PBM Comps NOW LOW AT ALL WTF?! - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 02:13 AM

UPDATE: i removed BOTH collars and added about 1 turn of preload this morning on each front coilover and i am no where near how i was with my stance gr+ pro (pictured below on my red coupe) im at 0 camber and i dont even rub. yes, no rubbing at all. i thought PBMs had "FAMOUS Super low ride height ability" as quoted straight off their site.

tons of preload to where i need frim grip with 2 hands and the wheel off to turn the spring
both collars removed
completely maxed out
0 fucking camber
not even covering or touching tire.
and i can drive with no rubbing issues. my sidewalls should be demolished by now
Before it settled:

After it settled:

when i had both collars on, 0 preload, maxed out low. nasty gap:

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i have pbm comp coils, maxed out fronts, collars still there, and im not even touching tire. theres at least half an inch of wheel gap still. i thought PBMs were supposed to go suuuuper low without removing collars.

specs:
pbm comp coils. 10k front spring rate. 0 preload. maxed out. 2 collars on.
17x9.5 +15 battles on 205/40R17.
0 camber & 0.9 toe from running stock wheels

wtf is going on?

i had stance gr+ pro with 1 collar removed, same wheel and tire size, except +12 offset and they went alot lower:

PureRush · 03-23-2013, 02:15 AM

Flip the lower bracket bro

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PureRush

Flip the lower bracket bro

these are the new comp models. the lower bracket has negative camber built in. if i flip it it will become positive.

flipping the lower bracket was for the older models i believe.

VENICE_DRIFT · 03-23-2013, 02:29 AM

Really I'm tucking 18s in the front with PBM comps on my s14 and my s13 has the old comps and I'm half way down the tire with a 205/45/17 on a 9" no collars removed?

om3ga · 03-23-2013, 02:32 AM

Any preload?

bladetech8 · 03-23-2013, 02:33 AM

^ I know that guy....

brian310 · 03-23-2013, 02:38 AM

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coty_garcia · 03-26-2013, 12:23 PM

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VENICE_DRIFT · 03-23-2013, 02:53 AM

Just a little preload maybe one half turn of the collar

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by VENICE_DRIFT

Really I'm tucking 18s in the front with PBM comps on my s14 and my s13 has the old comps and I'm half way down the tire with a 205/45/17 on a 9" no collars removed?

Yes really. I'm in disbelief.

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Originally Posted by om3ga

Any preload?

Already stated. 0 preload.

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Originally Posted by brian310

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Originally Posted by VENICE_DRIFT

Just a little preload maybe one half turn of the collar

I don't feel that will compensate for almost over a half inch of gap.

VENICE_DRIFT · 03-23-2013, 03:23 AM

Ill take pics tomorrow if you don't believe me and I just realized you don't have camber
Camber makes it LOOK like your cars lower because it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk

*Wake* · 03-23-2013, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by om3ga

Any preload?

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Originally Posted by bladetech8

^ I know that guy....

I know both those guys^^

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Originally Posted by VENICE_DRIFT

Ill take pics tomorrow if you don't believe me and I just realized you don't have camber
Camber makes it LOOK like your cars lower because it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk

uh what?
"it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk"
Do you know what direction is in and what is out? and what a fender is? and what camber is?

tengo240 · 03-23-2013, 08:57 AM

your doing something wrong , im on tein winding masters and have 18's ,im tucking rim in the front,preload is your friend

i messed up trying to post this so sorry guys if it shows up 3 times

TheRealSy90 · 03-23-2013, 03:42 AM

Should have got Fortune Auto.

KendallH · 03-23-2013, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Should have got Fortune Auto.

My FA's go barely just this low with one collar removed and the bracket flipped

MidnightKouki · 03-23-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KendallH

My FA's go barely just this low with one collar removed and the bracket flipped

If it's a problem i'd go for the swift springs. my FA's w/swifts are almost tucking rim on 18's and i no joke have almost 2 inches of thread left between collars. all collars still installed

delado · 03-23-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Should have got Fortune Auto.

Sorry but FA is terrible at going low specially in the front.

