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TurDz · 10-12-2003, 05:54 AM

Most cars have a metal frame that surrounds the window, acts like a guide.

My S14 is the first car I've been in that doesn't have that. When I realized it the first time, I remember seeing a video I d/led with a Porsche GT3 w/o it either.

Does anyone know why the doors are designed like this? thanks.

gsu240 · 10-12-2003, 11:42 AM

i think it looks better, sportier look.

my moms caddy is like that too

F3600 · 10-12-2003, 12:46 PM

s13 are like that too..

einherjar · 10-12-2003, 01:07 PM

Edited by Jeff240sx:
I don't know about you, but I've got nearly $10k into my car, and people don't need to know how to break into my car. Even though it doesn't take much thought.. keep things like this off the board.
-Jeff

Raine · 10-13-2003, 05:41 PM

I'm guessing maybe visibility since it's supposed to be a "sports car"? I used to have a 96 Celica and it also had no window frame. One thing I noticed about both cars is that their greenhouse is very low and long. I wonder if that's a factor.

SilviaDriver · 10-13-2003, 05:54 PM

its a lot better i think so. rather than opening and getting out of the door and ur arm ramming into the frame. happens all the freaken time when i get in and out of my brothers GSR.

TurDz · 10-13-2003, 07:54 PM

Hmm, I see. thanks for the repiles. But I think I put this on the technical forum to try to get responses on whether or not it's for some kind of frame strength design or if it's just for looks/appeal.

93veilside240sx · 10-13-2003, 08:30 PM

i'm pretty sure its just for looks...most sports cars are like that. i had a 90 celica that was like that. i don't see how it help frame strength being that its lacking part of it

thx247 · 10-13-2003, 08:34 PM

its just for looks. There is little strength in having a frame.

96SEChick · 10-13-2003, 08:58 PM

I think it could have something to do with a weight issue as well. If you put that frame around the window, it will put more weight on the door hinges. Every little bit helps on a 2-door - the doors like to sag because they're so heavy and long.

TurDz · 10-14-2003, 01:58 AM

thanks. Yeah, I was thinking that MAYBE Nissan engineers wanted as little weight as possible around the top area. This lowers the centroid or center of gravity.

But then again...Nissan doesn't always appeal to me as a company with attention to detail. *ahem* rattles, interior quality...paint.

but they still build damn nice sports cars.

10-12-2003, 05:54 AM	#1
TurDz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why do the S14s have no door window frame? Most cars have a metal frame that surrounds the window, acts like a guide. My S14 is the first car I've been in that doesn't have that. When I realized it the first time, I remember seeing a video I d/led with a Porsche GT3 w/o it either. Does anyone know why the doors are designed like this? thanks.

10-12-2003, 11:42 AM	#2
gsu240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: GA Age: 43 Posts: 409 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i think it looks better, sportier look. my moms caddy is like that too __________________ A one night stand will last until morning, syphilis will last a lifetime.

10-12-2003, 01:07 PM	#4
einherjar Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ontario Posts: 179 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Edited by Jeff240sx: I don't know about you, but I've got nearly $10k into my car, and people don't need to know how to break into my car. Even though it doesn't take much thought.. keep things like this off the board. -Jeff Last edited by Jeff240sx; 10-12-2003 at 02:29 PM..

10-13-2003, 05:41 PM	#5
Raine Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 355 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm guessing maybe visibility since it's supposed to be a "sports car"? I used to have a 96 Celica and it also had no window frame. One thing I noticed about both cars is that their greenhouse is very low and long. I wonder if that's a factor. __________________ - Raine

10-13-2003, 08:58 PM	#10
96SEChick Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Broken Arrow, OK Age: 48 Posts: 1,814 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think it could have something to do with a weight issue as well. If you put that frame around the window, it will put more weight on the door hinges. Every little bit helps on a 2-door - the doors like to sag because they're so heavy and long. __________________ Lauren '91 300ZX TT Ultra Red 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JUN flywheel, ACT clutch, Energy Suspension Bushings, Tokico Blues - dyno'ed 295hp/306tq '94 300ZX TT Black Emerald Pearl 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JWT ECU w/ Stillen chip, Stillen exhaust, Tokico Blues, Eibach ProKits, 18" Enkei RP-01 wheels - dyno'ed 333hp/385tq '00 WS6 Trans Am Bright Red 6-speedFOR SALE - only 29k miles, stock, fully loaded, only $23,999 (NADA $26300) Green Country Motorsports Northeastern Oklahoma SCCA

10-12-2003, 12:46 PM	#3
F3600 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 364 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	s13 are like that too..

10-13-2003, 05:54 PM	#6
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	its a lot better i think so. rather than opening and getting out of the door and ur arm ramming into the frame. happens all the freaken time when i get in and out of my brothers GSR.

10-13-2003, 07:54 PM	#7
TurDz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmm, I see. thanks for the repiles. But I think I put this on the technical forum to try to get responses on whether or not it's for some kind of frame strength design or if it's just for looks/appeal.

10-13-2003, 08:30 PM	#8
93veilside240sx Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denver, North Carolina Age: 41 Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i'm pretty sure its just for looks...most sports cars are like that. i had a 90 celica that was like that. i don't see how it help frame strength being that its lacking part of it

10-13-2003, 08:34 PM	#9
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	its just for looks. There is little strength in having a frame.

10-14-2003, 01:58 AM	#11
TurDz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks. Yeah, I was thinking that MAYBE Nissan engineers wanted as little weight as possible around the top area. This lowers the centroid or center of gravity. But then again...Nissan doesn't always appeal to me as a company with attention to detail. ahem rattles, interior quality...paint. but they still build damn nice sports cars.