Prop 8 yes or no

[s13 @ fullboost]

What do you guys think about Prop 8? If you vote YES it means No legal homosexual marriage if you vote NO it means legal homosexual marriage. I want to know what you guys and girls think about this =] Vote away


**Please remember to be considerate of other people this forum is public so make your reply's Politically correct /responsible please =]**

[twotoes]

im not a fan of gay dudes, gay chicks are hot (yeah its a fucked up view but i cant help it lol) But i dont have a problem with two dudes or two chicks getting married.

People say that it should stay a sacred bond between a man and a woman but with the majority of marriages ending in divorce now days whats so sacred anymore?

[vodka2]

i dont care if they get married becuase in every religious book they go to hell.

[twotoes]

Originally Posted by vodka2

i dont care if they get married becuase in every religious book they go to hell.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[soreballz]

No.
No.
FUCK NO.

The "Yes on 8" commericals piss me off. So many lies...

Gay people should be able to get married and be miserable like the rest of us.

[s13 @ fullboost]

This is good guys keep it up

[SexPanda]

why not let them get married? Its making it out to be some religious thing... But oh wait, whats that one thing called... oh yeah, the CONSTITUTION. What ever happened to seperation of church and state. In the purely constitutional sense in looking at it, there's no reason. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Its 2 consenting adults, let them do what they want to.

And if it wasnt for the gay guys, I'd have no idea how to look good on a date.

[twotoes]

Originally Posted by SexPanda

And if it wasnt for the gay guys, I'd have no idea how to look good on a date.

omg this thread is so fucking funny ^^^ thanks for the new signature kile!

[180f!xherUp]

Originally Posted by SexPanda

why not let them get married? Its making it out to be some religious thing... But oh wait, whats that one thing called... oh yeah, the CONSTITUTION. What ever happened to seperation of church and state. In the purely constitutional sense in looking at it, there's no reason. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Its 2 consenting adults, let them do what they want to.

And if it wasnt for the gay guys, I'd have no idea how to look good on a date.

LOL.... i agree, except the last part...

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

most arguments used to go against gay marriges are the same ones used when blacks and whites first started to get together!

if it is religion that people choose to hide behind as they reason they are against it, then they aren't following god's rule of love all as equals. we have no right to judge people and their actions. that is what god would do for us!

[ZipTiedCoupe]

^~~Wrong. Bible says as the 2nd greatest commandment that you are to love thy neighbor. Also talks about marriage as a sacred covenant and should be shared by a MAN AND A WOMAN. You can love people, but you dont hav to love what they do.

lol, the constitution was drafted by Christians.

Christians, Me being one, believe in no homosexual marriages. I know its not right.

I voted against Homosexual Marriages.

[brian(na8c)]

Werd with ziptiedcoup... other than being politically correct, at which point are we allowed to say,"this is'nt right or acceptable in our society". if they want to have equal rights with traditionaly married couples so they can visit eachother at the hospital or whatever, fine. you can say,"oh well it doesnt affect me" but I dont want my kids being force fed this stuff, being told theyre intollerant because God says this isnt the way to live. I just think society needs some boundries...for the good of ALL, not just because I love Jesus

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

^~~Wrong. Bible says as the 2nd greatest commandment that you are to love thy neighbor. Also talks about marriage as a sacred covenant and should be shared by a MAN AND A WOMAN. You can love people, but you dont hav to love what they do.

lol, the constitution was drafted by Christians.

Christians, Me being one, believe in no homosexual marriages. I know its not right.

I voted against Homosexual Marriages.

Originally Posted by brian(na8c)

Werd with ziptiedcoup... other than being politically correct, at which point are we allowed to say,"this is'nt right or acceptable in our society". if they want to have equal rights with traditionaly married couples so they can visit eachother at the hospital or whatever, fine. you can say,"oh well it doesnt affect me" but I dont want my kids being force fed this stuff, being told theyre intollerant because God says this isnt the way to live. I just think society needs some boundries...for the good of ALL, not just because I love Jesus

since when they start force feeding it to children? do you expect the schools to start teaching gay relationships are the only way have a normal relationship?


and are both of you oppsed to teaching natural selection and the universe being started by a "big bang" since it isn't the bible? do you both believe that the theory of evoluion shouldn't be taught aswell?

[hitman]

Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

^~~Wrong. Bible says as the 2nd greatest commandment that you are to love thy neighbor. Also talks about marriage as a sacred covenant and should be shared by a MAN AND A WOMAN. You can love people, but you dont hav to love what they do.

lol, the constitution was drafted by Christians.

Christians, Me being one, believe in no homosexual marriages. I know its not right.

I voted against Homosexual Marriages.

not all the founders of the constitution were christians. a few of them were deists- hamilton and franklin for example.

if you dont believe in god i dont see how you could vote yes on this.
im voting no, i dont give a shit if they get married or not.
im sure it would make gay people a lot more happy than it would make conservative straight people unhappy.
furthermore if you seriously have a problem with this, you have no problems, and might be retarded.

