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DWINK · 11-12-2013, 07:53 PM

Hey guys. I'm looking to do an engine swap for my 1990 Nissan 240sx hatchback and I'm just not sure which one would be better. I'm gonna be using it mostly for drifting. I would like to eventually tune it to 400+ horsepower in the future. Which one do you think is better as far as performance, cost, reliability, and difficulty of swap? Thanks everybody!! =D

*brndck* · 11-12-2013, 08:01 PM

Neither.

Learn to drift on a low power setup, then increase power according to your skill level.

NAIRB · 11-12-2013, 08:02 PM

Google is your friend. Zilvia is not.

guitaraholic · 11-17-2013, 03:54 AM

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Google is your friend. Zilvia is not.

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THIS!

Granted, there are a lot of good guys on this forum. However, I am starting to believe there is an ever growing population of smarta$$es and people with bad attitudes. The S13 has turned into the Civic of the Nissan world. I'm about this close to selling my Kouki, because eventually the S13 owners (not all of them, just the cheap ones that throw stickers and cheap body kits on) will be able to afford the S14's and esp the Koukis, and it's all downhill from there.

Hoffman5982 · 11-12-2013, 08:40 PM

I agree with learning with low power. As far as which SR is better, I personally have to go with the notchtop. Bigger turbo and the VCT gives you a much better power band, especially in the bottom end where it needs everything it can get. The downside is also the VCT, as it is notorious for going out and causing a rattle. I've never personally had that problem with either of my notchtops over the 3 years I've had them.

TheRealSy90 · 11-12-2013, 09:12 PM

Stock for stock, s14. But with plans for modding there is no reason not to go with the s13 since it has the larger ported cylinder head right off the bat and no vct to worry about.

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fatduece · 11-16-2013, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Stock for stock, s14. But with plans for modding there is no reason not to go with the s13 since it has the larger ported cylinder head right off the bat and no vct to worry about.

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Can anybody confirm? This is the first time I am hearing it (not claiming to be an expert)

Why is everybody whining about vtc failure? Just buy a brand new vtc set up and youll be golden. That and Jwt makes vtc cams. Youll have a pretty sweet power band compared to an s13sr.

GarageMaks14 · 11-16-2013, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Stock for stock, s14. But with plans for modding there is no reason not to go with the s13 since it has the larger ported cylinder head right off the bat and no vct to worry about.

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it's been years but for real what is up with that ugly "under construction" tape on your fender.

haha you trying to by funny and broke but you know what just leave it off

jsu1012 · 11-13-2013, 08:45 AM

Does this need its own thread in the chat section? I thought we had an ask questions thread and.. an entire tech section.

zerodameaon · 11-13-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jsu1012

Does this need its own thread in the chat section? I thought we had an ask questions thread and.. an entire tech section.

We do, its just incredibly hard to make it out of the chat section, takes years of practice and a lot of specific Zilvia knowledge to search and or make it to the correct sub forum.

Drift_FX · 11-13-2013, 08:52 AM

like stated above, if you plan to leave it stockish the s14 motor is better, if you plan to heavily modify it the s13 motor is better..

DRFTSAINT · 11-14-2013, 07:41 AM

Neither, you're 19... Sell the car or use it to transport you to a place that offers a higher education and learn that there is more to life than a SR-swap and drifting. Once you have paid some dues and make more than $10/hr, look into having a toy or weekend warrior car. But if you insist, go with a S13 SR there a fewer things to go wrong and it costs less to acquire one.

Matej · 11-14-2013, 11:01 AM

The S13 SR is prettier because it does not have the ugly bulge on the front or the goofy intake manifold.
Though the S13 motor with an S13.4 valve cover is most appealing.

GarageMaks14 · 11-16-2013, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Matej

The S13 SR is prettier because it does not have the ugly bulge on the front or the goofy intake manifold.
Though the S13 motor with an S13.4 valve cover is most appealing.

subtle i think s14 motor is ugly because i can't afford is post

:kansas:

zerodameaon · 11-17-2013, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by guitaraholic

I'm about this close to selling my Kouki, because eventually the S13 owners (not all of them, just the cheap ones that throw stickers and cheap body kits on) will be able to afford the S14's and esp the Koukis, and it's all downhill from there.

They can already afford them, case in point:

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subtle i think s14 motor is ugly because i can't afford is post

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guitaraholic · 11-17-2013, 05:46 AM

I believe he was just referring to the engine, as the S14 has the notch top. To me the engine looks fine. I have an S14 Sr20det in mine,, actually it's off a 98,, so the engine and car years match.