TheRealSy90 · 03-23-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by delado

Sorry but FA is terrible at going low specially in the front.

Really? This is with tall ass FA 12k springs.

xoxide · 03-23-2013, 04:40 PM

^Just because your poorly fitting lip touches the ground doesnt mean you're low. haha

I will vouch (like always) for Fortune products though. Im about 3/4 inch away from tucking 17's up front and still have thread left on the coil to go lower. All collars still in tact, mounts upright.

On my kouki, I have fortune gen 3's, and they are maxed on 18's im about an inch away from tucking wheel up front, collars in tact and mounts upright..

I dont think Fortune's have a problem going low, and I have never heard someone complain about PBM's not going low. Very odd to say the least.

theStig880 · 03-23-2013, 05:16 PM

Man that's really weird. I have the exact same coils, PBM Comps, and a similar tire size, 215-40-17 on a 9.5, and I'm waaaayyy lower than your pics. I'm tucking the front tires by half an inch and I still have another inch I could go down. Weird stuff man

ZX88 · 03-23-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Really? This is with tall ass FA 12k springs.

you also stated you cut your front springs in the FA thread...

zooopreme · 03-23-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by duballstar37

1. Why does everyone want to be slammed these days? Whatever happened to functionality?

You must be new to the S-Chassis community. You don't need to have a completely functional car to drift. There are ways to remedy the geometry that comes with slamming your car. It will limit your skill progression if you are trying to become a professional though.

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Originally Posted by Beas

functionality for what? off-roading? look at matt powers' first year in formula drift. car was on the ground competing at the highest level.

Nut hugging a little too much here. Is Power's car still that low and on PBM coilovers at the "highest level" (whatever that means)? ...exactly.

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Originally Posted by ZX88

you also stated you cut your front springs in the FA thread...

It was for the rears. Not the fronts. Still stupid though.

yzrider450f · 03-23-2013, 07:43 PM

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Really? This is with tall ass FA 12k springs.

please, please do something with that fender

tengo240 · 03-23-2013, 09:03 AM

and by looking at those pbm pics it looks even if you do flip the brackets it will be the same, aside from the camber obviously ,but the bracket is flat top and bottom.

tengo240 · 03-23-2013, 09:09 AM

and lastly why wouldnt you have just removed the other two collars when they were off the car? even if your not slamming it you dont need them ...... but why buy pbm coilovers if your not gonna slam it .you bought "high end" coilovers for there performance asspects?

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tengo240

and lastly why wouldnt you have just removed the other two collars when they were off the car? even if your not slamming it you dont need them ...... but why buy pbm coilovers if your not gonna slam it .you bought "high end" coilovers for there performance asspects?

because i was running stock up til now. i was going to remove them anyway when i got wheels. im just surprised this is the "FAMOUS super low ride height ability" that PBM says on their site.

and yes i bought these coils for the its height capabilities and for drift.

ZX88 · 03-23-2013, 09:29 AM

maybe you have higher spring rates in the front than you should. 12k would be a longer spring than 10k right?

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ZX88

maybe you have higher spring rates in the front than you should. 12k would be a longer spring than 10k right?

maybe? but i bought them brand new from Pbm. they should have come with 10kg/8kg. theyre 180mm in length so thats already pretty short.

Touge_Monster · 03-23-2013, 12:19 PM

I would contact them about this. They have pretty awesome customer service and I'm sure would be willing to help out

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Touge_Monster

I would contact them about this. They have pretty awesome customer service and I'm sure would be willing to help out

yea i emailed them. just waiting on a response. but really though, what could it be?

