S&W roll cages any info will help.... - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

hotlavaflow · 02-06-2008, 10:00 AM

http://www.swracecars.com/shopdispla...;26+Roll+Cages

Does anyone here actually have one of these cages and if so can I get a review of it? 10pt or 6pt doesn't matter. I've searched and found little to no info. on these. Just smart-a$$ comments like if they don't cost a lot they can't be good.

Just trying to get some research done and no I'm not dropping $2000 plus on a custom cage so please don't suggest it. I just need this info before I purchase an Autopower 4pt.

**UPDATE**

Just got off the phone with them and they do provide the 8pt cage for the S13 in DOM for $399 SCCA legal. 10pt $499.

upSLIDEdown · 02-06-2008, 10:08 AM

S&W has been making cages and chassis parts for YEARS. My dad has been drag racing since I was young, and he's been using there stuff for quite some time. I think his current vehicle is backhalfed with S&W parts actually.

zoomswimmer · 02-06-2008, 10:18 AM

Do you know the difference between the D.O.M, mild steel, and moly? I know that they are make from different materials, but what's the different in terms of strength? How come you aren't going for the 10pt?

coolcatracing · 02-06-2008, 10:27 AM

Moly is stronger and lighter. Cages should only be made from it or .120 DOM. Plenty of people use .90 DOM and it works but personally my life is worth more than $200 difference. If its an occasional track car the DOM is your best bet as its inexpensive and still plenty strong, dedicated tracks cars are still fine with it but you may be concerned enough about the weight to spend the money on the Moly steel.

Nikeboy355 · 02-06-2008, 10:36 AM

There are a few people that I have seen that run their kits and they look great...

I'd completely consider getting on... The chromoly kit though for a couple hundred more...

bloodangels13 · 02-06-2008, 11:05 AM

Im currently running a modded S&W cage in my prac drift car/ DD s13 coupe. i had the halo redone by a local cage shop ( Piper motorsports) so it was 5 1/2 inch wider and had them bend the ends inward to meet the org. S&w main loop... i also used what was org. the dash bar as the diag bar from the top corner of the mainloop to the opposing side floor. I still have yet to make door bars but in all im was happy with the kit and it decreased alot of money and time otherwise.... me and my Dad did the nessasary cuting, notching, and weld ourselves ( third cage my Dad has done) and im super happy with how it turned out

zoomswimmer · 02-06-2008, 10:48 AM

I can't find any of the Nissan roll cages except in the mild steel section. Did you call them and see if it could be done? I'm thinking about getting a 10pt one. So the moly is only 0.083". Is that enough? The D.O.M. is 0.120. They both are the same price, so if the moly is lighter and still just as strong, I might go with it. Does anyone know off the top of their heads if these are SCCA and NACA legal?

McRussellPants · 02-06-2008, 11:16 AM

SW Cages fit better than Autopower but thats about it.

Chromoly isn't SCCA Legal due to poor welding making it brittle. not really an issue since this isn't 1970 but SCCA is retarded.

Seam welded mild isn't legal either, although technically DOM is seam welded then twisted. Nobody really checks for seams though and they're easy enough to hide.

SW Cages were never intended to be SCCA Legal so they don't come with a main hoop diagonal, maybe its an option, I haven't seen one though.

99.9% of 240SXs will need 1.5 x.120 to be within the rules. If somehow you manage to get under 2200lbs IIRC you can run .93 wall.

hotlavaflow · 02-06-2008, 02:42 PM

The 240sx cages are on the website when you go under DOM or Moly you have to click on next page and keep going till about page 10. I did call them as well though because I didn't see it either. When I spoke to them they said they could make it SCCA legal if need be.

From what I'm hearing I'm gonna go with this over the Autopower because it's def. a better base. With some mods I can have a pretty nice cage.

bloodangels13 - Do you have any pics? I have the same car and want to do just what you did. I have a sunroof don't know know if you do too or if that matters with their design.

Their DOM cages are 1 3/4" x .120" wall 8pt/10pt
Their Moly cages are 1 5/8" x .083 wall 10pt, 1 3/4" x .083" 8pt

I'm going with DOM so it should be fine for the S13. I've looked for places that accept Moly but they want it thicker. Like Formula D and D1 want everything at .095 wall. And as McRussellPants pointed out SCCA won't allow it.

gunluvS14 · 05-30-2008, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

Chromoly isn't SCCA Legal due to poor welding making it brittle. not really an issue since this isn't 1970 but SCCA is retarded.

just a side note, poor welding doesn't make chromoly brittle, any welding on 4030 steel will make them brittle, you just have to anneal it afterward.

