REPORT: Corvette ZR1 matches Nissan GT-R around Nürburgring in Sport Auto test

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09-23-2009 12:29 PM

Filed under: Coupe, Etc., Europe, Chevrolet, Nissan

Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 - click above image for hi-res gallery

Ah... what's it been, three weeks since we mentioned a Nürburgring "record?" Well, rest easy friends, as this post has nothing to do with a "record." Instead, it's all about the time laid down at the 'Ring by Horst von Saurma, editor of Germany's Auto Sport. Herr von Saurma lends an air of credibility to these tests, as not only did he briefly race professionally, but his 'Ring results are generally taken seriously. For instance, his 7:32 in a Porsche Carrera GT was considered the production record until recently when Nissan and General Motors started bringing in factory hot shoes.

Anyhow, here's what Horst found: The Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 goes around the Nurburgring in 7:38 - the exact same amount of time it took him to hoof the Nissan GT-R around the circuit. Odd, you think? For the Nissan weighs almost 500 pounds more and gives up at least 100 horsepower to the Chevy. Not to mention around 165 lb-ft of torque. Yes, well, the 'Ring ain't a drag strip. And while big power helps, it's not the be-all and end-all. Both cars handle extremely well, but we're going to chock up the GT-R's impressive tie to an X factor. Namely, the twin-turbo Nissan is easier to flog at or around the limit than the supercharged Corvette - all-wheel drive helps in the dry, too, see?

And what about the issue that both manufacturers laid down 'Ring times in the 7:25 range? Well, it's within the margin of error you'd expect for a track as long as the Nürburgring, especially when the cars are driven on different days by different drivers. One more thing: Horst von Saurma laid down the Nissan's time in a 2009 model, and not in the new 2010 which features more power, better suspension and better brakes. Nor, for that matter, is it the Spec-V model. Just sayin'. Thanks to Wags for the tip!


Gallery: Review: 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1



Gallery: Review: 2010 Nissan GT-R



[Source: GTRblog]

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[ronmcdon]

That does make the testing somewhat more scientific.
Why limit comparisons of different cars just the same track?
Using the same driver for comparos, does eliminate another significant factor.

Still, it could be better.
Use multiple drivers (whom both get to drive the same car).
Test under similar road & weather conditions.
Try to have a 3rd party magazine not affliated with either manufacturer conduct the testing.
Test on different tracks with the same variables held constant.
It's hard to ensure complete objectivity, but a lot more measure could be made.

As stated in the article, the fact that the driver accomplished the same lap times could mean many things.
Could be that he's just more comfy with one car.
Could be that he's had more practice with one car.
Could be that one of the cars is more fine-tuned to a particular track.

Regardless, both automobiles are nothing short of masterpieces no question.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

That does make the testing somewhat more scientific.
Why limit comparisons of different cars just the same track?
Using the same driver for comparos, does eliminate another significant factor.

Still, it could be better.
Use multiple drivers (whom both get to drive the same car).
Test under similar road & weather conditions.
Try to have a 3rd party magazine not affliated with either manufacturer conduct the testing.
Test on different tracks with the same variables held constant.
It's hard to ensure complete objectivity, but a lot more measure could be made.

As stated in the article, the fact that the driver accomplished the same lap times could mean many things.
Could be that he's just more comfy with one car.
Could be that he's had more practice with one car.
Could be that one of the cars is more fine-tuned to a particular track.

Regardless, both automobiles are nothing short of masterpieces no question.

I would tend to agree though it still comes back to one sticking point. The ZR1 is by no means the average mans Corvette i.e. not entry level VS the GTR being the entry level version of the GTR. Like the article has stated and I ask how would the ZR1 hold up against a V spec or LM spec?

For that matter the GT2 itself is again not a entry level 911. Rather it being the higher up the ladder.

The same could be said for the ACR Viper. Its not your entry level Viper.

Until the manufacturers are willing to play fair . I am calling both GM and Porsche out on this, bring out out your entry level Corvette and 911 and see how they stack up against a GTR.