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

but what you are also voting for is healthcare covarge for the partner, child custody battles, last will and testimant payouts.

there is alot more at stake to many of these couples than just getting the ceramony official!

[articdragon192]

Originally Posted by ALEXTHESUS*PECT

but what you are also voting for is healthcare covarge for the partner, child custody battles, last will and testimant payouts.

there is alot more at stake to many of these couples than just getting the ceramony official!

This is the main thing for why this should get passed.

[brian(na8c)]

Hmm, if your are all about natural selection and survival of the fittest... tell me where homosexuality fits in... i dont believe theyre a "genetic abnormality" its like everything in life a concious choice... and one thats being fed more and more by society.. why would they choose a straight relationship when they were raised being told, "go for it, its cool"? Our Judeo-christian heritage is what MADE this nation... we toss it; we go the way of every other great society..

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by brian(na8c)

Hmm, if your are all about natural selection and survival of the fittest... tell me where homosexuality fits in... i dont believe theyre a "genetic abnormality" its like everything in life a concious choice... and one thats being fed more and more by society.. why would they choose a straight relationship when they were raised being told, "go for it, its cool"? Our Judeo-christian heritage is what MADE this nation... we toss it; we go the way of every other great society..

Conscious choice? Dude you think people decide to become ostracized? Discriminated against? Ridiculed by the likes of people like you? You think people feel its cool to be gay?
Man take off the rosy glasses, put down the bible you have mistinterpreted and wake the fuck up. You be smoking that middle American right wing christian bullshit.

I was raised Roman Catholic,aka Christian. I do not follow the church per se but I do believe in the existance of God and pratice spirituality.

Fact is and this is written in the bible. "Judge not lest ye be Judged"

In other words its really not our place to condemn others. Of course being human and prone to sin we do. I suggest you try not. I try not to.
If you really are Christian you must also realize Jesus accepted all regardless. Now did God intend people to be gay? No, but see God's great creation is set up to have variables.
Oh and I do believe in evolution and God and Evolution can coexist.

Oh and yes I am not gay, but I know gays and they have said before that they did not ask to be gay. I.E. it was something they were born feeling! Not a choice. If you think its choice well then your pretty damn ignorant and blinded by the church goers around you.

Please take your bigotry somewhere else because thats what your statement amounts to.

Oh and for the smart ass who sat there and said we can start a separate bible and beliefs thread? Wow you have not been here that long have you? Its already been covered numerous times in numerous threads. In other words your a typical noob who does not bother to read before posting.

[ZipTiedCoupe]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Fact is and this is written in the bible. "Judge not lest ye be Judged"

In other words its really not our place to condemn others. Of course being human and prone to sin we do. I suggest you try not. I try not to.
If you really are Christian you must also realize Jesus accepted all regardless. Now did God intend people to be gay? No, but see God's great creation is set up to have variables.
Oh and I do believe in evolution and God and Evolution can coexist.

Drift, calm down bro. I didnt want to get OFF TOPIC in the guys thread. I dont go searching for Bible Threads on a NISSAN website?

Judge not lest ye be Judged. I AM NOT JUDGING.I am in NO wayhating on homosexuals. In my religon, its not right to have homosexual beliefs. I said I do not support it. I have gay friends. I know gay people. I do not treat them any different then other friends. I just merely do not support it. I will not support politicians who are for it. It is my personal worldview and its my right to support what I believe in.

This is why I will be voting this November.

Cant we all just be friends?

[Future240]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Conscious choice? Dude you think people decide to become ostracized? Discriminated against? Ridiculed by the likes of people like you? You think people feel its cool to be gay?
Man take off the rosy glasses, put down the bible you have mistinterpreted and wake the fuck up. You be smoking that middle American right wing christian bullshit.

I was raised Roman Catholic,aka Christian. I do not follow the church per se but I do believe in the existance of God and pratice spirituality.

Fact is and this is written in the bible. "Judge not lest ye be Judged"

In other words its really not our place to condemn others. Of course being human and prone to sin we do. I suggest you try not. I try not to.
If you really are Christian you must also realize Jesus accepted all regardless. Now did God intend people to be gay? No, but see God's great creation is set up to have variables.
Oh and I do believe in evolution and God and Evolution can coexist.

Oh and yes I am not gay, but I know gays and they have said before that they did not ask to be gay. I.E. it was something they were born feeling! Not a choice. If you think its choice well then your pretty damn ignorant and blinded by the church goers around you.

Please take your bigotry somewhere else because thats what your statement amounts to.

I am almost speechless. I mean, you just summed up everything I believe in. This man deserves a round of applause, a beer and a fine bitch

[EDacIouSX]

Originally Posted by ALEXTHESUS*PECT

but what you are also voting for is healthcare covarge for the partner, child custody battles, last will and testimant payouts.

there is alot more at stake to many of these couples than just getting the ceramony official!

my problem with "gay marriage" is the fact its called gay marriage.

call it something else just dont call ir marriage.