McRussellPants · 02-06-2008, 02:51 PM

2201 - 3000 lbs.
1.500” x 0.120” Seamless mild steel (DOM)
1.625” x 0.120” Seamless mild steel (DOM)
1.750” x 0.095” Seamless mild steel (DOM)

That should be SCCA rule. 1.75x.120 is a pretty husky bar, I seemed to remember that stuff weighing a ton. you could run like 6 bends in the mainhoop and noone would care with that size.

The SW stuff fits with the interior in so you might have to mess with it alot to make it work right.

if you could get your car to weigh under 2200 you could use 1.5x.095 but nobody has gotten an S13 that light yet.

hotlavaflow · 02-06-2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

2201 - 3000 lbs.
1.500” x 0.120” Seamless mild steel (DOM)
1.625” x 0.120” Seamless mild steel (DOM)
1.750” x 0.095” Seamless mild steel (DOM)

That should be SCCA rule. 1.75x.120 is a pretty husky bar, I seemed to remember that stuff weighing a ton. you could run like 6 bends in the mainhoop and noone would care with that size.

The SW stuff fits with the interior in so you might have to mess with it alot to make it work right.

if you could get your car to weigh under 2200 you could use 1.5x.095 but nobody has gotten an S13 that light yet.

Thanks man I was just going through the rule book to try and find that info.

slideways2004 · 02-06-2008, 07:24 PM

i'm probablt gonna purchase one when i get started on my s14

LongGrain · 02-06-2008, 02:56 PM

does anyone have pics of their S-chassis with an S&W cage. i would like to see how they look. right now my first choice is cusco/safety21 followed by custom. the autopower 4pt bars are ok, but i dont like their full cage design.

mobceo · 02-06-2008, 07:40 PM

i have one and i love it

LongGrain · 02-06-2008, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobceo

i have one and i love it

you should post up some pics.

hotlavaflow · 02-06-2008, 08:32 PM

Somebody please post up some pics. This money is burning a hole in my pocket.

*TougeLabs* · 03-05-2008, 01:13 AM

I ordered my 10pt for my s14 also going to add some fun to it but will post piks when i get it in

240esux · 03-05-2008, 01:22 AM

yeah true, moly is lighter but i heard they really dont have much flex and they break/shatter under impact.
just my 2 cents

down_shift · 03-05-2008, 01:43 AM

This is Dennis George's comments on his S&W cage for his NOPI S3 Wanli team drift car:

"love the cage, this was done in one day, mothers day in fact. S&W Racecars are awesome.... www.swracecars.com these guys seriously kick ass. This cage can be bought as a kit that you have to weld in yourself. You get all the tubing prebent and ready to weld with some notching and fitting."

"Oh yeah, the cage is made from 1.75 in, 0.120 wall thickness, DOM tubing."

"I got a price on the cage that is in my car for those who were asking.

With a standard single sidebar on both the driverside and the passengerside, sloping down like my passengerside. Its $590 plus shipping, shipping to Atlanta is $100.

With the nascar style sidebar, its $75 more.

You will get all the pieces already bent and longer than you need. You measure and cut, then notch and spot weld. I can help anyone who needs it, as I did the first cage myself in my garage with my mig welder. I obviously did ok, cause the cage saved my life/legs. Honestly, had it been an autopower cage, I would not be walking right now, that I am 100% sure of seeing as the car hit directly at the firewall straight at my feet.

These guys can make it and ship it pretty quick."

and some pics

this is from his previous car:

"This is the first cage I got from them that I put in myself. It took me a while to notch the tubes and fit it perfectly."

*TougeLabs* · 03-11-2008, 02:04 PM

For whom ever negatively repped me stating i did not order the cage your correct next time i will do my best to be certain that my aunt does not go in to a comma. Now that i am back home i will be making my purchase. but thank you. This forum is a fucking joke and lives only to put down ppl.
Boot me what ever Im tired of rep system and ppl that try to give me good reps are not allowed to. But once again thanks

*TougeLabs* · 03-27-2008, 02:43 PM

Cage is ordered the guys at S&W are fantastic. Really go above and beyond to make sure your getting what you want. They took the time even to make sure they built the cage to scta specs. Cant wait to get this in my car
KILLER PRICES AND EVEN BETTER COSTUMER SERVICE!!!

i need tires · 03-27-2008, 07:15 PM

what was the final price? and what did you get? im interested in gettin a cage from these guys also!