With that said the ZR1 is amazing the ACR Viper is amazing and the GT2 is amazing. In the end Nissan wins at price point. More car less money.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I would tend to agree though it still comes back to one sticking point. The ZR1 is by no means the average mans Corvette i.e. not entry level VS the GTR being the entry level version of the GTR. Like the article has stated and I ask how would the ZR1 hold up against a V spec or LM spec?

For that matter the GT2 itself is again not a entry level 911. Rather it being the higher up the ladder.

The same could be said for the ACR Viper. Its not your entry level Viper.

Until the manufacturers are willing to play fair . I am calling both GM and Porsche out on this, bring out out your entry level Corvette and 911 and see how they stack up against a GTR.

With that said the ZR1 is amazing the ACR Viper is amazing and the GT2 is amazing. In the end Nissan wins at price point. More car less money.

With Chevy, the Z06 would probably be more comparable to the GTR in price-range and power/weight ratio.
The base 40k-something vette (closest to something the average man could afford) wouldn't stand a chance.

With Dodge, IIRC, for the 09's, the 90k ACR's were already the cheapest Viper.
Dodge - 2009 Viper - Sports Car, Roadster, Sports Coupe

Reading about the R35 V-spec, it seems that improvements are modest.
Maybe slightly more aggressive suspension adjustments, 200 lb weight reduction, and a few extra ponies??
The premium ($140k?) is hefty.
I'm skeptical it'll be an outrageously more car the base GTR.
Only time will tell.
Would be interesting to see the two trims go head-on.

Don't think a base 997 could compete.
997 (and 996) base trims have never really been much of a performance bargain imo.

I think it's a valid comparo, if you're comparing 'the best of, performance-wise' what each manufacturer has to offer,
road-legal, right now, money no object.
The R35 would still trounce competitors several times the cost.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

With Chevy, the Z06 would probably be more comparable to the GTR in price-range and power/weight ratio.
The base 40k-something vette (closest to something the average man could afford) wouldn't stand a chance.

With Dodge, IIRC, for the 09's, the 90k ACR's were already the cheapest Viper.
Dodge - 2009 Viper - Sports Car, Roadster, Sports Coupe

Reading about the R35 V-spec, it seems that improvements are modest.
Maybe slightly more aggressive suspension adjustments, 200 lb weight reduction, and a few extra ponies??
The premium ($140k?) is hefty.
I'm skeptical it'll be an outrageously more car the base GTR.
Only time will tell.
Would be interesting to see the two trims go head-on.

Don't think a base 997 could compete.
997 (and 996) base trims have never really been much of a performance bargain imo.

I think it's a valid comparo, if you're comparing 'the best of, performance-wise' what each manufacturer has to offer,
road-legal, right now, money no object.
The R35 would still trounce competitors several times the cost.

well I guess I stand corrected on the Viper pricing wise.

I would probably agree with you, on the Z06 being the proper car to pit against the GTR.

I can see your final conclusion for the comparo, but still its funny that GM had to throw their top of the line Vette up against it,rather than the Z06. Especially since the ZR1 has a higher entry price wise.

As for the mention of the base Porsches, it all has to do with the overpricing. Sure the GT2 might be the proper car to compare to the GTR performance wise but again like the ZR1 is way over the purchase price of a GTR. That is fail for those manufacturers and a win for Nissan.

Though like everyone in the Automotive world has admitted ,regardless of if they like how it looks. The GTR has turned the Automotive world on its head price/performance wise.

Its an Amazing piece of Automotive ingenuity, cost wise and performance wise.

[SuicidnS13]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

well I guess I stand corrected on the Viper pricing wise.

I would probably agree with you, on the Z06 being the proper car to pit against the GTR.

I can see your final conclusion for the comparo, but still its funny that GM had to throw their top of the line Vette up against it,rather than the Z06. Especially since the ZR1 has a higher entry price wise.