I'm glad I scooped up the car when I did,, picked it up for $1,500, with one owner, guy was really sad to see it go. I've had it now for coming on 7 years now (didn't realize I've had it that long).

To add to the thread, I would say, I would go with the S14 engine, as it is newer, probably has less miles, and the VTC will help with midrange torque. I'm going to be putting some BC264s in there when I get back stateside in a few months (I've had them for over a year and a half now,, just never in the states to install them), and they are set up for VTC. I'm thinking the phasing of the cam should help pick up some of the torque lost from the high lift/duration.

S14Serge · 11-16-2013, 05:50 AM

I have both, an s13 sr blacktop(type-X) and an s14 zenki notchtop. The notchback had a case of the vtc rattle. I had to change out the vtc sprocket and those suckers are close to $300 new! I luckliy found a used good working condition sprocket but yeah factor in the replacement cost of the sprocket and sometimes the vtc soleniod. The S13 sr on the other hand has been much easier to deal with for sure.

zerodameaon · 11-17-2013, 01:36 PM

He was referring to the engine in that post but look at his name, GarageMaks14, and the way he has been acting since he got on Zilvia.

11-12-2013, 07:53 PM	#1
DWINK Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Wisconsin Age: 29 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	s13 sr20det vs s14 sr20det swap Hey guys. I'm looking to do an engine swap for my 1990 Nissan 240sx hatchback and I'm just not sure which one would be better. I'm gonna be using it mostly for drifting. I would like to eventually tune it to 400+ horsepower in the future. Which one do you think is better as far as performance, cost, reliability, and difficulty of swap? Thanks everybody!! =D

11-12-2013, 08:40 PM	#5
Hoffman5982 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Definitely NOT FL.... Age: 32 Posts: 2,504 Trader Rating: (25) Feedback Score: 25 reviews	I agree with learning with low power. As far as which SR is better, I personally have to go with the notchtop. Bigger turbo and the VCT gives you a much better power band, especially in the bottom end where it needs everything it can get. The downside is also the VCT, as it is notorious for going out and causing a rattle. I've never personally had that problem with either of my notchtops over the 3 years I've had them. __________________

11-13-2013, 08:45 AM	#9
jsu1012 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oklahoma Age: 38 Posts: 1,116 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Does this need its own thread in the chat section? I thought we had an ask questions thread and.. an entire tech section. __________________ @streetstyle_jay

11-16-2013, 05:50 AM	#17
S14Serge Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 337 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I have both, an s13 sr blacktop(type-X) and an s14 zenki notchtop. The notchback had a case of the vtc rattle. I had to change out the vtc sprocket and those suckers are close to $300 new! I luckliy found a used good working condition sprocket but yeah factor in the replacement cost of the sprocket and sometimes the vtc soleniod. The S13 sr on the other hand has been much easier to deal with for sure. __________________

11-12-2013, 08:02 PM	#3
NAIRB Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: providence Age: 32 Posts: 112 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Google is your friend. Zilvia is not.

11-13-2013, 08:52 AM	#11
Drift_FX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South NJ Posts: 390 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	like stated above, if you plan to leave it stockish the s14 motor is better, if you plan to heavily modify it the s13 motor is better..

11-14-2013, 07:41 AM	#12
DRFTSAINT Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Broken Arrow, Ok Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Neither, you're 19... Sell the car or use it to transport you to a place that offers a higher education and learn that there is more to life than a SR-swap and drifting. Once you have paid some dues and make more than $10/hr, look into having a toy or weekend warrior car. But if you insist, go with a S13 SR there a fewer things to go wrong and it costs less to acquire one.

11-14-2013, 11:01 AM	#13
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	The S13 SR is prettier because it does not have the ugly bulge on the front or the goofy intake manifold. Though the S13 motor with an S13.4 valve cover is most appealing.

11-17-2013, 05:46 AM	#16
guitaraholic Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Spanish Fort, AL Posts: 430 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I believe he was just referring to the engine, as the S14 has the notch top. To me the engine looks fine. I have an S14 Sr20det in mine,, actually it's off a 98,, so the engine and car years match. I'm glad I scooped up the car when I did,, picked it up for $1,500, with one owner, guy was really sad to see it go. I've had it now for coming on 7 years now (didn't realize I've had it that long). To add to the thread, I would say, I would go with the S14 engine, as it is newer, probably has less miles, and the VTC will help with midrange torque. I'm going to be putting some BC264s in there when I get back stateside in a few months (I've had them for over a year and a half now,, just never in the states to install them), and they are set up for VTC. I'm thinking the phasing of the cam should help pick up some of the torque lost from the high lift/duration.