*TougeLabs* · 03-28-2008, 01:32 AM

it came out to be 730 with the nascar style side bar and i had to go with the strongest stuff they have due to SCTA regulations and the fact that i dont want to die at bonneville

They have alot of options check out the site. Dennis had me contact a gentleman named Scott he was the man i look forward to working with them in the future...

*TougeLabs* · 03-28-2008, 01:38 AM

When it comes down to it a cage is the best mod but spend your money for the right reason its not for the look caugh caugh "Cusco" these will actually do the job. I will post some piks in 2 weeks when i get the cage, im actually going to drive down to S&W to pick it up...And check them out

And thanks to those comments guys! i'm happy to see we still have a few ppl on zilvia that are not tools

hotlavaflow · 03-28-2008, 12:17 PM

Are they charging you a fee for pick up or are you really saving 100% on the shipping? I didn't even think about picking it up myself I'm def. gonna do the same thing. It looks like it's just a 2.5 hour drive for us NYers.

So basically 10pt DOM tubing with nascar style side bar (on both sides?)

Oh yeah, let me know who puts in it for you. I was gonna let RPM NYC do mine but I'm open to suggestions.

*TougeLabs* · 03-28-2008, 06:20 PM

well if you want man take a ride with me call up and order it and we can go down and pick it up together im in no rush i can wait a week for yours to be done split gas and tolls and buy me food lol and we got a deal...let me know man im in westchester.

O and yes im saving 100% on shipping, Like i said these guys are cool as hell just tell them you want the same cage i have but with the nascar on the left side not the right ! lol

*TougeLabs* · 03-28-2008, 06:28 PM

Im still trying to figure that out a guy makes first car chassis in town hes nasty i just need to call around n figure some stuff out

i need tires · 03-28-2008, 07:01 PM

nice to hear man! whats our name so i can let them know i need the same cage you have. You drive a s14 right? so i need nascar bars on left side and diagonal bar going opposite way from your then?

*TougeLabs* · 03-29-2008, 08:02 PM

I have a rhd s14 but tell them Joe Hansen ask for Scott hes the man !

02-06-2008, 10:00 AM	#1
hotlavaflow Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BKLYN NYC Posts: 1,263 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	S&W roll cages any info will help.... http://www.swracecars.com/shopdispla...;26+Roll+Cages Does anyone here actually have one of these cages and if so can I get a review of it? 10pt or 6pt doesn't matter. I've searched and found little to no info. on these. Just smart-a$$ comments like if they don't cost a lot they can't be good. Just trying to get some research done and no I'm not dropping $2000 plus on a custom cage so please don't suggest it. I just need this info before I purchase an Autopower 4pt. UPDATE Just got off the phone with them and they do provide the 8pt cage for the S13 in DOM for $399 SCCA legal. 10pt $499. __________________ Last edited by hotlavaflow; 02-06-2008 at 10:22 AM..

02-06-2008, 10:08 AM	#2
upSLIDEdown Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,730 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	S&W has been making cages and chassis parts for YEARS. My dad has been drag racing since I was young, and he's been using there stuff for quite some time. I think his current vehicle is backhalfed with S&W parts actually. __________________

02-06-2008, 10:36 AM	#5
Nikeboy355 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 45 Posts: 734 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There are a few people that I have seen that run their kits and they look great... I'd completely consider getting on... The chromoly kit though for a couple hundred more... __________________ http://respectvolkracing.blogspot.com/

02-06-2008, 11:16 AM	#8
McRussellPants Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 2,168 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SW Cages fit better than Autopower but thats about it. Chromoly isn't SCCA Legal due to poor welding making it brittle. not really an issue since this isn't 1970 but SCCA is retarded. Seam welded mild isn't legal either, although technically DOM is seam welded then twisted. Nobody really checks for seams though and they're easy enough to hide. SW Cages were never intended to be SCCA Legal so they don't come with a main hoop diagonal, maybe its an option, I haven't seen one though. 99.9% of 240SXs will need 1.5 x.120 to be within the rules. If somehow you manage to get under 2200lbs IIRC you can run .93 wall. Last edited by McRussellPants; 02-06-2008 at 02:49 PM..