03-23-2013, 02:13 AM	#1
jeremyuhh Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: earth Posts: 1,419 Trader Rating: (51) Feedback Score: 51 reviews	PBM Comps NOT LOW AT ALL WTF?! UPDATE: i removed BOTH collars and added about 1 turn of preload this morning on each front coilover and i am no where near how i was with my stance gr+ pro (pictured below on my red coupe) im at 0 camber and i dont even rub. yes, no rubbing at all. i thought PBMs had "FAMOUS Super low ride height ability" as quoted straight off their site. tons of preload to where i need frim grip with 2 hands and the wheel off to turn the spring both collars removed completely maxed out 0 fucking camber not even covering or touching tire. and i can drive with no rubbing issues. my sidewalls should be demolished by now Before it settled: After it settled: when i had both collars on, 0 preload, maxed out low. nasty gap: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i have pbm comp coils, maxed out fronts, collars still there, and im not even touching tire. theres at least half an inch of wheel gap still. i thought PBMs were supposed to go suuuuper low without removing collars. specs: pbm comp coils. 10k front spring rate. 0 preload. maxed out. 2 collars on. 17x9.5 +15 battles on 205/40R17. 0 camber & 0.9 toe from running stock wheels wtf is going on? i had stance gr+ pro with 1 collar removed, same wheel and tire size, except +12 offset and they went alot lower: Last edited by jeremyuhh; 03-25-2013 at 02:25 AM..

03-23-2013, 02:38 AM	#7
brian310 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Cypress Posts: 1,028 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	.............................. __________________ tumblr

03-23-2013, 02:15 AM	#2
PureRush Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Orange County Posts: 893 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Flip the lower bracket bro

03-23-2013, 02:29 AM	#4
VENICE_DRIFT Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: LAS VEGAS Posts: 674 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Really I'm tucking 18s in the front with PBM comps on my s14 and my s13 has the old comps and I'm half way down the tire with a 205/45/17 on a 9" no collars removed?

03-23-2013, 02:32 AM	#5
om3ga Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Up and Down! California Posts: 878 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Any preload?

03-23-2013, 02:33 AM	#6
bladetech8 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Southern California (LA/OC) Posts: 828 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	^ I know that guy....

03-23-2013, 02:53 AM	#9
VENICE_DRIFT Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: LAS VEGAS Posts: 674 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Just a little preload maybe one half turn of the collar

03-23-2013, 03:23 AM	#11
VENICE_DRIFT Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: LAS VEGAS Posts: 674 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Ill take pics tomorrow if you don't believe me and I just realized you don't have camber Camber makes it LOOK like your cars lower because it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk

03-23-2013, 08:57 AM	#13
tengo240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lancaster ,pa Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	your doing something wrong , im on tein winding masters and have 18's ,im tucking rim in the front,preload is your friend i messed up trying to post this so sorry guys if it shows up 3 times

03-23-2013, 04:40 PM	#19
xoxide Post Whore! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 2,807 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	^Just because your poorly fitting lip touches the ground doesnt mean you're low. haha I will vouch (like always) for Fortune products though. Im about 3/4 inch away from tucking 17's up front and still have thread left on the coil to go lower. All collars still in tact, mounts upright. On my kouki, I have fortune gen 3's, and they are maxed on 18's im about an inch away from tucking wheel up front, collars in tact and mounts upright.. I dont think Fortune's have a problem going low, and I have never heard someone complain about PBM's not going low. Very odd to say the least.

03-23-2013, 05:16 PM	#20
theStig880 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wilson, NC Age: 29 Posts: 340 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Man that's really weird. I have the exact same coils, PBM Comps, and a similar tire size, 215-40-17 on a 9.5, and I'm waaaayyy lower than your pics. I'm tucking the front tires by half an inch and I still have another inch I could go down. Weird stuff man

03-23-2013, 09:03 AM	#24
tengo240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lancaster ,pa Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	and by looking at those pbm pics it looks even if you do flip the brackets it will be the same, aside from the camber obviously ,but the bracket is flat top and bottom.

03-23-2013, 09:09 AM	#25
tengo240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lancaster ,pa Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	and lastly why wouldnt you have just removed the other two collars when they were off the car? even if your not slamming it you dont need them ...... but why buy pbm coilovers if your not gonna slam it .you bought "high end" coilovers for there performance asspects?

03-23-2013, 09:29 AM	#27
ZX88 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ATX Age: 35 Posts: 2,946 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	maybe you have higher spring rates in the front than you should. 12k would be a longer spring than 10k right?