get additional angle from the spacers that go between the inner tie rod and the rack. Just order some spacers from splparts.com for $10 or whatever they sell for.

ondatdryftonyte · 09-12-2006, 09:10 PM

sooo sad if so!!! when i compared the s13, and s14 tie rods, the s13s threads were noticeably longer than the s14s by about a pencil eraser size. i know they gave me more angle, but i want extreme angle, how do i go abouts that? if anyone has a similar tie rod setup lmk, or if your pretty knowledgable about it, post. oh and if this has been discussed before flame me, then hand me the link! lol.
thanks
DORIDORI FOSHORI

Flybert · 09-12-2006, 09:53 PM

Did you read anything that we posted? Having more threads doens't give you more angle. Try learning to read before you try and figure out how to get more angle out of your tie rods.

Nizzan4u2nv · 09-12-2006, 09:56 PM

The small spacing provided by the spl spacers or some inner tie rods is enough. Anymore then that and your going over center. Its not the ends that give steering angle, its the part that connect to the rack that does.

Nizzan4u2nv · 09-12-2006, 10:27 PM

I think he meant inners. Some inners have built spacers so you dont need the kind that spl sells.

SPL has outers with spacers for bumpsteer adjustment only but not for steering angle.

arian23 · 09-13-2006, 12:49 AM

who has better rods? tein or spl?

Nizzan4u2nv · 09-13-2006, 12:56 AM

SPL sells oem z32 inners. Theyre beefier then stock s14. Tein are stock replacements.

driftkid316 · 09-13-2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nizzan4u2nv

SPL sells oem z32 inners. Theyre beefier then stock s14. Tein are stock replacements.

i got tein tie rods and kts ends. so since i got tein, this means its same as stock since theyre stock replacement? same angle as stock?

dorifto-san4o8 · 09-13-2006, 01:21 AM

on spl's website it says the spacers are not safe for street use. does anyone run them for daily driving? i should of jes got them anyways when i bought my inner and outter rods from spl. now i gotta take it apart again and get my car alighned. dammit!

Nizzan4u2nv · 09-13-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dorifto-san4o8

on spl's website it says the spacers are not safe for street use. does anyone run them for daily driving? i should of jes got them anyways when i bought my inner and outter rods from spl. now i gotta take it apart again and get my car alighned. dammit!

Where did you see that? The only reason they probably say that is because of added bumpsteer, altered steering ratio, or the fact that you have less area threaded into the rack.

dorifto-san4o8 · 09-13-2006, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nizzan4u2nv

Where did you see that? The only reason they probably say that is because of added bumpsteer, altered steering ratio, or the fact that you have less area threaded into the rack.

does adding those spacers give you a noticeable difference while drifting?

Flybert · 09-13-2006, 01:48 AM

Yeah, gives you a very noticeable difference.

dorifto-san4o8 · 09-13-2006, 01:51 AM

im gonna go order it right now from spl! just dreading to pay for another alighnment

*ManoNegra* · 09-13-2006, 01:06 PM

What's the rush to put spacers on?
I'd order the spacers and drive the car as is until I do enough suspension mods to warrant another alignment.

Nizzan4u2nv · 09-13-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ManoNegra

What's the rush to put spacers on?
I'd order the spacers and drive the car as is until I do enough suspension mods to warrant another alignment.

But, when he puts the spacers on, its gonna add toe in to whatever width the spacer is since hes spacing the tie rod away from the rack. Id just eyeball it for now.

Flybert · 09-13-2006, 03:29 PM

Just do the alignment yourself. Measure the current length and then set it and eyeball it to see if you got it right. Eyeball measure it again until you get it right. Works for me since i run same wheels and tires front and back. I'm just waiting until I get a cage and some rear toe arms. After that it's corner weight and alignment time.

ondatdryftonyte · 09-17-2006, 08:01 PM

so with my s14 tie rods, and kazama ends did i get more steering angle, if so, can i still get spacers, without too much spacing??? if you can get what im saying, lol

Nizzan4u2nv · 09-17-2006, 08:49 PM

I think it already says above. You dont get more angle from tie rod ends. Only if you have a spacer between the inner tie rod and steering rack. Some aftermarket inner tie rods have a built in spacer on the part that screws into the rack. You dont have anymore angle so buy the ones from spl. Or if youre broke, get creative at home depot or something.

ondatdryftonyte · 09-17-2006, 08:58 PM

well i dont know if this is the same question the third time, but...
is the s14 inner tie rod longer than the s13??? i have s14 tie rods on my s13

Flybert · 09-18-2006, 01:40 AM

Why do you care if it's longer? It doesn't make a difference if it is because you have to align the car anyways which adjusts the total length of the tie rod.