02-06-2008, 02:42 PM	#9
hotlavaflow Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BKLYN NYC Posts: 1,263 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	The 240sx cages are on the website when you go under DOM or Moly you have to click on next page and keep going till about page 10. I did call them as well though because I didn't see it either. When I spoke to them they said they could make it SCCA legal if need be. From what I'm hearing I'm gonna go with this over the Autopower because it's def. a better base. With some mods I can have a pretty nice cage. bloodangels13 - Do you have any pics? I have the same car and want to do just what you did. I have a sunroof don't know know if you do too or if that matters with their design. Their DOM cages are 1 3/4" x .120" wall 8pt/10pt Their Moly cages are 1 5/8" x .083 wall 10pt, 1 3/4" x .083" 8pt I'm going with DOM so it should be fine for the S13. I've looked for places that accept Moly but they want it thicker. Like Formula D and D1 want everything at .095 wall. And as McRussellPants pointed out SCCA won't allow it. __________________

02-06-2008, 10:18 AM	#3
zoomswimmer Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Age: 37 Posts: 133 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Do you know the difference between the D.O.M, mild steel, and moly? I know that they are make from different materials, but what's the different in terms of strength? How come you aren't going for the 10pt?

02-06-2008, 10:27 AM	#4
coolcatracing Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Macon, GA Posts: 173 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Moly is stronger and lighter. Cages should only be made from it or .120 DOM. Plenty of people use .90 DOM and it works but personally my life is worth more than $200 difference. If its an occasional track car the DOM is your best bet as its inexpensive and still plenty strong, dedicated tracks cars are still fine with it but you may be concerned enough about the weight to spend the money on the Moly steel.

02-06-2008, 10:48 AM	#7
zoomswimmer Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Age: 37 Posts: 133 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I can't find any of the Nissan roll cages except in the mild steel section. Did you call them and see if it could be done? I'm thinking about getting a 10pt one. So the moly is only 0.083". Is that enough? The D.O.M. is 0.120. They both are the same price, so if the moly is lighter and still just as strong, I might go with it. Does anyone know off the top of their heads if these are SCCA and NACA legal?

02-06-2008, 02:51 PM	#11
McRussellPants Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 2,168 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	2201 - 3000 lbs. 1.500” x 0.120” Seamless mild steel (DOM) 1.625” x 0.120” Seamless mild steel (DOM) 1.750” x 0.095” Seamless mild steel (DOM) That should be SCCA rule. 1.75x.120 is a pretty husky bar, I seemed to remember that stuff weighing a ton. you could run like 6 bends in the mainhoop and noone would care with that size. The SW stuff fits with the interior in so you might have to mess with it alot to make it work right. if you could get your car to weigh under 2200 you could use 1.5x.095 but nobody has gotten an S13 that light yet.

02-06-2008, 07:24 PM	#13
slideways2004 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Age: 38 Posts: 1,706 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	i'm probablt gonna purchase one when i get started on my s14 __________________ http://essencegarage.wordpress.com/

02-06-2008, 02:56 PM	#14
LongGrain Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,741 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	does anyone have pics of their S-chassis with an S&W cage. i would like to see how they look. right now my first choice is cusco/safety21 followed by custom. the autopower 4pt bars are ok, but i dont like their full cage design.

02-06-2008, 07:40 PM	#15
mobceo Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: memphis Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have one and i love it

02-06-2008, 08:32 PM	#17
hotlavaflow Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BKLYN NYC Posts: 1,263 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Somebody please post up some pics. This money is burning a hole in my pocket. __________________

03-05-2008, 01:13 AM	#18
TougeLabs Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Age: 39 Posts: 1,570 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I ordered my 10pt for my s14 also going to add some fun to it but will post piks when i get it in

03-05-2008, 01:22 AM	#19
240esux Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: rialto. Posts: 354 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	yeah true, moly is lighter but i heard they really dont have much flex and they break/shatter under impact. just my 2 cents