[ZipTiedCoupe]

We can start a seperate bible and beliefs thread if you would like.

I am not going to ruin this mans poll thread with my Beliefs.


To answer your ? though,

The Big Bang theory is merely that, a theory. Same goes for evolution

I dont think it should be taught. This nation was founded upon Christian principles and it is my belief to restore those principles. I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children either. Think about what it does to the children when they grow up.

[spikNspan]

Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

We can start a seperate bible and beliefs thread if you would like.

I am not going to ruin this mans poll thread with my Beliefs.


To answer your ? though,

The Big Bang theory is merely that, a theory. Same goes for evolution

I dont think it should be taught. This nation was founded upon Christian principles and it is my belief to restore those principles. I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children either. Think about what it does to the children when they grow up.

fuck you. that is all.

oh yeah, and fuck the op for even starting this thread and also for telling me to be pc.

[s13 @ fullboost]

Originally Posted by spikNspan

fuck you. that is all.

oh yeah, and fuck the op for even starting this thread and also for telling me to be pc.

Dude why do you have to go and say that stuff do me a favor and please do not post in here anymore if you do not know how to talk/debate like a grown man then do not comment in this thread anymore thank you

[neoninja]

Originally Posted by spikNspan

fuck you. that is all.

oh yeah, and fuck the op for even starting this thread and also for telling me to be pc.

^^ that's just ignorant


Remember guys.... it's church AND state. You say that that church can't push their beliefs, but look what you are doing. Now state is pushing the church. We gotta work together and remember that we both have as much right and freedom. Why demonize someone because they don't believe in Homosexuality? People like to say they are so tolerant and they support gay-marriage blah blah... if that's the case then you should have nothing to say to people who feel opposite about it.

[soreballz]

Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

I am not going to ruin this mans poll thread with my Beliefs.

You already did.

[PhilthyS13]

Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

I dont think it should be taught. This nation was founded upon Christian principles and it is my belief to restore those principles. I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children either. Think about what it does to the children when they grow up.

True, our country was founded by Christians. Christians such as the Puritans who fled Europe to escape persecution by other Christians. That is why we have the separation of church and state - to prevent one religion from imposing its views on others. This measure is about civil marriages. Religions that refuse to recognize gay marriage can continue to do so.

In college I used to work at a group home for boys. They all had heterosexual parents. I saw their files and what their parents did to them. The thing that messed them up the most was the fact that the very people who were supposed to protect them were the ones hurting them. Heterosexual parents have the capacity to abuse children just as much as homosexual parents.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with how you raise children, you are apparently confusing pedophiles with homosexuals. Those are two very different things.


This is really about equal protection (meaning you can't treat one group differently from another). Yes, our country was founded on Christian principles. But it was also founded on slavery, an institution that was rationalized using those very same principles. Our society is constantly changing, and our Constitution changes with us. I don't think a return to 1787 is possible, feasible or even desirable.

[supportTHEezln]

Originally Posted by PhilthyS13

True, our country was founded by Christians. Christians such as the Puritans who fled Europe to escape persecution by other Christians. That is why we have the separation of church and state - to prevent one religion from imposing its views on others. This measure is about civil marriages. Religions that refuse to recognize gay marriage can continue to do so.

In college I used to work at a group home for boys. They all had heterosexual parents. I saw their files and what their parents did to them. The thing that messed them up the most was the fact that the very people who were supposed to protect them were the ones hurting them. Heterosexual parents have the capacity to abuse children just as much as homosexual parents.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with how you raise children, you are apparently confusing pedophiles with homosexuals. Those are two very different things.


This is really about equal protection (meaning you can't treat one group differently from another). Yes, our country was founded on Christian principles. But it was also founded on slavery, an institution that was rationalized using those very same principles. Our society is constantly changing, and our Constitution changes with us. I don't think a return to 1787 is possible, feasible or even desirable.

Read this thread, and this is definitely the best post.

Why the fuck would anyone want to dictate to another person who they can marry?
Also saying the country is "founded" on Christian principles doesn't make it a fucking Christian state. That's like saying "Oh, they meant to say everyone must obey the Bible...but when drafting the Constitution they forgot."

[jimmytango00]

Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

Think about what it does to the children when they grow up.

what will it do to the children? tell me please im curious... there are plenty of straight parents who raise some fucked up children. My parents raised me catholic and taught me that marriage between a man and woman was the right thing to do, but hey guess what.....Im gay! and the whole thing about the teacher asking the child about mommy and mommy, the reason shit like that happens is because society is so fucking closed minded to the idea of homosexuality, if we were more open then shit like that wouldn't happen.

[spikNspan]

I'm totally for gay marriage. Who are we to tell others who they can or can't marry? wtf is the difference anyways, I seriously can't believe anyone gives a shit about it, but that's just me.