09-12-2006, 08:42 PM	#1
ondatdryftonyte Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: sw washington Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	tie rod setup i have stock s14 tie rods, w/ kazama s14 ends on my s13. my question is... is that just as much angle as s13 aftermarket tie rods w/ends. or can i do more with my s14 kazama ends? thanks -big poppa T __________________ "HEY theres wires sticking out of your tires, you should get those changed!!!" "THOSE???" "i've got like 3 more weeks on those!"

09-12-2006, 08:52 PM	#2
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SoCal Temecula Posts: 16,893 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	No that is not the same. Aftermarket ends come with spacers and more threads to give additional steering angle. __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

09-12-2006, 09:10 PM	#5
ondatdryftonyte Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: sw washington Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sooo sad if so!!! when i compared the s13, and s14 tie rods, the s13s threads were noticeably longer than the s14s by about a pencil eraser size. i know they gave me more angle, but i want extreme angle, how do i go abouts that? if anyone has a similar tie rod setup lmk, or if your pretty knowledgable about it, post. oh and if this has been discussed before flame me, then hand me the link! lol. thanks DORIDORI FOSHORI __________________ "HEY theres wires sticking out of your tires, you should get those changed!!!" "THOSE???" "i've got like 3 more weeks on those!"

09-12-2006, 09:56 PM	#7
Nizzan4u2nv Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 1,226 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	The small spacing provided by the spl spacers or some inner tie rods is enough. Anymore then that and your going over center. Its not the ends that give steering angle, its the part that connect to the rack that does. __________________

09-12-2006, 10:27 PM	#8
Nizzan4u2nv Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 1,226 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I think he meant inners. Some inners have built spacers so you dont need the kind that spl sells. SPL has outers with spacers for bumpsteer adjustment only but not for steering angle. __________________

09-12-2006, 08:54 PM	#4
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Like he said, you get additional angle from the spacers that go between the inner tie rod and the rack. Just order some spacers from splparts.com for $10 or whatever they sell for.

09-12-2006, 09:53 PM	#6
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Did you read anything that we posted? Having more threads doens't give you more angle. Try learning to read before you try and figure out how to get more angle out of your tie rods.

09-13-2006, 12:49 AM	#9
arian23 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Mateo CA/Northridge, CA Age: 40 Posts: 186 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	who has better rods? tein or spl?

09-13-2006, 12:56 AM	#10
Nizzan4u2nv Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 1,226 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	SPL sells oem z32 inners. Theyre beefier then stock s14. Tein are stock replacements. __________________

09-13-2006, 01:21 AM	#12
dorifto-san4o8 Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: san jose, CA Posts: 349 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	on spl's website it says the spacers are not safe for street use. does anyone run them for daily driving? i should of jes got them anyways when i bought my inner and outter rods from spl. now i gotta take it apart again and get my car alighned. dammit!

09-13-2006, 01:48 AM	#15
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Yeah, gives you a very noticeable difference.

09-13-2006, 01:51 AM	#16
dorifto-san4o8 Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: san jose, CA Posts: 349 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im gonna go order it right now from spl! just dreading to pay for another alighnment

09-13-2006, 01:06 PM	#17
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	What's the rush to put spacers on? I'd order the spacers and drive the car as is until I do enough suspension mods to warrant another alignment.

09-13-2006, 03:29 PM	#19
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Just do the alignment yourself. Measure the current length and then set it and eyeball it to see if you got it right. Eyeball measure it again until you get it right. Works for me since i run same wheels and tires front and back. I'm just waiting until I get a cage and some rear toe arms. After that it's corner weight and alignment time.

09-17-2006, 08:01 PM	#20
ondatdryftonyte Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: sw washington Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so with my s14 tie rods, and kazama ends did i get more steering angle, if so, can i still get spacers, without too much spacing??? if you can get what im saying, lol __________________ "HEY theres wires sticking out of your tires, you should get those changed!!!" "THOSE???" "i've got like 3 more weeks on those!"

09-17-2006, 08:49 PM	#21
Nizzan4u2nv Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 1,226 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I think it already says above. You dont get more angle from tie rod ends. Only if you have a spacer between the inner tie rod and steering rack. Some aftermarket inner tie rods have a built in spacer on the part that screws into the rack. You dont have anymore angle so buy the ones from spl. Or if youre broke, get creative at home depot or something. __________________

09-17-2006, 08:58 PM	#22
ondatdryftonyte Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: sw washington Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well i dont know if this is the same question the third time, but... is the s14 inner tie rod longer than the s13??? i have s14 tie rods on my s13 __________________ "HEY theres wires sticking out of your tires, you should get those changed!!!" "THOSE???" "i've got like 3 more weeks on those!"

09-18-2006, 01:40 AM	#23
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Why do you care if it's longer? It doesn't make a difference if it is because you have to align the car anyways which adjusts the total length of the tie rod.