03-05-2008, 01:43 AM	#20
down_shift Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ATL Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	This is Dennis George's comments on his S&W cage for his NOPI S3 Wanli team drift car: "love the cage, this was done in one day, mothers day in fact. S&W Racecars are awesome.... www.swracecars.com these guys seriously kick ass. This cage can be bought as a kit that you have to weld in yourself. You get all the tubing prebent and ready to weld with some notching and fitting." "Oh yeah, the cage is made from 1.75 in, 0.120 wall thickness, DOM tubing." "I got a price on the cage that is in my car for those who were asking. With a standard single sidebar on both the driverside and the passengerside, sloping down like my passengerside. Its $590 plus shipping, shipping to Atlanta is $100. With the nascar style sidebar, its $75 more. You will get all the pieces already bent and longer than you need. You measure and cut, then notch and spot weld. I can help anyone who needs it, as I did the first cage myself in my garage with my mig welder. I obviously did ok, cause the cage saved my life/legs. Honestly, had it been an autopower cage, I would not be walking right now, that I am 100% sure of seeing as the car hit directly at the firewall straight at my feet. These guys can make it and ship it pretty quick." and some pics this is from his previous car: "This is the first cage I got from them that I put in myself. It took me a while to notch the tubes and fit it perfectly."

03-11-2008, 02:04 PM	#21
TougeLabs Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Age: 39 Posts: 1,570 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	For whom ever negatively repped me stating i did not order the cage your correct next time i will do my best to be certain that my aunt does not go in to a comma. Now that i am back home i will be making my purchase. but thank you. This forum is a fucking joke and lives only to put down ppl. Boot me what ever Im tired of rep system and ppl that try to give me good reps are not allowed to. But once again thanks

03-27-2008, 02:43 PM	#22
TougeLabs Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Age: 39 Posts: 1,570 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Cage is ordered the guys at S&W are fantastic. Really go above and beyond to make sure your getting what you want. They took the time even to make sure they built the cage to scta specs. Cant wait to get this in my car KILLER PRICES AND EVEN BETTER COSTUMER SERVICE!!!

03-27-2008, 07:15 PM	#23
i need tires Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chandler, Az Age: 38 Posts: 1,056 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	what was the final price? and what did you get? im interested in gettin a cage from these guys also! __________________ JadeCantDrift Blogspot

03-28-2008, 01:32 AM	#24
TougeLabs Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Age: 39 Posts: 1,570 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	it came out to be 730 with the nascar style side bar and i had to go with the strongest stuff they have due to SCTA regulations and the fact that i dont want to die at bonneville They have alot of options check out the site. Dennis had me contact a gentleman named Scott he was the man i look forward to working with them in the future...

03-28-2008, 01:38 AM	#25
TougeLabs Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Age: 39 Posts: 1,570 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	When it comes down to it a cage is the best mod but spend your money for the right reason its not for the look caugh caugh "Cusco" these will actually do the job. I will post some piks in 2 weeks when i get the cage, im actually going to drive down to S&W to pick it up...And check them out And thanks to those comments guys! i'm happy to see we still have a few ppl on zilvia that are not tools

03-28-2008, 12:17 PM	#26
hotlavaflow Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BKLYN NYC Posts: 1,263 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Are they charging you a fee for pick up or are you really saving 100% on the shipping? I didn't even think about picking it up myself I'm def. gonna do the same thing. It looks like it's just a 2.5 hour drive for us NYers. So basically 10pt DOM tubing with nascar style side bar (on both sides?) Oh yeah, let me know who puts in it for you. I was gonna let RPM NYC do mine but I'm open to suggestions. __________________

03-28-2008, 06:20 PM	#27
TougeLabs Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Age: 39 Posts: 1,570 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	well if you want man take a ride with me call up and order it and we can go down and pick it up together im in no rush i can wait a week for yours to be done split gas and tolls and buy me food lol and we got a deal...let me know man im in westchester. O and yes im saving 100% on shipping, Like i said these guys are cool as hell just tell them you want the same cage i have but with the nascar on the left side not the right ! lol

03-28-2008, 06:28 PM	#28
TougeLabs Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Age: 39 Posts: 1,570 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Im still trying to figure that out a guy makes first car chassis in town hes nasty i just need to call around n figure some stuff out

03-28-2008, 07:01 PM	#29
i need tires Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chandler, Az Age: 38 Posts: 1,056 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	nice to hear man! whats our name so i can let them know i need the same cage you have. You drive a s14 right? so i need nascar bars on left side and diagonal bar going opposite way from your then? __________________ JadeCantDrift Blogspot

03-29-2008, 08:02 PM	#30
TougeLabs Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Age: 39 Posts: 1,570 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I have a rhd s14 but tell them Joe Hansen ask for Scott hes the man !