As for the mention of the base Porsches, it all has to do with the overpricing. Sure the GT2 might be the proper car to compare to the GTR performance wise but again like the ZR1 is way over the purchase price of a GTR. That is fail for those manufacturers and a win for Nissan.

Though like everyone in the Automotive world has admitted ,regardless of if they like how it looks. The GTR has turned the Automotive world on its head price/performance wise.

Its an Amazing piece of Automotive ingenuity, cost wise and performance wise.

Have you walked into a nissan dealership and actually priced out a GTR? OTD its going to cost as much as a zr1(105+k) And in no way is a GTR an entry level car. They built the GTR to play with the bigboys. And it can definately. But IMO they failed buy giving it the crappy ass glass twin clutch tranny. Plus the maintenance costs on a GTR are 5x the cost of either of the cars you are comparing it too. Id take the zr1 over any of the listed cars just due to price per value. The GTR has waaaay too many limitations for a person who really enjoys to DRIVE their cars. Especially people who mod their cars.

Hell if nissan gave us a 6spd getrag transmission it would drop over $15k of the price alone of the vehicle. Also take off another $4,000 in maintenance costs just in the first 2 years of owning the damn car. Hell nissan is ripping people off all day on warranty issues now too. Give it a 6spd and Id pick one up in a heart beat. Than it would also be fair to compare it to a zo6(budget track car IMO). IMO nissan built a supercar at a budget price. But owning the car will cost as much as the other supercars it was made to compete against. (Except for the dodge viper and the corvette Zr1/zo6)

[illvialuver]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I would tend to agree though it still comes back to one sticking point. The ZR1 is by no means the average mans Corvette i.e. not entry level VS the GTR being the entry level version of the GTR. Like the article has stated and I ask how would the ZR1 hold up against a V spec or LM spec?

For that matter the GT2 itself is again not a entry level 911. Rather it being the higher up the ladder.

The same could be said for the ACR Viper. Its not your entry level Viper.

Until the manufacturers are willing to play fair . I am calling both GM and Porsche out on this, bring out out your entry level Corvette and 911 and see how they stack up against a GTR.

With that said the ZR1 is amazing the ACR Viper is amazing and the GT2 is amazing. In the end Nissan wins at price point. More car less money.

This was my argument from the start when people bitch and moan about the vette being better. When it is not, the zr1 is barely better. And that is the 3rd level up vette, being the it is the stock vette , the z06 and then the zr1.

[ronmcdon]

this isn't about which car is better,
somehow more involving,
criminal dealer mark-ups,
the technical controversies of either car.
so-on & so-forth, etc.

it's just a comparo of Nurburgring lap times w/ the same driver.

[VNG704]

The viper shouldn't even be compared being as they had their team there (or so the grapevine says) to have the car prepped specifically for the track. Nonsense.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by VNG704

The viper shouldn't even be compared being as they had their team there (or so the grapevine says) to have the car prepped specifically for the track. Nonsense.

I'm certain most manufacturers do this.
Nissan did it with their GTRs.
Porsche, GM, at least.
good Ring times are good publicity.

[GSXRJJordan]

I'm a fan of the GTR ~ like Dave said, they really did turn the performance world on it's head, showing that heavy cars with mid-level displacement really can compete.

The GTR is more in the ZR1's price range than the Z06's, but you're right, the Z06 should be the competitor there ~ Z06 vette, Viper, and GTR. Porsche, Ferrari, and Lambo can sit out since they don't make anything worth a damn below $100k.

Suicidn has a good point, although it's a bit dated. Nissan quickly changed the launch control setup after they started having problems, and have now changed it again, and are covering all warranty claims. A 6spd manual was never in the design, they're too into the tech.

And yeah, the thing about the Viper ACR is it actually has a lot of adjustment available in factory form, so I can't knock the Mopar guys for trying to get the most out of it. I'm sure when your only adjustment is tire pressure *cough, Corvette* you're out there fiddling with that shit all day too.